From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #252 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, September 4 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 252 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks [Bob Muller ] Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Behind From Where We Came [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" [Catherine McKay ] Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" [Bob Muller ] RE: Behind From Where We Came ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 80 - September Songs [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: Behind From Where We Came [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Behind From Where We Came [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? [Bryan ] RE: Behind From Where We Came ["Richard Flynn" ] RE: Behind From Where We Came [Nuriel Tobias ] River ["Marianne Rizzo" ] RE: Behind From Where We Came [Catherine McKay ] * CLOSED: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 61-70 of JM Covers ["Music] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 03:12:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks Has anyone seen the movie LOVE (1982) where Joni acted (!) as Paula in a segment named "The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks" which she also wrote? My oh my... I read it was a film written by women about love (duh!:), and i'm dying to know what Joni's segment was about, the script, how did she act, how did she look like, the reviews, the public, the popcorn, anything you know or would like to comment about it would be great! Thanks, Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:16:52 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? Regarding the long "concept albums" thread, Bob M summarized: "Then again, you could probably debate your way through arguing the concept of every project she's done. Like Em said, every project represents a period and is unlike the records that preceded & followed it." I am not too interested in refining the concept of a concept album, or of debating precisely what Joni's concept for a particular album may have been. But the question of whether Joni had preconceived concepts of unified themes for her 'next album' interests me. I have no doubt (I could hedge with "little doubt", but I'd be misrepresenting) that Joni had a very definite concept about every one of her projects, in terms of how it would be presented artistically. In each case, it seems to me, there is an internal consistency of the "sound" of the recording - a musical "wash", if you will - and a method to the madness of the order of the songs, even if they were not initially conceived within a single common theme or in a logical, sequential manner. But was there a preconceived lyrical theme ? I think that a look at her early albums is fun. I think that Joni attempted to structure STAS a la mode of the titles of its two sides. Clearly, she succeeded with side one - I Came to the City. While Michael From Mountains paints a pictures that could be urban or suburban ('they splash home to suppers in wallpapered kitchens, their mothers will scold"), the other songs are plainly set in the city, and that city experience - so much a part of her then current life experience - was hauntingly - and beautifully - captured in those songs. The songs on Side two were arguably a bit harder to pigeonhole, though. So, "Out of the City and Down to the Seashore" may have been a "best effort" to unify the subtitles with reference to the underlying songs. Sisotowbell Lane was especially problematic, since it seems to be set in the prarie (or is it the mountains ?) "At the woodlands and the grasslands and the badlands 'cross the river..... Sisotowbell Lane Go to the city you'll come back again To wade thru the grain................. Come back to the stars Sweet well water and pickling jars..." The next three songs are set at the seaside, though, and Cactus Tree ties sides one and two together in a sort of theatrical - yet personal - finale. Was this structure preconceived ? As Eliott Roberts noted "artistically, she knew what she wanted; she wasn't looking for input". He also noted that, by the time she recorded STAS, she had written many of the songs that would appear on her first three albums. I suspect that, with a relatively broad collection of songs to work with, Joni picked the ones she did for STAS at least partly because she wanted songs that fit the lyrical theme she had selected for the project. With the next two albums, I got the sense that Joni was finding a place for the other songs that had already been written, surrounding them with some new efforts that seemed to mesh reasonably well with them (or perhaps vice versa). From Blue onward, I sensed that there was more unity lyrically than with Clouds and LOTC - perhaps because from that point on Joni recorded songs that were all written close together in time. Still, until DED, I think that Joni was more or less writing individual songs that reflected her experiences during that period her life (the inclusion of Little Green in Blue was a notable exception, but I would guess that memory was weighing heavily on her mind at that time). That currency of thought, in turn, imparted a sense of unity without the kind of "concept" one finds in a rock album like Tommy or even in Sgt. Peppers or Abbey Road, which seem less personal - yet are nevertheless strangely intimate - in nature. Some might see a break with DED and Chalkmark, as Joni wrote less about herself and more about society and the human condition. That carried over to some extent even in NRH and certainly in Turbulent Indigo. However, once again, I sense that Joni was simply writing about what was mattering most to her during those periods in her life. Mostly, one song at a time. If a certain topic was on her mind a lot, one might get two or three songs that seemed related (THOSL and Harry's House, for example, with shades found in In France They Kiss on Mainstreet). Or in Blue, with the travelling songs against the failed relationships. Or in FTR with the two "side-enders" about the tribulations of the artist, and the JT connection. Or in her Hejira travels. Clearly, BSN and Travelogue were preconceived projects. BSN had the relationship theme, and Travelogue was an effort to revisit and document for posterity - in orchestral form - a collection of many of her most important songs. But there was no new material, unlike Tommy et al. So, maybe Joni's albums aren't "concept albums", but nobody had a better concept of how to put recordings together than Joni. Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 06:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks I've got it on video, Nuri - it is so bad it is painful to watch. The only redeeming features are the musical intro and outro for the film, in which Joni offers up a couple of alternate versions of her WTRF song "Love". Bob NP: The Beatles, "One After 909" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 07:01:19 -0700 (PDT) From: MattJones Subject: Re: Joni Concept Albums I am surprised no one mentioned DJRD as a concept album....Am I the only one who hears the getting ready for a night out (overture/ cotton ave), the encounter with Mr. Mystery (talk to me), the blissful moment of "this may actually work out this time" (jerico), the retreat and reverie (paprika plains), spinning off into a fantasy of traveling (a Hejira leftover?) and the frightening visions of a future "beneath the blade" (oits & marlena, the tenth world, dreamland), that dissonant breakthrough that happens on all Joni's albums (Don Juan's....), the inevitable decline of the relationship (off night) and musing at a distance, spinning the experience into a warning (silky veils). I think this is the best organized narrative in all joni's albums, which in some way or another on their own, could be considered "concept" albums. There's my two cents and a very clumsy synopsis of a section of my thesis, a little bait for those of you who've been waiting patiently for so so long. And if this idea turns up in a book or article somewhere else, I better get some credit for it! My CV could use the citations! (that's a [bad] grad student joke, laugh: ha ha ha. those funny grad students). Happy Listening! Matt, in Athens. rats live on no evil star - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 08:34:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks Bob Muller wrote: acted (!) as Paula in a segment named "The Black Cat in the Black Mouse Socks" which she also wrote?> I've got it on video, Nuri - it is so bad it is painful to watch. The only redeeming features are the musical intro and outro for the film, in which Joni offers up a couple of alternate versions of her WTRF song "Love". You know what? I'm kind of pleased to hear that. Acting and acting-related media is basically "The Art of Manipulation" as the ancient Greek said. Bertolt Brecht said that "Empty-minded and hollow people are the best pretenders and fakers and therefore the best actors". George Bernard Show said that "If you can't be phony - don't act". I've been surrounded by and working with professional actors since i was 13, and most, if not all of them, think the same thing about themselves. It's not that they are mean or stupid - well some of them are but some of them are good and clever people - it's just that they know what their profession demands of them and they're very aware of their "gift". Infact, 99% of the movies/plays that deal in "Actors" and "The Industry" are ABOUT that - phony actors pretending that they're phony actors who pretend that they're characters that pretned they're real people. It's not a curse - it's just that this kind of art is based on manipulations - every actor, playwright, script writer and director learns that on the first day. Joni is simply too true to deal with that. Her art is based on "hardcore" truth. Writing and composing lyrics and songs like Joni does - is not at all like writing a script and acting in it, even, or should i say, especially if she does that. I'm not saying that Joni doesn't sometimes "acts" in her songs - but singing in a studio or on stage is miles away from the movies scene. These days everything is mixed up. Singers dream about becoming actors while actors dream about becoming musicians. So the pure need for brilliant manipulations in acting/films/plays is now cheap manipulations in every art form - producing music, sounds, writing books, painting, dancing and so on - it's all about manipulating. It seems like everyting is acting and cinematic. You know, i could tell you how some of them do this or that better or worse, but in the end Joni is anything but everyone and like Andeemac says - I dare you to disagree, is that understood, do tell me please, no room for interpretations, in Jesus name. Nuri Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 09:20:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Behind From Where We Came Sorry to bother you with this question, but it seems we may have an "issue" here:) The Circle Game lyric "(look) behind from where we came". Is that proper English, "spoken" English, or a "blooper"? Shouldn't it be "Look behind to where we came from"? Or is the way Joni writes it common in the USA? As far as i know there's no "behind from" in English (I think?) - and if the "from" relates to "look" and not to "behind", then Guy, my mate, (who urged me to post you guys about this) claims that there's a "Major Logic Issue". He deals with math, you see, and since the chorus of this song deals in "Circles and moving in circles", he found a serious problem with what's going on there. I've listened to him for sometime now, and he made some damn good points, believe me that it can cause your mind some heavy-heavy thinking and a big-big headache, but it all depends first on rather the "(look) behind from where we came" lyric is a blooper, slang, way