From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #253 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, September 5 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 253 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan [Benedicte Nielsen ] Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan [Bob Muller ] sarah sings river and some more joni videos [mags h ] Re: Behind from Where We Came [LCStanley7@aol.com] re: Behind From Where We Came ["mia _" ] "Empty, Try Another", was: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces ["Ji] Pete Seeger:Joni among greatest songwriters of 20th Century ["Randy Remot] Re: Pete Seeger:Joni among greatest songwriters of 20th Century [Smurf ] Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: RE: Behind From Where We Came [Bobsart48@aol.com] Question for movie buffs - from the website ["Les Irvin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 04 Sep 2006 10:13:58 +0100 From: Benedicte Nielsen Subject: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan Thanks Bob for the response to my question about the female Dylan! And thanks everyone for your warm welcome to the list! Bob says its >"unlikely to see someone called the >"male Joni". I agree! In any case, I would be interested in knowing if any of you has a favourite male singer who fascinates you in the same way as Joni Mitchell? I see a lot of references to female singers on the site so it seems that people think if you like Joni you'd like this other female singer. Last year, I was totally fascinated by the voice of a South African singer called Jim Neversink; he sings with frankness and humour and vulnerability, and his voice fascinated me in almost the same way as Joni's althugh he's not (yet I think!) as accomplished. Nick Cave singing Into My Arms has some of that effect too. I guess no two persons can touch you in the same way... It just seems that when someone asks for favourite singers I would have to ask 'male or female'? There is one song by Neversink on http://www.myspace.com/westernworld, in case you are curious. Anyway, I labelled this SJC because I guess it's a bit off the track! Best Benie (aka Ble) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 06:22:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan I guess that my affection for Joni was more closely aligned to her writing as opposed to her singing - not that I dislike her singing, although I was not a fan of her early stuff when it came out. Anyway, I probably have more favorite males than females...Tom Waits, Andy Partridge(XTC), Bruce Springsteen, Elvis Costello among them. Again, it has more to do with what they write and not necessarily how they sing. Bob NP: Roine Stolt, "Dirt" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 06:48:59 -0700 (PDT) From: mags h Subject: sarah sings river and some more joni videos ah, the miracles of the internet ;-) ... i just listened to sarah's river...gorgeous voice she has...and on the right of the page, are listed, several videos of joni...here's that link again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulr7MPyhPaY mags - --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 10:56:31 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Behind from Where We Came Hi Ya'll, If you play the album backwards, you will instantly understand the English and Joni's choice of words and the origin of us all for that matter in regard to the mathematical average of the anatomical position of mammals giving birth. Mother earth circular rotation coming going birth death up down all around and all that hokey pokey stuff that is the origin of us all... We do. Yes. We circulate gyrate rotate don't hesitate and if we are good at it then we can say we came, we saw, or even conqueered. The visionary calculated the verbiage as "behind from." And some but not all who enjoy looking out from behind the math and the English bushes in an attempt to see the forest and the trees, if they look long and hard enough eventually see the ass who lags behind from start to finish of the race down the rocky path in the woods because the animal is of a race of slow, stubborn beings afraid of twisting a limb or pulling a leg and loving to lag behind from time to time which can add up to all eternity as they are not very competitive in the circle game. And, I like that. Butt, the real question is, are these words part of a song or a poem? Yes, that could make all the difference in the world considering the added dimension of poetic license in the calculation. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2006 10:09:25 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Behind From Where We Came Nuri wrote: <> English Schmenglish! Language is forever evolving, and what Joni does best is to siphon the colored language of the farms and streets. :) Mia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:38:52 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: "Empty, Try Another", was: This Is More Mysterious Than Your Nothces In interviews, Joni said "Empty, Try Another" has a recording of a cigarette vending machine. She put coins in, made a selection, and the thing began to whirr. Since that choice was out, it kicked the coins back. The coins make different sounds going in than they do coming back. How could it be otherwise? Jim L. np: Los Lonely Boys on "The World Cafe" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:41:51 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Pete Seeger:Joni among greatest songwriters of 20th Century I don't know if this has been mentioned, since it appears to be a repeat broadcast from July, but a great interview with Pete Seeger on Democracy Now! radio/tv alternative news show. He mentions Joni at the end of this segment-I left in the part about Dylan due to recent Dylan fever. http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/03/1443245 AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Pete Seeger, and on this allmusic.com bio of you, it says "Pete Seeger's adherence to the sanctity of folk music came to a boiling point with the advent of folk rock, and it's long been rumored that he tried to pull the plug on Bob Dylan's very electrified set with the Paul Butterfield Blues Band in 1965." Is that true? PETE SEEGER: No. It's true that I don't play electrified instruments. I don't know how to. On the other hand, I have played with people who play them beautifully, and I admire some of them. Howling Wolf was using electrified instruments at Newport just the day before Bob did. But I was furious that the sound was so distorted you could not understand a word that he was singing. He was singing a great song, "Maggie's Farm," a great song, but you couldn't understand it. And I ran over to the soundman, said, "Fix