From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #277 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 28 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 277 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Barangrill [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Barangrill [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Barangrill [Em ] Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... [Benedicte Nielsen ] Tangled up in "Blue" [Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Em ] Re: Tangled up in "Blue" [Michael Flaherty ] Tangled Up In Blue [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Tangled Up In Blue [Em ] New Joni interview ["Les Irvin" ] Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] RE: Barangrill ["Hell" ] Re: New Joni interview [Scott Price ] Re: New Joni interview ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: New Joni interview [Chris Marshall ] Re: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... [Chris Marshall ] Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Bob Muller ] Re: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. [Nuriel Tobias ] T'Log ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Michael Paz ] Re: Barangrill [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: new Joni interview [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Barangrill [Nuriel Tobias ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:49:15 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Barangrill Sorry to divert you all away from Cherokee Louise but something is bugging me. One of my favourite albums is For The Roses. I have always been baffled by the title of the track, Barangrill. I've never really understood what that means though, I have stuck with a guess all these years. My best guess is that it is a contraction of the words, Bar and grill. I've never seen that contraction before or since. Is this an Americanism that isn't used anywhere else or is it Joni's own cutesy language? Or does it mean something else entirely? Surely the contraction would be Bar 'n' Grill, no? "Hey, where's barangrill?" - Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 08:03:32 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Barangrill It's only usage is in this song. Like Siquomb and Sisotowbell, it is part of Joni's unique vocabulary. Bob NP: Natalie Merchant on WXYC - Joseph's show - sounds good J! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Maybe Barangrill is a memory of a beach bar somewhere, that she (Joni) keeps trying to get back to. In Coconut Grove, or similar? did she spend some time there? I'm just tossing out the ideas that came to mind, Mark, when I read your post. I don't know any of this to be the case. Em - --- Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Sorry to divert you all away from Cherokee Louise but something is > bugging me. One of my favourite albums is For The Roses. I have > always > been baffled by the title of the track, Barangrill. I've never really > > understood what that means though, I have stuck with a guess all > these > years. My best guess is that it is a contraction of the words, Bar > and > grill. I've never seen that contraction before or since. Is this an > Americanism that isn't used anywhere else or is it Joni's own cutesy > language? Or does it mean something else entirely? Surely the > contraction would be Bar 'n' Grill, no? > > "Hey, where's barangrill?" - Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Sep 2006 13:55:16 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... Hi, I've been away and am glad you are still discussing Joni's late work! Like Bob, I've played Travelogue again and tried to listen with an open mind. Doesn't the whole discussion boil down to the fact that some of us have prejudices against grand orchestrations? It's like with musicals, many of them are full of great and well-written songs, but he whole musical setting I just find boring and phony and bourgeois and a waste of time. I'ts not because of the size of things, because I don't feel the same way about opera (bourgeois, but not boring). BSN works well for me; and I think that is because these jazz standards are written for that type of setting. As for Tlog, the things I like are the things I like about other JM records: the honest intimacy of her voice, and in terms of the musicians, Wayne Shorter's saxophone which has that intimate feel too - which is somehow enhanced by the way her voice sometimes swings like a saxophone. Another point about what is suitable: doesn't it seem like a bit of a contradiction to anyone that Woodstock, of all songs, is presented in this grand orchestration? I mean, "I'm gonna join a rock'n roll band" Sounds like "Woodstock - The Musical!!"