From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #244 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, August 27 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 244 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni's first art director dies- RIP [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Joni Mitchells talent [Andeemac2006 ] RE: Joni Mitchells talent ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni "In Her Own Words" / Searching the JMDL [Smurf ] CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC ["Cassy" ] Re: India Arie ["Randy Remote" ] Re: CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC [Brenda ] Re: India Arie [Brenda ] Re: CSNY in the casino [Brenda ] Re: CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC ["Cassy" ] Re: India Arie [Brenda ] Re: CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC [Brenda ] RE: CSNY in the casino ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Warner Bros pulls Joni videos from Utube [Brenda Subject: Joni Mitchells talent I do think that a lot of people try to play games with this issue its like how can we avoid anwsering or debating the point at hand.Ill try again LOL, Kate do you think that anybody in the last 10 years come anywere near the Huge artistic talent which is Joni Mitchells lifetime achievment in Music :- Clouds - Ladies Of The Canyon - Blue - For The Roses - Court And Spark - Miles Of Aisles - The Hissing Of Summer Lawns - Hejira - Don Juan's Reckless Daughter - Mingus - Shadows and Light - Wild Things Run Fast - Dog Eat Dog - Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm - Night Ride Home - Turbulent Indigo - Taming The Tiger - Both Sides Now - TravelogueWell do you ????? And yes isnt the very name "the Beatles" an historical institution steeped in related history, If people today try and defend Music of today by saying the Beatles are crap!!!!!!!! this shows how much the appreaciation of Lyrics Melody and Instrumental talent, which goes towards what is called MUSIC has been erased ----------- Michael Flaherty said "One thing I feel certain of: centuries from now people won't look at 60s-70s rock as anything special. Popular music, by its very nature, doesn't remain popular." Mozart anyone??I wonder how many people agree with this comment as per :- 1. Stevie Wonder 2. Led Zeppelin 3. Elton John 4. Pink Floyd 5. Rolling Stones 6. The Eagles 7. Marvin Gaye 8. Queen 9. James Brown 10. The Who 11. Black Sabbath 12. Aretha Franklin 13. David Bowie 14. Paul McCartney/Wings 15. Parliment/Funkadelic 16. The Isley Brothers 17. Fleetwood Mac 18. John Lennon 19. Bee Gees 20. Chicago 21. Bob Marley 22. Jackson Five 23. Earth, Wind & Fire 24. Al Green 25. Bruce Springsteen 26. KISS 27. The Clash 28. Curtis Mayfield 29. Lynyrd Skynyrd 30. Eric Clapton/Derek & the Dominos 31. Alice Cooper 32. Gladys Knight & The Pips 33. Allman Brothers Band 34. Aerosmith 35. Neil Young 36. Bob Dylan 37. Rod Stewart 38. The O'Jays 39. The Ramones 40. Rush 41. Bob Seger 42. Steve Miller Band 43. Grateful Dead 44. The Beach Boys 45. George Harrison 46. Sly and the Family Stone 47. Elvis Presley 48. Deep Purple 49. Crosby, Stills, Nash, & Young 50. Joni Mitchell 51. Peter Frampton 52. Bachman Turner Overdrive 53. Creedence Clearwater Revival 54. Three Dog Night 55. War 56. Temptations 57. Commodores 58. AC/DC 59. The Spinners 60. Billy Joel 61. Kool & The Gang 62. ZZ Top 63. Doobie Brothers 64. Emerson, Lake & Palmer 65. Jackson Browne 66. The Staple Singers 67. Yes 68. Boston 69. Barry White 70. Kinks 71. Jethro Tull 72. Santana 73. The Guess Who 74. Steely Dan 75. Sex Pistols 76. Moody Blues 77. Electric Light Orchestra 78. Bad Company 79. Grand Funk Railroad 80. Journey 81. Foreigner 82. James Taylor 83. The Chi-Lites 84. Rufus, featuring Chaka Khan 85. Kansas 86. Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes 87. Heart 88. Donna Summer 89. Linda Ronstadt 90. Paul Simon 91. The Doors 92. Iggy Pop 93. Styx 94. Van Morrison 95. Patti Smith 96. Lou Reed 97. Van Halen 98. Foghat 99. Ohio Players 100. Traffic 101. Mott The Hoople 102. Supertramp 103. Genesis 104. Jeff Beck 105. J. Geils Band 106. America 107. Carol King 108. Warren Zevon 109. Janis Joplin 110. King Crimson 111. The Dells 112. Blue Oyster Cult 113. Four Tops 114. The Band 115. The Stylistics 116. Cat Stevens 117. Diana Ross 118. Ten Years After 119. Cheap Trick 120. Ringo Starr 121. Todd Rundgren 122. The Delfonics 123. Joe Cocker 124. Humble Pie 125. Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers 126. The Whispers 127. Bobby Womack 128. Ted Nugent 129. The Supremes 130. Edgar Winter 131. Sweet 132. The Dramatics 133. Uriah Heep 134. Joe Simon 135. Bill Withers 136. Rainbow 137. Carly Simon 138. Nazareth 139. Johnnie Taylor 140. The Three Degrees 141. Issac Hayes 142. Joe Walsh 143. Badfinger 144. Jefferson Starship 145. Elvis Costello & The Attractions 146. Eddie Kendricks 147. 