From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #271 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 22 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 271 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: You Wanna Make Videos? Raise 'Em Up Like Sheep ["ron" ] Re: Both sides now [Victor Johnson ] Re: Both sides now [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Both sides now ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Both sides now [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Both sides now [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: Happy Birthday Bob Muller!!! ["Donna Binkley" ] Or we can talk about JMOCD ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] Re: RE : Re: Both sides now [Jerry Notaro ] BSN [Kate ] Re: Both sides now [Michael Flaherty ] Re: BSN [Smurf ] RE : Re: BSN [Joseph Palis ] Re: BSN [Paul In MD ] Re: BSN [Brenda ] Re: Both sides now hatbox [Brenda ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:18:34 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: You Wanna Make Videos? Raise 'Em Up Like Sheep hi nuriel wrote > 1.Probably the very first Joni T'ai Chi video, very relaxing too... > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpp4ZvS0yuw thanks nuriel - i really loved that great way to prepare for a stressfull day - i still have started what i was supposed to finish by monday & i think its gonna bite me today :-) ron np - janis - cry baby ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2006 12:02:06 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Both sides now On Sep 20 2006, Bob.Muller@Fluor.com wrote: >think of the Both Sides Album?> > >In general, I was very disappointed in it, and 6 years later it doesn't >fall on my ears any easier. > >I found the arrangements heavy and schmaltzy, and though I didn't complain >about Joni's "smoky" voice as much as some, I don't feel like she was >really playing to her strengths on this project. It remains my least >favorite of her albums. Otoh, she really enjoyed the project, it kept her >in the game a little longer, and it inspired her to follow through with >Travelogue, which was more creative in terms of its arrangements but >ultimately was also disappointing to me. > >What I REALLY resented about BSN was the marketing; the first release to >come out (the one that we rabid fans were more likely going to get) was >the "hatbox" version; it cost $40 or so, and many copies were damaged in >transit. The bonus lyric cards and mini-paintings hardly justified the >price, and it's certainly not a collector's item now. > >Bob > - -------------------- Wos I'm surprised about this bad review! I accidentally deleted the digest, and can't remember who else said she jsut fufilled a contract with that album. I really enjoyed it (lent it to a damn friend a year ago and he refuses to give it back!). I see the point of some of the arrangements being a bit heavy, but I much prefer them to the ones on Travelogue which are too theatrical to my taste. Somehow, I find that the more conventional and tighter frame on BSN makes her stand out more, on Travelogue you've got weird things going on in the background and male voices coming in from the side. I like the way she sometimes uses her voice almost like a saxophone on BSN, that's something I like on Travelogue as well (on 'Love' for instance); and I like Wayne Shorter's saxophone on BSN. I think it sounds like she puts a lot of emotion and effort into these songs... but it sounds like here is an album I can have for myself : ) ... Benedicte ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:03:32 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: Both sides now > I think it sounds like she puts a lot of emotion and effort into > these songs... but it sounds like here is an album I can have for > myself : ) ... > > Benedicte I actually love this album. I remember being sort of on the fence before seeing her live in 2000 but after seeing her perform these songs I was really able to connect with them. I guess its just the jazz cat in me...I love the standards when they're done well. I agree the hatbox was ill advised. Victor NP: WSB radio ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2006 14:31:31 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: Re: Both sides now On Sep 21 2006, Victor Johnson wrote: > >I actually love this album. Am glad to hear it! > I guess its just the jazz cat in me...I love the standards when they're > done > well. Victor Just my words.....! Benedicte NP BranVan 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Both sides now My objection was the overblown orchestrations. I would have loved Joni on the piano with drums, acoustic bass, guitar, and maybe a horn player. Jerry Benedicte Nielsen wrote: > On Sep 21 2006, Victor Johnson wrote: > >> >>I actually love this album. > > Am glad to hear it! > >> I guess its just the jazz cat in me...I love the standards when they're >> done > well. Victor > > Just my words.....! > > Benedicte > > NP BranVan 2000 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:36:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Both sides now And this was my claim as well. Nothing about this CD says jazz to me. 