? AM listening to Tlog right now, and of course it's great, great musicians etc. I need to play it more (if only I could skip certain songs). But, well, it's a bit like the discussion of her paintings. Nothing (neither her paintings nor TLog!) has such a unique feel to me as Hejira (the album) does, the guitarplaying and all. It's not that I expect her to keep inventing new tunings (I don't even know what open tunings are) or create a new school of painting that others will try to imitate, but It's just that she is one of the greatest female guitarists, not one of the greatest big band composers, not one of the greatest painters. She's a great artist, so msot things she touches will come out great, but not necessarily world-class. Well I don't know if anyone gets what I am trying to say. I better stop! "Hejira", the song, in the TLog version, is quite beautiful in it's way of being different from the original. But again, it's the saxophone, not the violins! When did JM ever sing anything to us that had the sound of such sugar-pretty violins??? OK enough for today, I just moved and have loads to do. Take care all! Benedicte In another Cambridge UK house NP slouching towards Bethlehem, TLog (hope it stops soon though, and jumps to the Chinese Cafe or Love) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 09:28:26 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... Perhaps in part, but I think that's an oversimplification. One of my favorite records growing up was in my parent's collection - Music from MGM musicals; An American In Paris, Slaughter On Tenth Avenue, Lilli & The Puppets, all of which were heavily orchestrated but I was just blown away by them. When Harry Nilsson came out with "A Touch Of Scmilsson In The Night" I loved it, even though I was in full-blown classic/southern rock mode at the time. Over the last couple of years I've attended several Greenville Symphony events and have really enjoyed seeing and hearing the orchestra. I don't think my dissatisfaction with Tlog has a lot to do with any prejudice against grand orchestrations. As I cited in my re-listening of Cherokee Louise, a portion of it worked but the overpowering of the orchestra took over at the expense of what I think is a tender song. It could have done with a WHOLE lot more swing; as it is, it don't mean a thing. "I Wish I Were In Love Again" comes close. Of course - it's the same case I was making with Cherokee Louise. This mismatching problem also applies to: Otis & Marlena For The Roses Trouble Child Just Like This Train Sex Kills Refuge Of The Roads The Last Time I Saw Richard Borderline With others, Dawntreader being the best example, the orchestration brings out the depth of the song that it's original production did not. The lyrics in the song set the scene for expansive musical colors. The balance of the tracks don't stand out as this kind of mismatch but by the same token the orchestrations don't illuminate anything about them musically or lyrically. They don't fail as badly as the ones listed above but they don't really succeed on any level either. Bob NP: Elvis C, "The Angels Wanna Wear My Red Shoes" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I found that was an overstatement...., but since it was not a political discussion I thought I'd better leave it there. Had it been political I would probably by now have calld you a traitor and a fascist! > >Of course - it's the same case I was making with Cherokee Louise. With Cherokee Louise, I think it's a different thing for me. I find it difficult to relate to any songs or films or whatever about childabuse, I guess its another prejudice of mine. It's so topical these days, and there are so many unaddressed issues... Plus, she is an old woman now, and it feels odd that she is singing about her childhood. I don't know.... This >mismatching problem also applies to: > >Otis & Marlena >For The Roses >Trouble Child >Just Like This Train >Sex Kills >Refuge Of The Roads >The Last Time I Saw Richard >Borderline > I'd take Refuge of the Roads and The Last time I saw Richard off the list because they are among my favourites. Anything that has a male choir on it I'd add to the list, God Must Be a Boogieman would be right on top. >With others, Dawntreader being the best example, the orchestration brings >out the depth of the song that it's original production did not. The >lyrics in the song set the scene for expansive musical colors. > I'll have to listen to that one again. >The balance of the tracks don't stand out as this kind of mismatch but by >the same token the orchestrations don't illuminate anything about them >musically or lyrically. However, the sax is good....! Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:21:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... LOL - yes, I'm sure that many think that's the case. When I originally reviewed T'log back in '02 someone told me that I had an "axe to grind" with Joni. Yes indeed, if only it wasn't so badly buried in the mix. Same goes for the late great Billy Preston's wicked organ riffs in "You Dream Flat Tires". Bob NP: Dave Brubeck, "Blue Rondo a la Turk" (now THIS swings) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Which gives it extra texture and a bit of protein, maybe. Em - --- anon anon wrote: > Does anoyne have any ideas about why Joni said the number "5" > at the > beginning of "Carey"? Is she counting the beat? It seems strange that > > soemone as perfectionist and unspontaneous as joni would allow that > to be on > an album... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Tangled up in "Blue" Stewart.Simon@sunlife.com wrote:Is there a link between this Dylan masterpiece and Joni Mitchell (besides the "Blue" reference)? I was reading something that implied there was but I thought this song was about Dylan's breakup with his wife. Anyone know the details? I've heard that the "Blue" reference intentionally invokes Joni's album, which, considering the subject matter, makes sense. While largly fictionalized, much of Blood on the Tracks is indeed about the breakup of his marriage--nothing is actually "about" Joni. Diehard Dylanites will no doubt have more details, but that's the cliffnote version. :) Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 14:19:55 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Tangled Up In Blue Back in May of 2004 there was an article in The New York Observer titled "That Wild Mercury Sound: Tangled Up In Bob Again" - You have to register and pay $2.95 for the article, which I have not done, but here is a segment of it. Not sure who the author is, but he *thinks* that Dylan did indeed pull the title from Joni's album. Excerpt: "I think the title question is important. It has to do with something I think Mr. Dylan said to me in the course of that 1978 interview: I think he told me that he got the title of the song from a lost weekend he spent listening to Joni Mitchell's classic Blue album, which predated Blood on the Tracks by three years. In effect, Mr. Dylan had been tangled up in Blue before writing '"Tangled Up in Blue.'" And then there's the question of whether, even if he said it, he meant it. I don't know, it makes sense to me: There's a new kind of Dylan songwriting on Blood on the Tracks, one that he's described as a shift from the kind of '"unconscious"' songwriting of the Blonde on Blonde period to the more conscious artistry of '"Tangled Up in Blue," which plays with time schemes and rhyme schemes in a way Joni Mitchell does quite artfully when she doesn't tip over into self-parody. I'm not a big fan of "Blue," the Joni Mitchell song (my all-time Joni Mitchell fave is "Amelia"). Nonetheless, I could see Mr. Dylan getting rapt or wrapped up in Blue. End of excerpt. And so the mystery continues. Bob NP: Beck, "No Complaints" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Tangled Up In Blue makes sense. If its true then its kind of a nice homage to Joni. I never heard this theory before today. But a couple of times before joining this list and getting all "tangled up in Blue" myself, I'd thought of having the words "Tangled Up In Blue" tattoo'ed on my body. Never did it, but almost. So I am stimulated now, by this connection. It all swirls round. Also they must have been running in somewhat similar circles in the mid 70's, as Joni joined Dylan and Co on the earlier portions of the Rolling Thunder tour. I remember reading that he had some Martin D-45's custom made (or some such a thing) and gave them as gifts to some of his tourmates. Wondering if Joni got one of those. Em - --- Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Back in May of 2004 there was an article in The New York Observer > titled > "That Wild Mercury Sound: Tangled Up In Bob Again" - You have to > register > and pay $2.95 for the article, which I have not done, but here is a > segment of it. Not sure who the author is, but he *thinks* that Dylan > did > indeed pull the title from Joni's album. > > Excerpt: > "I think the title question is important. It has to do with something > I > think Mr. Dylan said to me in the course of that 1978 interview: I > think > he told me that he got the title of the song from a lost weekend he > spent > listening to Joni Mitchell's classic Blue album, which predated Blood > on > the Tracks by three years. In effect, Mr. Dylan had been tangled up > in > Blue before writing '"Tangled Up in Blue.'" > > And then there's the question of whether, even if he said it, he > meant it. > I don't know, it makes sense to me: There's a new kind of Dylan > songwriting on Blood on the Tracks, one that he's described as a > shift > from the kind of '"unconscious"' songwriting of the Blonde on Blonde > period to the more conscious artistry of '"Tangled Up in Blue," which > > plays with time schemes and rhyme schemes in a way Joni Mitchell does > > quite artfully when she doesn't tip over into self-parody. I'm not a > big > fan of "Blue," the Joni Mitchell song (my all-time Joni Mitchell fave > is > "Amelia"). Nonetheless, I could see Mr. Dylan getting rapt or wrapped > up > in Blue. > End of excerpt. > And so the mystery continues. > Bob > NP: Beck, "No Complaints" > > > > - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received > this in error, please contact the sender and delete the > material from any computer. 