10cc 148. Golden Earring 149. Alan Parsons Project 150. Stephen Stills 151. Average White Band 152. Ike & Tina Turner 153. Dave Mason 154. The New York Dolls 155. Wilson Pickett 156. Marshal Tucker Band 157. Roxy Music 158. Slade 159. The Knack 160. Meat Loaf 161. Boz Scaggs 162. Judas Priest 163. Harry Nilsson 164. The Miracles 165. Thin Lizzy 166. Rick Derringer 167. T-Rex 168. Blondie 169. Dan Fogelberg 170. Nitty Gritty Dirt Band 171. Little Feat 172. Don McLean 173. The Hollies 174. Rare Earth 175. Southside Johnny & The Asbury Jukes 176. Manfred Mann's Earth Band 177. Bootsy Collins 178. Dr. John 179. The Impressions 180. Chuck Berry 181. Orleans 182. Grass Roots 183. Brownsville Station 184. Spirit 185. Smokey Robinson 186. Robin Trower 187. Clarence Carter 188. Dave Edmunds 189. Black Oak Arkansas 190. Molly Hatchet 191. Charlie Daniels Band 192. Joe Tex 193. Tower Of Power 194. Tyrone Davis 195. Rose Royce 196. Billy Preston 197. Rufus Thomas 198. Television 199. Atlanta Rhythm Section 200. Bar Kays Have I made my point???? I think at least a hundred of these will be rememberd for a long long timeAnd you know another point I havent touched on is that most of music today, has come from all of these artists!!!!!!! are you seriously saying that the music of the last 10 years would have formed without these artists influence.For the absolutle last time from " Joni through the Beatles and the Stones, Dylan Springsteen, Elton John, Billy Joel, Jimi Hendrix, and the Who. the music of today is of average quality. I defy anybody to say that these artists in this paragraph are average!!!At this point I retire from this Thread LOL and fully accept perhaps that it is me that is losing out, in not being able to buy new CD's . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:35:45 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni Mitchells talent Yes I do. >Ill try again LOL, Kate do you think that anybody in the last 10 years come anywere near the Huge artistic talent which is Joni Mitchells lifetime achievment in Music < ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:36:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Joni "In Her Own Words" / Searching the JMDL > I was just trying to explain to someone about the > thing we did a couple of years ago (aka "Thesaurus > Joni") where we took Joni songs and substituted > synonyms for Joni's words. Unfortunately, I couldn't > remember ANY examples, and I have no idea how to > search the JMDL archives. I know Hell was involved, > and that Catherine wrote one based on "Don't > Interrupt > the Sorrow," but I couldn't remember any more -- > even > whatever I wrote. > > Can someone help? > > Thanks. > > XO, > > --Smurf > > . > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:29:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni "In Her Own Words" / Searching the JMDL Smurf, Here's one of the digests that came out with lots of "Thesaurus Joni" content: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2003.n307 It's dated June 1, 2003 - so you should be able to bring up the digests before and after it and get all the dirt. Bob NP: Al Jarreau, "Take Five" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 19:12:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni "In Her Own Words" / Searching the JMDL Thanks, Bob! I just read some to Hannah -- my old girlfriend with whom I saw Joni in '73 or so -- and she loved them! She's visiting from Amsterdam and my visitors from Rome are due back any moment. Sounds like a familiar tune . . . Good night, - --B - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Smurf, > > Here's one of the digests that came out with lots > of "Thesaurus Joni" content: > > http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni/v2003.n307 > > It's dated June 1, 2003 - so you should be able > to bring up the digests before and after it and > get all the dirt. > > Bob > > NP: Al Jarreau, "Take Five" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:03:02 -0700 From: music Subject: Re: India Arie Randy Remote wrote: > I think Fiona Apple is brilliant, but it's taken her 10 years to do 3 > albums. How many albums did CSN (and sometimes Y) do in the 10 years starting in 1969? B n.p.: The Roots - Live From The PJ's ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:36:41 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC From: "music" To: "Randy Remote" <<< Randy Remote wrote: I think Fiona Apple is brilliant, but it's taken her 10 years to do 3 albums. How many albums did CSN (and sometimes Y) do in the 10 years starting in 1969? >>> I'm thinking it was 5. These are the ones I have on Vinyl anyway. 1969 - Crosby, Stills & Nash 1970 - Deja Vu 1971 - 4-Way Street 1974 - So Far (cover art work by Joni) 1977 - CSN I could have missed something but I think I bought everything they did back then... just loved those harmonies. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:01:11 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: India Arie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "music" > Randy Remote wrote: >> I think Fiona Apple is brilliant, but it's taken her 10 years to do 3 >> albums. > > How many albums did CSN (and sometimes Y) do in the 10 years starting in > 1969? > > B Depends on how you count, but pretty dang prolific, and remember, CSN was designed from the beginning to be an open-ended group. Crosby Stills and Nash (1st) CSN (sailboat album) CSN(Y)-Woodstock I & II strk. albums Crosby Stills Nash and Young-Deja Vu CSNY-Four Way Street David Crosby-If I Could Only Remember My Name Stephen Stills (1) Stephen Stills II Manassas (2LP) Manassas-Down The Road Stills Live Illegal Stills Thoroughfare Gap (with Young)-Long May You Run Graham Nash-Songs For Beginners -Wild Tales Graham Nash&David Crosby-(1st) -Wind On The Water -Whistling Down The Wire -Live Neil Young-15 albums not including those above ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:05:15 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC 4-way Street is a live album and So Far was a compilation without any new original music, right? My point is that there isn't that much difference in terms of how prolific CSNY was versus Fiona Apple. Cassy wrote: > From: "music" > To: "Randy Remote" > > <<< Randy Remote wrote: I think Fiona Apple is brilliant, but it's > taken her 10 years to do 3 albums. > > How many albums did CSN (and sometimes Y) do in the 10 years starting > in 1969? >>> > > I'm thinking it was 5. These are the ones I have on Vinyl anyway. > > 1969 - Crosby, Stills & Nash > 1970 - Deja Vu > 1971 - 4-Way Street > 1974 - So Far (cover art work by Joni) > 1977 - CSN > > I could have missed something but I think I bought everything they did > back then... just loved those harmonies. > > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:07:53 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: India Arie But in reality Randy, the only real attraction is when Neil Young is on his own or CSNY go out as a foursome, whether they were designed to be an open-ended group or just ended up that way because they couldn't manage their differences. Randy Remote wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "music" > >> Randy Remote wrote: >>> I think Fiona Apple is brilliant, but it's taken her 10 years to do >>> 3 albums. >> >> How many albums did CSN (and sometimes Y) do in the 10 years starting >> in 1969? >> >> B > > Depends on how you count, but pretty dang prolific, and remember, > CSN was designed from the beginning to be an open-ended group. > Crosby Stills and Nash (1st) > CSN (sailboat album) > CSN(Y)-Woodstock I & II strk. albums > Crosby Stills Nash and Young-Deja Vu CSNY-Four Way Street > David Crosby-If I Could Only Remember My Name > Stephen Stills (1) > Stephen Stills II > Manassas (2LP) > Manassas-Down The Road > Stills > Live > Illegal Stills > Thoroughfare Gap > (with Young)-Long May You Run > Graham Nash-Songs For Beginners > -Wild Tales > Graham Nash&David Crosby-(1st) > -Wind On The Water > -Whistling Down The Wire > -Live > Neil Young-15 albums not including those above ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:11:36 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: CSNY in the casino I'm not. Casinos pay their guarantees (sometimes bigger ones) like anyone else. Kate Bennett wrote: > I am surprised to hear that CSNY played in the casino in CT. Croz is really > outspoken in these parts due to our situation with casinos & their expansion > & the methods involved in doing so (those who oppose casinos often point to > what has happened in CT) & and last year he went to Washington DC to speak > in front of congress I think. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 00:11:22 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC Randy counted all the individual releases too, I didn't do that... shame on me! "Black Queen (courtesy of Jose Cuervo Tequila)" is one of my favorite Stills tunes. If one counts all of the independent material the boys put out as well as CSN(&Y) they were pretty damn prolific. Warmly, Cassy From: "Brenda" <<< 4-way Street is a live album and So Far was a compilation without any new original music, right? My point is that there isn't that much difference in terms of how prolific CSNY was versus Fiona Apple. >>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:23:56 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: India Arie Randy Remote wrote: > The renaissance period was, in my mind, from about 1965-1975. > There is nothing to compare it to today; Joni was putting out a killer > album every year, as was Dylan. The Beatles put out 12 monsters > in 6 years. Hendrix left a trail of genius in 3 years. There are some > good artists out there now, but none who consistantly deliver like > that. > Factor in CSNY, Floyd, Yes, Traffic, The Who; where is today's > "Tommy" or "Wish