the sound so you can understand him." And they hollered back, "No, this is the way they want it!" I don't know who they was, but I was so mad I said "Damn, if I had an axe I'd cut the cable right now." I really was that mad. But I wasn't against Bob going electric. As a matter of fact, some of Bob's songs are still my favorites. What an artist he is. What a great -- I would say maybe he and Woody and Buffy Sainte-Marie and Joni Mitchell and Malvina Reynolds are the greatest songwriters of the twentieth century, even though Irving Berlin made the most money. They wrote songs that were trying to help us understand where we are, what we gotta do. Still are writing them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 13:56:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Pete Seeger:Joni among greatest songwriters of 20th Century Pete Seegar said: > I would say maybe he (Dylan) > and Woody and Buffy > Sainte-Marie and Joni Mitchell and Malvina Reynolds > are the greatest > songwriters of the twentieth century Buffy the Song Slayer? I must be missing something. - --Smurf Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:16:53 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: list etiquette revisited ! I would just like to clarify this again because apparently the first time it was not understood. If someone asks you to stop sending personal emails and to reply only to the list you should do so. I had asked someone on the list to not email me personally and to only reply to the list so that whatever is sent appears on the forum that is the jmdl. The did not understand and emailed me again. I politely asked them again to not email me personally but to send emails to the jmdl. I was then threatened and told if I didn't stop posting stupid messages then I would continue to get personal emails. I don't find this very amusing and it is very close to being grounds for dismissal, i.e., being banned from the jmdl. So let me make this absolutely clear so that it will be understood. If someone asks you not to send them personal emails and you continue to do so that is considered harassment and you may be blocked from posting on this discussion list. I don't see how that can be made any clearer. We now return to our regularly scheduled program, brought to you by the JMDL home companion. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 14:01:00 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan > Bob says its >>"unlikely to see someone called the >"male Joni". Actually, I remember a review of one of David Crosby's post- prison solo albums in which the reviewer said 'he's tying to be the male Joni Mitchell-which he'll never be'. Also a dumb statement. Since he's trying to be the male David Crosby. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:23:22 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks Bob Muller wrote, re "The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks": "I've got it on video, Nuri - it is so bad it is`painful to watch. The only redeeming features are the musical intro and outro for the film, in which Joni offers up a couple of alternate versions of her WTRF song "Love"." Nuri replied: " You know what? I'm kind of pleased to hear that. Acting and acting-related media is basically "The Art of Manipulation" as the ancient Greek said. Bertolt Brecht said that "Empty-minded and hollow people are the best pretenders and fakers and therefore the best actors"." Now me: Nuri - I think you should see it for yourself and then share your own review. The scene Joni paints in her vignette has dream-like elements, with more than a touch of the self effacing confrontational realities of relationships failed that one hears in her songs. Once I got over some initial cringing (Joni gets to us that way, no ?) I found it not so bad. The film's title is "Love". It's an artsy film featuring several vignettes, each written, directed and/or acted by a different woman of note. It was produced by Barry Levinson (who directed Rain Man). I have seen it because of Bob Muller (who can be a tough critic, it seems, when he feels let down). No box office or academy award nominations here, but I like artsy films. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 23:31:47 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Behind From Where We Came Nuri replied to Catherine re matters grammatical in Joni's captioned lyric: "Bare with me and you'll see that i'm pointing at the only way this lyric is grammatically correct without changing a single word she wrote." "Bare with me" - That's quite the command, er...... invitation? But is it grammatically correct ? ;-) Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 08:32:10 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Question for movie buffs - from the website From: Olav Mxrkrid email: olav.morkrid@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:22 AM except from "rebel without a cause" what other movies are featured in joni's 1980 concert video "shadows and light"? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2006 05:54:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: Re: SJC Re: Female Bob Dylan Hi JoniBuds, No one else in the universe has quite the same hypnotic effect on me as Joni, male or female, but Michael Hedges comes close. He was mainly a kick-ass acoustic guitar-player, but when he sang the songs he did write lyrics to, they captivated me. His voice was lovely. Wish I didn't have to write in the past tense. Still Love You Mike, Alice Benedicte Nielsen wrote: Thanks Bob for the response to my question about the female Dylan! And thanks everyone for your warm welcome to the list! Bob says its >"unlikely to see someone called the >"male Joni". I agree! In any case, I would be interested in knowing if any of you has a favourite male singer who fascinates you in the same way as Joni Mitchell? I see a lot of references to female singers on the site so it seems that people think if you like Joni you'd like this other female singer. Last year, I was totally fascinated by the voice of a South African singer called Jim Neversink; he sings with frankness and humour and vulnerability, and his voice fascinated me in almost the same way as Joni's althugh he's not (yet I think!) as accomplished. Nick Cave singing Into My Arms has some of that effect too. I guess no two persons can touch you in the same way... It just seems that when someone asks for favourite singers I would have to ask 'male or female'? There is one song by Neversink on http://www.myspace.com/westernworld, in case you are curious. Anyway, I labelled this SJC because I guess it's a bit off the track! Best Benie (aka Ble) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #253 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)