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And hey, thanks for recently posting this 1968 interview: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 As I love early Joni I was enthralled with this one and want to bring it to the attention of whoever hasn't taken the time to read it yet. Bob NP: Eels, "Your Lucky Day In Hell" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I think this comes under the heading of "poetic license". The contraction would normally be Bar 'n' Grill, but I think Joni has written it as she has simply because it sounds more emotive. Keri Hulme, when writing about this kind of thing in the preface to The Bone People describes how she creates new words to give a more emotive feel. The example she uses is about colour, specifically bluegreen. In making it one word, she says it flows off the tongue better than blue-green, which sounds stunted. I don't have my copy available right now to transcribe the exact wording she uses, but it makes sense to me. Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:12:35 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: New Joni interview At 11:37 AM 9/27/2006, Les Irvin wrote: >The theme was the 30th anniversary of the release of Hejira. Damn, dude, you sure know how to make a guy feel old! Has it really been 30 years? The pinnacle album from an unmatched catalog of a single artist. This one does and will stand the test of time. But 30 years??? :-) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:17:53 -0400 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: New Joni interview I was just thinking this..."it will stand the test of time:....but about Court And Spark. I just finished listening to it in it's entirety. I thought...how ahead of her time Joni was...her musicianship...how incredible she really is. While listening this afternoon I did a lot of daydreaming about meeting her someday. I want her to know just how much she and her music has meant to me. In this daydream I would be so cool...calm and not be a bit pushy..just let her know what her music has meant to me...and then just walk away. UNLIKE some people on this list who would just be over the top with her in their approach...like Patti....and THAT woman from N. Little Rock. ;-) Bree >Damn, dude, you sure know how to make a guy feel old! Has it really been 30 >years? > >The pinnacle album from an unmatched catalog of a single artist. This one >does and will stand the test of time. But 30 years??? :-) > >Scott ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:37:53 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: New Joni interview On 27 Sep 2006, at 22:17, Bree Mcdonough wrote: > I was just thinking this..."it will stand the test of time:....but > about Court And Spark. I just finished listening to it in it's > entirety. I thought...how ahead of her time Joni was...her > musicianship...how incredible she really is. It's funny how we all hear things differently: I love much of Court and Spark, but to me it's always been an album that yells "I was made in the 70s" from the rooftops. In contrast, Hejira and DJRD both seem to me to be utterly timeless, and could have been recorded yesterday were it not for the unfashionable status of lyrical, confessional music these days. - --Chris chrisATstryngs.com http://www.stryngs.com/ http://www.myspace.com/stryngs "If you're ever lost, I'll beat the world to finding you" Stryngs, "Bobblehats and Beer" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:45:15 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... On 27 Sep 2006, at 15:21, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > Yes indeed, if only it wasn't so badly buried in the mix. I wish it was buried *more* in the mix But I'm sure people aren't interested in my opinions of Mr. Shorter's semi-random peeping noises throughout TLog. ;) - --Chris chrisATstryngs.com Stryngs - "Love and Other Vices" out now via:- http://www.stryngs.com/ http://www.myspace.com/stryngs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:21:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: New Joni interview Crazy how the past keeps walking out the door and not even saying goodbye. It colors our present images to an extent that allows us to believe it's real. Is it real? No, it isn't. But listening to Hejira...Sometimes it's like throwing away the past and jump into the now, and sometimes it's like throwing away the now and jump into the past. I was 8 years old when Hejira got released, and i was just so good at it back then - i knew exactly how to shove that goofy old past out the door and not look back. Nuri Scott Price wrote: Les Irvin wrote: "The theme was the 30th anniversary of the release of Hejira." Damn, dude, you sure know