From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #243 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 26 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 243 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: need joni help ["mike pritchard" ] India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians [Victor Johnson ] Re: India Arie ["Cassy" ] Re: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians ["Cassy" ] Sax Masters ["Steve Anderson" ] Re: India Arie ["Randy Remote" ] Re: Music... music... music... ["mack watson-bush" ] CSNY in the casino ["Kate Bennett" ] music today ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:34:57 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: need joni help >>Absolutely. 'Cactus Tree' springs to mind as a full on picker. I don't know why she dropped the picking style after a while. I'm sure someone else has the gen on that.<< Thanks, Martin for reminding me of one of my father's favourite expressions (the 'gen') which I haven't heard for years. He used it as a synonym for information, or news, but does anyone know the etymology? Thanks too for your splendid work on the second Stryngs CD which arrived here while I was away on hols. Have played it a couple of times but haven't given it a thorough listen yet. I'll send comments when I have them. Cheers, and hi to the rest of the band, inc Les Irwin and Dan Cassidy. I love mandos and fiddles... mike in bcn np Alison Krauss - New Favorite ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 07:35:14 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians > I bought Sgt Peppers on the first day of issue, as did I buy > Herjia on the first day of issue What do you want....a cookie? > the first explosion being Classical Music, which came to [an] end > didnt it Though you would almost certainly disagree there is still great classical music being written. I saw Golijav "The Passion of St. Marks" performed in Atlanta last year and it was breathtaking and amazing featuring Brazilian singer Luiciana Souza, now married to Larry Klein. I also met Michael Gandolfi, an awesome composer from Cambridge, Mass who told me he tried to bring Joni Mitchell to the Tanglewood symposium but his colleagues snubbed their noses up at her. By the way, the last time I saw Dylan he sounded awful. Victor On Aug 25, 2006, at 3:00 AM, JMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:20:26 -0400 (EDT) > From: Andeemac2006 > Subject: Re: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians > > Cassy said > But regardless... YES, Dave Matthews' release "Under the Table and > Dreaming" and also "Live at Luther College" are every bit as good > as some > of the crap that came out in the 70s (((((((( so you do think these > albums were as good as " Blue " or Sgt Peppers and there > Crap????? )))))))))) his songs "Satellite" and "Typical > Situation" (just to name two) are brilliant and will pass any test > of time you want to devise. > > I will not get dragged into a futile debate. We'll have to agree to > disagree but your narrow perspective is your own loss Cassy > ______________________________________________________________________ > ___________ > > HEY its you with the narrow perspective, I have music from the > 1960's to 1990's, 30 years or more > of music on MY side!!!!!!!! you only have music from early 1990's > to today on your side > Now who has the narrow perspective. I lived through what will be > historically looked back as the Second Fantastic period of > Magnificent original music explosion in history. I bought Sgt > Peppers on the first day of issue, as did I buy Herjia on the > first day of issue, and I got home and looked and read the lyrics > from the Gate Fold sleeve for a half an hour even before putting > the LP on the turntable !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I notice Dylan seems to be > agreeing with me of late. > The first explosion being Classical Music, which came to and end > didnt it. Lastly and I mean lastly I dont understand how a person > that loves Joni Mitchell as you do, cant differenciate between > Amazing and average. > Last post on the Best Slide Guitarists post from me Pheww*!!?? what > a journey LOL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 08:22:34 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians > By the way, the last time I saw Dylan he sounded awful. > > Victor And when did he sound good ? Jerry:) NP: Callas Went Away - Enigma from MCMXC A.