of speaking or proper English. For everyone's sake i hope the lyric is OK or else you'd soon find yourself involved in the craziest circle game ever with this post being only the tip of the iceberg.:) Hugs, Nuri - --------------------------------- Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:03:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Behind From Where We Came - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Sorry to bother you with this question, but it seems > we may have an "issue" here:) > > The Circle Game lyric "(look) behind from where we > came". Is that proper English, "spoken" English, or > a "blooper"? Shouldn't it be "Look behind to where > we came from"? Or is the way Joni writes it common > in the USA? I don't think it's incorrect, but it's not normal usage either. If you wanted to be grammatically correct, but also really old-fashioned, you'd say, "behind to (the place from) whence we came", but no one talks like that. You would probably say, as you've said, "behind, to where we came from". I think Joni was trying to fit the meter and the rhyme but then, knowing Joni, maybe she wanted there to be more than one meaning, including one that seems to defy logic. Now I'm confused. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 13:17:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" - --- Bob Muller wrote: > It comes out October 17 - but you can hear it > right now (and it IS very lovely): > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulr7MPyhPaY > > Bob > Did you get any video off this, or just darkness, darkness, no colour, no contrast? I think it sounds lovely, but the comments left by people at the site are pretty negative - they say "it's too poppy and produced" and so on. Maybe they don't care for songs with strings added. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Sarah McLachlan's "River" No, there wasn't a video, it was just the audio. Very artistic! Or maybe she was singing about the same River that The Doobies sang about in Black Water. Reminded me of the video that The Replacements made of nothing but a speaker thumping along to the song. And perusing ebay this AM, it also appears that there's a release of River as a single. Ka-ching for Joni. Bob NP: The Flaming Lips, "Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots, Pt. 1" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:05:52 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came As Bob Dylan sang: "If you're lookin' to get silly / you better go back to from where you came." Why worry about whether song lyrics are grammatically correct, fergoshsakes? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Catherine McKay Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 1:04 PM To: Nuriel Tobias; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Behind From Where We Came - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Sorry to bother you with this question, but it seems > we may have an "issue" here:) > > The Circle Game lyric "(look) behind from where we > came". Is that proper English, "spoken" English, or > a "blooper"? Shouldn't it be "Look behind to where > we came from"? Or is the way Joni writes it common > in the USA? I don't think it's incorrect, but it's not normal usage either. If you wanted to be grammatically correct, but also really old-fashioned, you'd say, "behind to (the place from) whence we came", but no one talks like that. You would probably say, as you've said, "behind, to where we came from". I think Joni was trying to fit the meter and the rhyme but then, knowing Joni, maybe she wanted there to be more than one meaning, including one that seems to defy logic. Now I'm confused. Catherine Toronto - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 06:35:42 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 80 - September Songs Another excellent collection, Bob. Cher's, BYT was a touch of nostalgia for me. I had all but forgotten about this. I loved the Sonny and Cher Show when I was a kid. The animation was kooky too. Thanks for this one. Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:53:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > As Bob Dylan sang: > > "If you're lookin' to get silly / you better go back > to from where you > came." > > > Why worry about whether song lyrics are > grammatically correct, fergoshsakes? > I never even thought about it until Nuri asked. And if English isn't his first language, it might not be so easy to get. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came Richard Flynn wrote: "Why worry about whether song lyrics are grammatically correct, fergoshsakes?" Who's worried? After all these years that this good old song seemed to be as naive, simple and guileless as the child it's about, while old folks shed a nostalgic tear and kids in schools all over the world sing it in choirs - we're re-opening the case and having fun!:) It's not about grammar at all, Rich, but we must understand the grammar issue first before we can enjoy a brilliant logic game that Joni amazingly planted in it. It's gonne be fun, i promise.:) Now back to you, Catherine - You say that - "I don't think it's incorrect, but it's not normal usage either. If you wanted to be grammatically correct, but also really old-fashioned, you'd say, "behind to (the place from) whence we came", but no one talks like that. You would probably say, as you've said, "behind, to where we came from". I think Joni was trying to fit the meter and the rhyme but then, knowing Joni, maybe she wanted there to be more than one meaning, including one that seems to defy logic. Now I'm confused." It may be incorrect, and it may be correct. Google, however, finds 1 "Behind from where we came" which is a title of a book that was clearly referring to the song, and ALL the other results are Joni's Circle Game. There's no signs whatsoever that it's in usage in English. But let's not decide anything before we hear what others have to say and mainly - check out the other option which, imho, has to be correct and most of all - is under our wise-guy's nose. There's no "behind from" in English. And no matter what both of us say - it is not about looking behind TO where we came from, which is why up to this moment 10000000 of people still consider this lyric, written by the queen of a generation of hippies tripping it's way to eternity, a Yidish lullaby about "the past". Just kidding!:) But there's the obvious "look from" - that's 100% correct. (No "to" replaces the "from" - and btw we look "at" and not "to", so i'm sure it's has nothing to do with looking at the past or at a place we left behind.) Bare with me and you'll see that i'm pointing at the only way this lyric is grammatically correct without changing a single word she wrote. Instead of trying to figure out what "behind from" is - If the "from" relates to the "look" - as in "Only from where we came we can look behind" - than there's no grammar issue at all! Do you agree that this is the only way this lyric is grammatically correct? Sure you do - it's 100% correct and very simple (at least grammatically-wise). But if you indeed agree, then THIS is where the amazing logic thing that Joni planted shines at last. It has nothing to do with grammar. The grammar issue ended. It's a painting of movement forward in time AND movement round and round in circles at the SAME time which Guy was clever enough to spot. It's the real mystery of the circle game that finally pulls this song out of it's "cliche" into the dream-like world of Joni - a vision of time and space, of growing older without aging a bit, of moving forward while returning back, a logic riddle that science (since the days of Einstein) deals with but no songwriter other than Joni does. I'll go on in my next post and hopefully we can all talk about it and help eachother undrestand as much as we can, but before we do, i think we should hear more about the grammar issue and then feel free to dive inside. Now you should start worrying, Richard:) http://britton.disted.camosun.bc.ca/escher/relativity.jpg http://britton.disted.camosun.bc.ca/escher/relativity.jpg http://www.tessellations.org/galleries-escher/1944-encounter.jpg Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:36:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came Catherine McKay wrote: - --- Richard Flynn wrote: > As Bob Dylan sang: > > "If you're lookin' to get silly / you better go back > to from where you > came." > > > Why worry about whether song lyrics are > grammatically correct, fergoshsakes? > I never even thought about it until Nuri asked. And if English isn't his first language, it might not be so easy to get. Which is why many folks like me don't take English for granted and are more likely to seriously explore it instead of slanging it away:) Did you read my reply, guys? Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 14:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Joni's Albums - Concept Albums? >HOSL - Once again, i agree with you, Bob. It's hard to agree, i >guess, because how can anyone say it's not a concept album when Joni herself >says it's a concept album, but i agree with you. Well, I don't think Joni said HOSL was a concept album. She said it was "conceived as a whole" (see liner notes). Not quite the same thing. Perhaps an accidental, organic kind of concept, if you know what I mean. In fact, I don't have the CD to refer to right now, but I think she said it happened "accidentally." Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 19:03:13 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came I was trying to be lighthearted and humorous, but I obviously failed to communicate that. Carry on with the analysis! - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Nuriel Tobias Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 5:18 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came Richard Flynn wrote: "Why worry about whether song lyrics are grammatically correct, fergoshsakes?" Who's worried? After all these years that this good old song seemed to be as naive, simple and guileless as the child it's about, while old folks shed a nostalgic tear and kids in schools all over the world sing it in choirs - we're re-opening the case and having fun!:) It's not about grammar at all, Rich, but we must understand the grammar issue first before we can enjoy a brilliant logic game that Joni amazingly planted in it. It's gonne be fun, i promise.:) Now back to you, Catherine - You say that - "I don't think it's incorrect, but it's not normal usage either. If you wanted to be grammatically correct, but also really old-fashioned, you'd say, "behind to (the place from) whence we came", but no one talks like that. You would probably say, as you've said, "behind, to where we came from". I think Joni was trying to fit the meter and the rhyme but then, knowing Joni, maybe she wanted there to be more than one meaning, including one that seems to defy logic. Now I'm confused." It may be incorrect, and it may be correct. Google, however, finds 1 "Behind from where we came" which is a title of a book that was clearly referring to the song, and ALL the other results are Joni's Circle Game. There's no signs whatsoever that it's in usage in English. But let's not decide anything before we hear what others have to say and mainly - check out the other option which, imho, has to be correct and most of all - is under our wise-guy's nose. There's no "behind from" in English. And no matter what both of us say - it is not about looking behind TO where we came from, which is why up to this moment 10000000 of people still consider this lyric, written by the queen of a generation of hippies tripping it's way to eternity, a Yidish lullaby about "the past". Just kidding!:) But there's the obvious "look from" - that's 100% correct. (No "to" replaces the "from" - and btw we look "at" and not "to", so i'm sure it's has nothing to do with looking at the past or at a place