how to make a guy feel old! Has it really been 30 years? The pinnacle album from an unmatched catalog of a single artist. This one does and will stand the test of time. But 30 years??? :-)" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:35:22 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. I read that 1968 interview... when asked: B: Is there any common theme? and Joni replies... In the early ones, love lost, I met a wandering Australian who really did me in. As a matter of fact he continued to be the theme for a lot of songs that I wrote. It's really difficult to write love found songs, I only have one and a half. I only have one really true love found song, and that's "The Dawn Treader." They are very difficult; they really take a lot of confidence,not only that you are in love, but that the other person is in love with you. Otherwise you are afraid to say all the things that you want to say, for fear of being made. It's a standard thing. You don't want to look foolish and commit yourself to all those things. So I didn't really, at that time, have very much. The way my head was working I didn't have very much to write about. I was sort of relatively contended. and now she has me wondering who that wandering Australian was? anyone know? Rosie in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Does she? I don't hear it. I'm assuming you're talking about the version on Blue. Bob NP: Tony Malone, "Carey/Morning Morgantown" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 28 Sep 2006 00:42:24 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: Cherokee Louise and Woodstock "the musical"... On Sep 27 2006, Chris Marshall wrote: >On 27 Sep 2006, at 15:21, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >> Yes indeed, if only it wasn't so badly buried in the mix. > > I wish it was buried *more* in the mix > >But I'm sure people aren't interested in my opinions of Mr. Shorter's >semi-random peeping noises throughout TLog. ;) > >--Chris No! you can't just say that, you need to explain! I like the sax on Tlog but mainly because I liked it on BSN, and that album has been with my friend for a year now, so in a sense I only like it on TLog because it reminds me of BSN. So what _IS_ your problem with Shorter?? Bene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Me too, Bob. We are probably 5-challenged. That can be tested though. Just ask your wife to say "5" - and if you CAN'T hear it, well then - welcome to the Twilight Zone:) Nuri Bob Muller wrote: the number "5" at the beginning of "Carey"? > Does she? I don't hear it. I'm assuming you're talking about the version on Blue. Bob NP: Tony Malone, "Carey/Morning Morgantown" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. Rosie, I'm not too sure, but - Wasn't there an Australian we talked about several months ago, urggghhh, someone who sold a Joni-item (A hand-written lyric she dedicated to him, i think? a painting?) on Ebay, and he said how very close they were back then? It seems to me like he's the one...I think?...Remember him, guys? Nuri RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: I read that 1968 interview... when asked: B: Is there any common theme? and Joni replies... In the early ones, love lost, I met a wandering Australian who really did me in. As a matter of fact he continued to be the theme for a lot of songs that I wrote. It's really difficult to write love found songs, I only have one and a half. I only have one really true love found song, and that's "The Dawn Treader." They are very difficult; they really take a lot of confidence,not only that you are in love, but that the other person is in love with you. Otherwise you are afraid to say all the things that you want to say, for fear of being made. It's a standard thing. You don't want to look foolish and commit yourself to all those things. So I didn't really, at that time, have very much. The way my head was working I didn't have very much to write about. I was sort of relatively contended. and now she has me wondering who that wandering Australian was? anyone know? Rosie in NJ - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:03:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? - --- anon anon asked: > Does anoyne have any ideas about why Joni said > the number "5" at the > beginning of "Carey"? I dunno . . . maybe because the Beatles had already taken number 9? Count me among those who do not hear this. As a matter of fact, you can count me among those who do not hear much at all. - --Smurf, still looking for the bright red devil in this tourist town . . . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:25:04 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: T'Log I guess its that time of year for me to chime in & say how much I love T'log. Turn off the lights, light a fire, pour your favorite beverage & take a wonderful visual journey through the music... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:46:31 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? I'm 5 challanged Paz > Me too, Bob. We are probably 5-challenged. > That can be tested though. Just ask your wife to say "5" - and if you CAN'T > hear it, well then - welcome to the Twilight Zone:) > > Nuri > Bob Muller wrote: > the number "5" at the > beginning of "Carey"? > > > Does she? I don't hear it. I'm assuming you're > talking about the version on Blue. > > Bob > > NP: Tony Malone, "Carey/Morning Morgantown" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:51:00 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Barangrill When I lived in Detroit there were Bar and Grill's all over the place and we wbnt to them a lot for dinner. Us kids would get hamburgers and such while the big guys got martinis and such. My take is that Joni is equating this whole concept more of as a diner or truck stop as the center image, but then that is why I love her. She conjours up my own images in my heart and in my head.. NP-What's A Sweetheart Like You Doing In A Dump Like This-Dylan > Sorry to divert you all away from Cherokee Louise but something is > bugging me. One of my favourite albums is For The Roses. I have always > been baffled by the title of the track, Barangrill. I've never really > understood what that means though, I have stuck with a guess all these > years. My best guess is that it is a contraction of the words, Bar and > grill. I've never seen that contraction before or since. Is this an > Americanism that isn't used anywhere else or is it Joni's own cutesy > language? Or does it mean something else entirely? Surely the > contraction would be Bar 'n' Grill, no? > > "Hey, where's barangrill?" - Joni Mitchell. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:52:09 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Barangrill Maybe Joni had heard of Baran Restaurant. I don't know how long they've been around, but there are Baran Restaurants in LA and in London, and you know there might be more... Love, Laura Baran Restaurant is turning out traditional Persian cuisine amidst stunning modern dicor. Expect slatted wood, red panels with calligraphy Farsi, elaborate metalwork shaped like branches and marsh grass and an intricate flower-shaped chandelier. Dishes include chicken kebab served with sweet and sour cherry rice, Cornish game hen kebab, broiled whitefish, and for dessert, Persian ice cream and honey-dipped fritters known as bamieh. On Friday and Saturday nights, there is Gypsy flamenco dancing. Open daily for lunch and dinner. Baran Restaurant, 1916 Westwood Blvd., Los Angeles, 310-475-4500. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:05:21 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: new Joni interview A be cool fool wrote: UNLIKE some people on this list who would just be over the top with her in their approach Hi Suave, Over the top, spinning around fast but not letting on... Love, Dradle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Played it several times ... loud. I got nothing. Michael F. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:19:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Levon Helm: house concert in Woodstock, NY every 2 weeks I don't know if I'll make it to JoniFest in 07, but I read in Rolling Stone that might interest some. Levon Helm lives in Woodstock, New York which a side trip from the Full Moon Resort. In the latest Rolling Stone, they say he has a house concert in his barn every 2 weeks. He calls it "The Midnight Ramble". Apparently, his voice is back and he's open for business. He said he runs it from his website and tickets are $100 per person. It's far from a cheap ticket but hey, it's 2 bands then Levon Helm in his own barn. It's like seeing the Margo Timmins in a small night club (which happens all the time and I will always think it's some kind of miracle.) All the best, Jim L. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:11:31 -0500 From: "Snatch N. Grabster" Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Maybe it's take 5? Or maybe it's misheard? I'm on a jazz list, and someone was trying to say that on a 1951 live recording, Bird says "Who needs ya" between songs, when actually what he said was, "Night In Tunisia." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:16:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: [NortheastJonifest] Levon Helm: house concert in Woodstock, NY every 2 weeks I'd spend 100 bucks to see that! My step dad who lives in Saugerties sent me a nyt article about a year ago describing this barn concert... when we were last at full moon & visited my step dad there we were searching for big pink on the way home... & never found it... my step dad said he recently impressed someone younger that he was talking to because he knew that there was some kind of 'pink music house' from days of yore.. lol... >In the latest Rolling Stone, they say he has a house concert in his barn every 2 weeks. He calls it "The Midnight Ramble". Apparently, his voice is back and he's open for business. He said he runs it from his website and tickets are $100 per person. It's far from a cheap ticket but hey, it's 2 bands then Levon Helm in his own barn.