You Were Here" or "Inner Visions"? > Beck? Matthews? Don't make me laugh. On the other hand, the next wave > of devine inspiration may be > on it's way at any moment; sometimes I think I can sense it.... For me and loads of my friends, there was a golden period from 1987 to 1997 that included music from Public Enemy, Boogie Down Productions, Eric B & Rakim, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Beastie Boys, Massive Attack, Bjork, Tricky, Portishead, Radiohead, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Cassandra Wilson's awesome Blue Light Til Dawn and New Moon Daughter, Dianne Reeves, Wynton & Branford Marsalis and the list goes on. I don't own a single Beatles album but I own all the PE, Tribe, Massive, Radiohead and Nirvana albums. I'm not dissing the Beatles by any stretch because great songwriting is great songwriting. However, further to a point previously made by others, it doesn't resonate with me personally like the music of this time did. B np: Jorge Drexler - Polvo de Estrellas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:27:15 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: CSN (&Y) the early years VLJC But none of the individual releases amount to the same impact as CSNY. (as Randy specifically listed in his original email about the "renaissance") If they did, these guys wouldn't need Neil to play sheds and command $2oo a pop. Cassy wrote: > Randy counted all the individual releases too, I didn't do that... > shame on me! "Black Queen (courtesy of Jose Cuervo Tequila)" is one > of my favorite Stills tunes. > > If one counts all of the independent material the boys put out as well > as CSN(&Y) they were pretty damn prolific. > > Warmly, > Cassy > > From: "Brenda" > > <<< 4-way Street is a live album and So Far was a compilation without > any new original music, right? > > My point is that there isn't that much difference in terms of how > prolific CSNY was versus Fiona Apple. >>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:50:30 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: CSNY in the casino Yes they pay bigger guarantees than most for sure... he has been so outspoken against the casinos because of what is happening in his own backyard, & I would have expected him to avoid playing in one. I was wrong. I'm not. Casinos pay their guarantees (sometimes bigger ones) like anyone else. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 22:48:09 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Warner Bros pulls Joni videos from Utube Michael Flaherty wrote: > Michael O'Malley wrote: >As if someone is going to make money from these or what ? Feels > pretty cheap to me, especially since it is so obviously a fan driven site. > > If they want to release "The Joni Videos" dvd, I'm ready to buy it. If not, what do they care? > > Cheap is the right word. > > Michael Flaherty > YouTube is already making money from advertising for the aggregate of content that it has and if it's sold to another bigger company will undoubtedly make billions. Shouldn't some of this go back to the people whose work is being used on the site to draw a crowd in the first place, even if the number of viewings are proportionately very small compared to lonelygirl15's video about being "really, really excited?" YouTube knows that this is the case which is why they are negotiating with labels, publishers and television companies now so that they can legally show music videos and live performances. B np: ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 23:41:05 -0700 From: Brenda Subject: Re: Warner Bros pulls Joni videos from Utube That dangling "np:" was k.d. lang singing "Help Me" which is still up on YouTube. Kind of makes me wonder if the removal of Joni videos was WMG acting on Joni's behalf since they are both Warner artists... Brenda wrote: > Michael Flaherty wrote: >> Michael O'Malley wrote: >As if >> someone is going to make money from these or what ? Feels pretty >> cheap to me, especially since it is so obviously a fan driven site. >> >> If they want to release "The Joni Videos" dvd, I'm ready to buy >> it. If not, what do they care? >> Cheap is the right word. >> Michael Flaherty >> > > YouTube is already making money from advertising for the aggregate of > content that it has and if it's sold to another bigger company will > undoubtedly make billions. Shouldn't some of this go back to the > people whose work is being used on the site to draw a crowd in the > first place, even if the number of viewings are proportionately very > small compared to lonelygirl15's video about being "really, really > excited?" YouTube knows that this is the case which is why they are > negotiating with labels, publishers and television companies now so > that they can legally show music videos and live performances. > > B > > np: ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #244 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)