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Love Tushie >>> 9/20/2006 4:05 PM >>> Happy Birthday Bob....you know how I remember...... Rosie just back from Cocamo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:24:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: Both sides now Maybe mine's a minority opinion, but I llike the Vince Mendoza's orchestrations which I will call Wagnerian. And quite the opposite works for me -- I like that Joni's voice is assisted by string arrangements. For me her voice needed those orchestrations to highlight its wear and tear. Her "A Case of You" from BSN still makes me misty-eyed. But that's just me. Joseph np: Gloria Lynne "Trouble is a Man" "Gerald A. Notaro" a icrit : My objection was the overblown orchestrations. I would have loved Joni on the piano with drums, acoustic bass, guitar, and maybe a horn player. Jerry Benedicte Nielsen wrote: > On Sep 21 2006, Victor Johnson wrote: > >> >>I actually love this album. > > Am glad to hear it! > >> I guess its just the jazz cat in me...I love the standards when they're >> done > well. Victor > > Just my words.....! > > Benedicte > > NP BranVan 2000 - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:33:58 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: Or we can talk about JMOCD You made me smile Patti( and Catherine, too) Come and talk to me Please talk to me Talk to me talk to me Mr. Mystery SO You know - "Neither a borrower nor a lender be" Romeo Romeo talk to me... Ohh, come and talk to me You could talk like a fool I'd listen You could talk like a sage Anyway the best of my mind All goes down on the strings and the page (I' m always talking) Chicken squawking Please talk to me In the forest of the night Oddmund, Norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:59:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: RE : Re: Both sides now > Maybe mine's a minority opinion, but I llike the Vince Mendoza's > orchestrations which I will call Wagnerian. Well I find him bloated and overrated, too. Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 12:48:10 -0600 From: Kate Subject: BSN > think of the Both Sides Album?> I love it. I keep about a dozen of Joni's CDs on my desk as I work at my computer, and have the rest with my CD-player downstairs, but BSN remains on my desk and more often than not it is the one I play. I can't help singing along ... l have never been a big fan of orchestral music, but I love these songs, the way Joni sings them, and when I lay down and close my eyes and listen to the songs turned up loud ... WOW. I am blown away by what I suppose are called the arrangements. She's done a beautiful job here and I find her voice warm and human, as opposed to her more youthful voice, which was beautiful but certainly never warm. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org my journal page ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:43:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Both sides now "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: >My objection was the overblown orchestrations. I would have loved Joni on the piano with drums, acoustic bass, guitar, and maybe a horn player. Me too. In fact, her "jazz" period is my favorite, but I always prefer a smaller group (in rock and classical too). I will agree that it worked live, although I prefered seeing her with a small group in that case as well. Just for the record, it was actually Joni who said she was fulfilling her contract. No new songs. Of course, that doesn't mean she was totally indifferent to the results or that there's anything wrong with enjoying them. Michael F. Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: BSN About BSN, Kate wrote: << She's done a beautiful job here and I find her voice warm and human, as opposed to her more youthful voice, which was beautiful but certainly never warm. >> I never thought of it that way, Kate, but I think you've hit upon one of the features of Joni's more mature voice that I love. Boy, she really could hit those icy altitudes when younger. I remember my mother complaining about "that screeching" when I played young Joni in my bedroom back when Jesus was a boy. --Smurf - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:33:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE : Re: BSN Smurf a icrit : Boy, she really could hit those icy altitudes when younger. I remember my mother complaining about "that screeching" when I played young Joni in my bedroom back when Jesus was a boy. I have been playing late-period Joni lately preferring them to her early days, but two nights ago when I accidentally put a CD that contained Joni's "See You Sometime", I was brought back to the moment when I used to listen to her early stuff. And yes it was a beautiful moment when I let her sing "Where are you now/ Are You in some hotel / Does it have a view?" and hearing it played outside of the sequence of the FTR album, I realized that I have not really 'heard' the song before in a way I am hearing it now apart from the songs before it and after it. Joseph in Chapel Hill np: Darondo "Listen to My Song" - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Riponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expiriences. Cliquez ici. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:13:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul In MD Subject: Re: BSN I like BSN and I love Travelogue. I've enjoyed Joni's voice all through the years but was concerned on Turbulent Indigo and Taming The Tiger as her voice became lower and lower. At times she was struggling to hit the right notes with varying results. If you listen to Sex Kills and Last Chance Lost, it's as if Joni wrote the former in the key of her new lower voice and the latter for her older higher voice. SK sounds fine but I find it uncomfortable when she strains to reach the high notes on LCL. But with BSN and especially Travelogue, her voice had finally settled into the lower register. The orchestra and new interpretations compliment and probably hide any vocal imperfections that may have been apparent if she'd been front and center with a smaller ensemble. In general, I think Joni's done a fine job of matching her music to her current voice -- unlike some artists but that's a whole other thread. It helps that I really like the Mendoza sound -- I hear lush, not overblown. BSN is actually one of my least favorite Joni songs. I think most people who cover it have it all wrong. I find it a bittersweet, somewhat melancholy song written by an old soul. Joni's voice on Clouds seemed too young and fresh. I loved her reinterpretation on BSN the album. The definitive version, for me, is Mabel Mercer's which appeared on Joni Covers 4. As Mabel rasps and scrapes through the song, spilling out her soul in the process, you know she has seen both sides -- and more. Difficult to listen to but, IMHO, perfect delivery for the song. I'm glad we're discussing Joni's later period. I can't wait to hear what Em thinks of Chalk Mark after a proper listen. Paul In MD - -- looking forward to when Joni releases "Not Even On The Radar Screen", completing the trilogy started with "Hits" and "Misses", and reinterprets "Dancing Clown" kate wrote: > > think of the Both Sides Album?> I love it. I keep about a dozen of Joni's CDs on my desk as I work at my computer, and have the rest with my CD-player downstairs, but BSN remains on my desk and more often than not it is the one I play. I can't help singing along ... l have never been a big fan of orchestral music, but I love these songs, the way Joni sings them, and when I lay down and close my eyes and listen to the songs turned up loud ... WOW. I am blown away by what I suppose are called the arrangements. She's done a beautiful job here and I find her voice warm and human, as opposed to her more youthful voice, which was beautiful but certainly never warm. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org my journal page - --------------------------------- Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:41:55 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: BSN Paul In MD wrote: > BSN is actually one of my least favorite Joni songs. I think most people who cover it have it all wrong. I find it a bittersweet, somewhat melancholy song written by an old soul. Joni's voice on Clouds seemed too young and fresh. I loved her reinterpretation on BSN the album. I agree on all counts. It's one of my least favorite songs as well and I've actually sometimes felt that there was something slightly demented about how emotionally "up" some voices sound when singing it. On BSN however, I'd rather listen to her version of that than the standards, which I suppose connects directly to why I prefer Travelogue over BSN. I find most of Joni's earlier recordings hard to listen to and rarely do listen to much before "Blue" because of her voice. I truly appreciate where she had arrived vocally with "Travelogue" and for me it marks a fitting bookend to her career. B n.p.: Lloyd Cole & Jill Sobule - "For The Good Times" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:46:29 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Both sides now hatbox Victor Johnson wrote: > I actually love this album. I remember being sort of on the fence > before seeing her live in 2000 but after seeing her perform these > songs I was really able to connect with them. I guess its just the > jazz cat in me...I love the standards when they're done well. I > agree the hatbox was ill advised. While it didn't work out practically, I do like the fact that they tried to do a unique special package and I don't think it was just pimpin'. Those kinds of things are generally much more hassle than they are worth for the companies that do them, particularly with someone like Joni whose sales apex was long ago. B n.p.: Marshall Chapman - "Jesus Was A Capricorn" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #271 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)