we left behind.) Bare with me and you'll see that i'm pointing at the only way this lyric is grammatically correct without changing a single word she wrote. Instead of trying to figure out what "behind from" is - If the "from" relates to the "look" - as in "Only from where we came we can look behind" - than there's no grammar issue at all! Do you agree that this is the only way this lyric is grammatically correct? Sure you do - it's 100% correct and very simple (at least grammatically-wise). But if you indeed agree, then THIS is where the amazing logic thing that Joni planted shines at last. It has nothing to do with grammar. The grammar issue ended. It's a painting of movement forward in time AND movement round and round in circles at the SAME time which Guy was clever enough to spot. It's the real mystery of the circle game that finally pulls this song out of it's "cliche" into the dream-like world of Joni - a vision of time and space, of growing older without aging a bit, of moving forward while returning back, a logic riddle that science (since the days of Einstein) deals with but no songwriter other than Joni does. I'll go on in my next post and hopefully we can all talk about it and help eachother undrestand as much as we can, but before we do, i think we should hear more about the grammar issue and then feel free to dive inside. Now you should start worrying, Richard:) http://britton.disted.camosun.bc.ca/escher/relativity.jpg http://britton.disted.camosun.bc.ca/escher/relativity.jpg http://www.tessellations.org/galleries-escher/1944-encounter.jpg Nuri - --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 16:33:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came Richard Flynn wrote: "I was trying to be lighthearted and humorous, but I obviously failed to communicate that. Carry on with the analysis!" *Nuri sends Richard a hug and a warm njc "Here's to you" signal* Nuri Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2006 19:54:29 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: River http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulr7MPyhPaY Thanks Bob, It is so very great. . I am listening to it over and over. . Joni is . . . . . . . . This song makes me want to go to Amsterdam. Is it true you can skate up and down the rivers there? XOXO Marianne (sung by Sara McLachlan) >It comes out October 17 - but you can hear it right now (and it IS very lovely): >Bob _________________________________________________________________ Check the weather nationwide with MSN Search: Try it now! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=weather&FORM=WLMTAG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 23:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Behind From Where We Came - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > It's a painting of movement forward in time AND > movement round and round in circles at the SAME time > which Guy was clever enough to spot. There was a guy that used to sing "The circle game" at Mass when I was young. My Dad didn't think it was appropriate, because he figured that the circle image was a pagan one, and that the Christian view was apparently more like a spiral. I didn't care. Someone was singing Joni at Mass. That was good enough for me and it kept me awake. "Round and round and round in the spiral game." Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2006 22:21:20 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: * CLOSED: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 61-70 of JM Covers Discs are going first to Brian Gross Several others also asked for them. He will pass them along when finished. Eric - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Music Is Special" To: "Joni List" Cc: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 11:54 PM Subject: * Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 61-70 of JM Covers > In order to enable latecomers to the list or new traders have a > chance of listening to Bob Muller's incredible compilation of covers > of Joni's songs here is the latest round of the Perpetual Joni Covers > Trains. > > For those not familiar with trading trains, here is how they work: > When the disks come to you, you make copies of as much of the > contents as you want, and then you post back to > this list offering to pass the disks along to the next person. You do not > keep the originals -- you keep the copies you made for yourself. On most > trains, the convention is that you make the copies and send the masters > along within two days. For these trains, you must agree to turn them > around > within one week. Sometimes the offer goes unclaimed. Bob and I expect > that > to happen from time to time. So, by participating, you agree to just hang > on to the disks and then make another offer a month or so later (or to > respond if somebody posts a grovel looking for them). In theory, if > everybody takes good care of the disks, wrapping them well, not letting > them > get scratched, etc. and passes them along, these covers will run on the > tracks for years. Nobody is going to monitor the progress of these trains > so if you participate and then lose the disks or fail to reoffer them, you > will have kept others from enjoying them. When you post an offer, please > include > these "rules". One final note, I know a few folks like to compress these > into MP3s. If you want to, go ahead but please do not send MP3s to the > next > person - MP3s permanently delete some of the "data" and sound > quality degrades so please pass the masters along. > > So, anybody who would like to receive volumes 51-60, please send me: > 1. Your mailing address and > 2. Your promise to reoffer, etc. > > Enjoy and have a nice weekend, Eric > > > P.S. If you are sitting on any of the earlier rounds, please offer them > up again as its > been a year and new folks might be interested. Thanks ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #252 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)