< belated happy birthday wishes to all the joni boys ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 23:00:10 -0400 From: Doug Subject: Re: New Joni interview - and an old one. Interesting interview, lots clues to her early songwriting history and some approximate dates of which. I'll pick up a copy of The Citizen on the 8th in case the new interview isn't online. Doug Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: > That's some cool news, Les - I'm excited to read it. I'm glad that others > think the 30th anniversary of the GREATEST ALBUM EVER RECORDED is a worthy > subject of an interview and article. > > And hey, thanks for recently posting this 1968 interview: > http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1455 > > As I love early Joni I was enthralled with this one and want to bring it > to the attention of whoever hasn't taken the time to read it yet. > > Bob > > NP: Eels, "Your Lucky Day In Hell" > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person > or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, > business-confidential and/or privileged material. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you > are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, > dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken > in reliance upon this message is prohibited. 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Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:54:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Why does Joni say "5" on "Carey"? Oh boy - seems like i need to explain what's going on, again. Well - You see, Joni does sing 5 on Carey but ONLY in the "Joni Sings Live From Her Bedroom To You And Only To You" super limited edition of Blue. This super limited edition looks, feels, smells and costs EXACTLY like the ordinary version and is offered to the buyers once and only once the seller recognizes them as true fans or as family relatives. You may not even realize that you own the super limited edition, as i know most of us never did notice. However - Once a year, when your details are sent from the music store's archive to the uncoding lab downtown, Joni is able to plug herself to your stereo and speakers VIA the wiring in the walls of your home STRAIGHT to your cd-player and sing the INTIRE album LIVE to you and ONLY to you from her bedroom. Them lucky ones who exprienced this real-time event, have heard not only 5's - but also 43.7's, 7639.98's, cats chasing birds, dogs chasing cats, African birds nesting, distant thunders, cars crashing into pools, toasters burning, doors slamming, clocks ticking, match boxes shaking, baths and showers running, phones ringing, lawyers laughing, mothers crying, the sci-fi channel, Yoko Ono protesting, persistent coughing, ex-lovers snoring, Paris Hilton doing back vocals and playing the flute, neighbours making love to other neighbours, awkward silences, tracks 35-47, and if you got really lucky you could even hear Myrtle doing dishes in the kitchen while the self-distruct mechanism of the super limited edition started it's countdown and right before your cd-player exploded. However - If you DON'T hear ANYTHING on Carey BUT the damn song ITSELF - take comfort in your BSN album, where, even in the most common versions of the product, you can easily hear Joni singing "That's How High Ham" on Sometimes I'm Happy. So there. Nuri - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Barangrill Sorry Guys, but the song is NOT about someone IN Barngrill but about someone who is moving from a diner to a truck stop and asking waitresses and truck-drivers WHERE'S Barngrill, show me the way TO Barngrill, and so on - so it's pretty obvious this person is NOT in Barngrill yet, has no idea where it is, and does NOT even get there in the end while still wondering WHERE's Barngrill. Nuri Catherine McKay wrote: --- Michael Paz wrote: My take is that > Joni is equating this > whole concept more of as a diner or truck stop as > the center image, but then > that is why I love her. She conjours up my own > images in my heart and in my > head.. > Yup. Sounds like that to me too. One of those places along the highway where you can stop for a meal and to get gas and whatever else. "The guy at the gas pump, he's got a lot of soul He can sing Merry Christmas for you, just like Nat King Cole." One of the things I like about that song is how Joni fits so many words into a small space, but they still trip off her tongue so easily. Barangrill. "Well, some say it's in service They say Humble makes pure." I used to think she was saying, "Well sunset's in service." It made sense to me in its own way. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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