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:24:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians - --- Andeemac2006 wrote: > I notice Dylan seems to be agreeing > with me of late. If you're referring to Dylan's recent interview where he talked about modern music, I took it to mean that the quality of the recordings themselves - the production - that is no good, not necessarily the music itself. "I don't know anybody who's made a record that sounds decent in the past twenty years, really. You listen to these modern records, they're atrocious, they have sound all over them. There's no definition of nothing, no vocal, no nothing, just like -- static." http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/11216877/the_modern_times_of_bob_dylan_a_legend_comes_to_grips_with_his_iconic_status/1 Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:09:00 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Serpent chained to the Ethiopian Wall? Surely it's the Original Sin that was commited by woman in the Garden of Eden (if you follow that mankind springs from the horn of Africa - i.e. Ethiopia). She's saying that this embittered man is blaming her for everything that Woman has ever done to him, even Eve's faults are hers. Just a theory, it's a beautifully put image. Zooby On 25/08/06, Richard Flynn wrote: > I'll work on it and get back to you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Scott [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:20 PM > To: Richard Flynn; 'mike pritchard'; 'list' > Cc: Dflahm@aol.com > Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow > > > > You know, it's kind of a shame to limit this song with interpretation > > because it seems closer to poetry than most of Joni's lyrics. But I would > > guess that it's about the breakup of a relationship. The man seems to be > > hurling an insult at the woman in the song. He's seems to be saying, > > "You've driven me to drink. Everyone of these glasses in this room has > > your > > name on it"--or your "notches"--they're your "notches," not mine. > > Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES! Somebody else gets it! I feel > vindicated at last! > > > > > Now, I wonder what's going on with that Serpent chained to the Ethiopian > > wall? > > Richard if you can figure that one out, my hat's off to you. > > Mark E. in Seattle > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:26:41 +0000 From: waytoblue@comcast.net Subject: artists of the 70's The funniest thing about all of this is that several of the artists you mention have praised and cited the influence of up and coming artists. Elton John stated that he was influenced by John Mayer and Phil and Friends(Phil Lesh of the Grateful Dead) even did a cobill last new year's eve w/John Mayer where they even performed a set together. Stevie Wonder has had nothing but praise for India Arie and had her provide guest vocals on his last album, "A Time 2 Love" as well as perform along with her at the superbowl last year in Detroit. So it seems the very artists you are referencing have a much different attitude than you do yourself. By the way, Michael Stipe of REM released a single along with Chris Martin of Coldplay recently, another example of artist from the '70s (ooops....I meant '80's :) ) collaborating with a contemporary artist. I'm beginning to thing your argument has very little substance at all. NPIMH: Dave Matthews singing "In My Life" at the John Lennon tribute in October 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 10:40:31 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Dylan imitated by 13-yr-old onlyJMDL Digest: > I notice Dylan seems to be agreeing with me of late. Speaking of Dylan ... my son and I were doing dishes one day and Dylan came on the radio. We listened. He said, "Ew! You know what that guy sounds like? Like a teenager whining and complaining to his mother!" And he went on to make up his own lyrics and sing them in the Dylanesque style: "and you MAKE me do ALL this WORK and you DON'T even PAY me ... I still laugh, remembering it, and try to get him to sing it again. Quite cracks me up. SaskKate http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:53:41 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: India Arie Hi Randy. I was not saying that Beck's or Matthew's music is better, or as good as or making ANY kind of comparison. What I originally replied to was the statement that firstly... there is NO good music from recent years and secondly that any new music won't be memorable in future years. I love the music from the period you call the "Renaissance" but in my mind that doesn't mean there is nothing of value in today's releases. Warmly, Cassy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:10 AM Subject: Re: India Arie > The renaissance period was, in my mind, from about 1965-1975. > There is nothing to compare it to today; Joni was putting out a killer > album every year, as was Dylan. The Beatles put out 12 monsters > in 6 years. Hendrix left a trail of genius in 3 years. There are some > good artists out there now, but none who consistantly deliver like > that. > Factor in CSNY, Floyd, Yes, Traffic, The Who; where is today's > "Tommy" or "Wish You Were Here" or "Inner Visions"? > Beck? Matthews? Don't make me laugh. On the other hand, the next wave of > devine inspiration may be > on it's way at any moment; sometimes I think I can sense it.... > RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:55:24 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians I hadn't realized we were on any "side" Andeemac. I hadn't realized we were in a fight of any kind. Silly me! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:53:46 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Music... music... music... This will be my final post on the topic of new music. I own 2,500 + vinyl records and over 600 CDs. Everything from Bach, Zappa, The Who, Beatles, Stevie Wonder, Journey, George Benson, The Section, Tchaikovsky, Steely Dan, CSN&Y and I could go on and on breaking them all down into genres, alphabetically (as my collection is set up) from blues to jazz to rock to show tunes... I also own Dave Matthews, Beck, Coldplay, Apocolyptica (a fabulous string quartet who play Metallica and Faith No More covers classical-style), Chevelle, Trapt, Linkin Park, Tori Amos, Sarah McClachlan, Seal and on and on ad nauseum. If one wants to think of me as "narrow" in my perspectives and tastes that's their prerogative. My point is this: I can love the music that is considered "classic rock", hell, I grew up with it (I remember when I lived in Lancashire and my sister sneaking off to see a band called "The Beatles" in Liverpool without my parent's knowledge) but that doesn't preclude me appreciating new talent. I kept my vinyl in excellent condition and still play it today, especially those L.P.s that will NEVER be released on CD. I won't ever forget seeing Jethro Tull in concert on the "Thick As A Brick" tour, tripping on acid and getting into watching a full grown man in a rabbit suit. My musical history is rich in culture as my family didn't even own a television until I was 13 and radio was the only entertainment to play board games by or play with my Spirograph (which I still have in it's original box). My friends make fun of me for singing along to Nat King Cole, Johhny Mathis, Andy Willliams and Perry Como and wonder how I know all the words to this "dated" stuff. To say there is nothing between classical music and the rock explosion of the 60s and 70s is preposterous. What about the swing era, Tommy Dorsey, Glenn Miller, Louis Armstrong? What about the crooners in the Rat Pack, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin? What about the 50s greats like Buddy Holly, Elvis, Fats Domino and Chuck Berry, the forerunners of contemporary rock and roll? To say that 60s and 70s rock is the be all and end all of music is the more limited view, in my opinion. I LOVE 60s and 70s rock, it's what I grew up with, it represented MY generation when I came from England in 1969 and couldn't understand the dress, culture and attitudes of my peers. Discovering Joni and Jimi and Jim Morrison was the biggest breakthrough in my personal growth I've ever experienced. But, my growth has continued over the years. I haven't stagnated and closed my mind to accepting that there is more to music than classic rock. The fact that I have continued to pay attention to newer artists and embraced those I like and discard those I don't... Jacko Pierce, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Del Amitri, Sonia Dada are all bands that would have passed me by without notice (they passed most people by without notice) and I love to listen to them all. Bela Fleck is talented beyond words and can play more instruments than almost anyone I know. My life would be poorer for not having opened up my mind and my ears to these artists. I understand that they're not to everyone's tastes but then neither is jazz fusion which is brilliant! I didn't realize that by being open to newer sounds I was "narrow" of perspective. I hadn't realized that by listening to new music I had precluded my membership in the fan clubs of anyone pre-1990. Obviously the time frame from 1990 to today is narrower... DUH! But my tastes encompass everything from the 15th century to the 21st century and hopefully for many more years to come. I don't try to compare "String of Pearls" with Pearl Jam... it's impossible. I simply enjoy what I enjoy for it's own value. Some seem to think I'm a traitor for liking anything more recent than 1975. Had I realized that by replying to someone's original denial that there were any redeeming qualities in the state of modern music that I would get cast into the role of narrow minded person who didn't appreciate what I had when I was 14-19 I would have kept my fingers firmly under my ass. Now it's time to let this go and continue to keep an open mind/ear and enjoy what I enjoy without having to put up with adamant incorrect information, closed minds and critical psycho-analysis for my choices Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:51:55 -0500 From: "Steve Anderson" Subject: Sax Masters Without a doubt you should try John Coltrane Ballads. Also my favorite Art Pepper Wintermoon. Beautiful song with strings. Dexter Gordon has a cd called ballads as well. Charlie Parker with Strings. Of course Miles Davis with John Coltrane cd Kind of Blue (probably the most famous of all time jazz cds. Steve Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:29:06 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: India Arie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" > Hi Randy. I was not saying that Beck's or Matthew's music is better, or > as good as or making ANY kind of comparison. What I originally replied to > was the statement that firstly... there is NO good music from recent years > and secondly that any new music won't be memorable in future years. > > I love the music from the period you call the "Renaissance" but in my mind > that doesn't mean there is nothing of value in today's releases. I'm certainly not saying there is nothing of value coming out today-there is actually alot, from Bebel Gilberto to Bela Fleck, lots of good stuff... I'm just saying that there seemed to be a heavy concentration of sustained creativity through those years, with artists turning in brilliant albums in rapid succession. Bob M said: > But Randy - why do you want *another* Tommy, another Wish You Were Here, > another Inner Visions? We've already got those! If you want to hear them, > play them. I didn't say I wanted another...those are just examples of (IMO) masterpieces which were commonplace then, and have no modern counterpart. > Ironically, the closest thing I know of to The Who is the band that YOU > highlighted last week - Green Day; explosive, confrontational, lyrically > wicked, and a drummer who can excite as much as Keith Moon. And they're > just now hitting their peak! Yes, they are all that, but songwritingwise, you could take the 10 best songs in their whole carreer, and it would still pale next to "Who's Next"*. Or try taking the 10 best songs of any modern artist, and making an album that is as good as C&S or Disraeli Gears. And Joni was pumping them out yearly, as was Dylan, as were The Beatles, The Stones, etc... *they might very well agree with that. I think Fiona Apple is brilliant, but it's taken her 10 years to do 3 albums. Bands like U2 have been hit or miss. I guess I'm just saying that the muse was sprinkling lots of fairy dust around during that period. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:16:51 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Music... music... music... Cassy, unfortunately although this place is touted as an open forum with open minds, it rarely is. Nevertheless, there are a lot of very good people here that like to read different opinions and can handle them when they are not like their own. The delete button is for the rest and if you have learned nothing else from Joni Mitchell, remember to use it when you need to. And please don't stop posting, I enjoy your posts and your opinions. One more thing to remember; your opinion is yours, you own it. Dont' have to justify it, don't have to defend it. And if we all had the same opinion on everything, what a boring world it would be. Also, you know what they say about opinions. mack ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:53:01 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Music... music... music... Please forgive me for missing the NJC tag on my music post. I apologize profusely and claim emotion carried me away! Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:04:34 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: CSNY in the casino I am surprised to hear that CSNY played in the casino in CT. Croz is really outspoken in these parts due to our situation with casinos & their expansion & the methods involved in doing so (those who oppose casinos often point to what has happened in CT) & and last year he went to Washington DC to speak in front of congress I think. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:58:21 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: music today The perennial debate when someone claims there is no good music around like there was in (fill in a decade but usually it is the 60-70s that is mentioned). Usually this statement comes from someone who grew up during those times (I did too). However, as good as some of that music was I do think it is hard to separate the state of being young & the emotional & mental freedoms that come with youth (and the whole world ahead of us feeling) with some of that music. I don't think the quality of music has changed today as much as the biz that allows the good stuff to be heard. And in my mind, playing in stadiums is no measure of quality, only a measure of popularity or of a trend. I saw the stones in the late 60s or early 70s in a big place but certainly not a stadium. You couldn't pay me to go to one of those concerts anymore. Well, on the other hand I did go to Joni's (with Bob & Van) & I'd go to the Beatles (if they were resurrected) but that is about it. To me a good song is a good song and there are many many of those being released by amazing artists you would never know about unless you are part of the alternative music listening audience. Anyway, to not even be open to discovering new artists outside of mainstream media is a sorry state indeed. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #243 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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