From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #242 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 25 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 242 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #300 ["Ash" ] Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow ["mike p] Re: India Arie [Em ] Who dun it? [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Denise Kaufmann - "Song For Joni" [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: India Arie ["Cassy" ] Re: India Arie [Andeemac2006 ] Re: India Arie [Em ] Re: India Arie ["Cassy" ] RE: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow ["Richa] RE: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow ["Richa] Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow ["Mark ] CSNY review from Bethel ["Some Millers" ] Re: India Arie ["Randy Remote" ] Funny Joni mention [Penny ] Re: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians [Andeemac2006 Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #300 > From: "Ash > Subject: Pure Sax njc, Dear Joniamigos: This morning I was emailing to a friend in San Pedro, Ca. and she asked; " Do you know of any good saxaphonists, I am looking for a CD of pure sax, something bluesy without vocals - any recommendations?" So I knew you lot would be able to help ??? Kenny G was mentioned. Thanks Ash ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:26:12 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that a) - notches = not just, and 'just' = 'fair', and b) liberation doll = feminist, then we could read the lines as a man complaining to a feminist that she is not being fair to him, (denying him what he sees as his sexual rights?) and in 'revenge', or assertion of his manhood (sic), he 'chains her with his serpent to that Ethiopian wall'. What think ye? mike in bcn np LKJ - Inglan is a bitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 05:12:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: India Arie I don't think anyone denies that there was a sort of surge of music that came out of the 60's and 70's that was.....ummm...hmmmm - how to describe.....STELLAR and mind blowing beyond belief....and in mass quanties, too! That it was really special and a kind of Rennaissance. But its over, so we move on. That's all you can do. Maybe when all those greats you mention are no longer in the picture the scene will free up to allow some new great stuff. Maybe! And in between, there's some pretty neat stuff NOW, too. Lots of great stuff lurking about. Its just that alot of it isn't on major labels. You have to look. Its not being spoon-fed by AM radio like it was "back then". But really, I think thats healthy in a way. To have to ferret-out the good stuff. In history, as in nature, from time to time you get these waves that are just above and beyond what's been seen in the past. And to me, really, the entire mass of American music of the 20th century is that wave. And it sort of crested in the 50's 60's and 70's. That was the end of "modern". So now we have to live with post-modern. Til lots of time goes by and its time for another MASSIVE and socially significant wave. To be honest though, I can't picture the circumstances that would spawn such a wave. Em - --- Andeemac2006 wrote: > -----Original Message----- > >From: Victor Johnson > >Subject: Re: India > > > I like India Arie a whole lot more than Whitney Houston. She does > write > all her songs and also did an amazing cover of "Heart of the > Matter". > She is as good as Sting, Joni Mitchell?? Jackson Browne > whoever...you're > missing my point. > I'm not interested in comparing different artists to each other to > see > who is better. Its fruitless.. I am also open to hearing new stuff. > Sometimes music takes time to gel. OK I will put it another way, Its > a > bit morbid but you cant stop the clock ticking!!!! When Elton John > Rolling Stones, U2, Paul Macartney, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Bob > Dylan, Santana, Eric Clapton, David Bowie, Eagles, Pink Floyd, Bruce > Springsteen, Paul Simon, Rod stewart, James Taylor, The who, Stevie > Wonder, Billy Joel, Prince, Van Morrison, Allman Brothers, and many > old > artists that came out of the 70's die or retire in 10 years time, (if > you > like, Joni) because they physically cant carry on there Musical > carrears > any more, Dont you think there is going to be a HUGE vacum in > music. > I mean when you get down to it I think we know which artists make > the > biggest Box office pay days dont we, and its not India ArieAnd who is > going to play at the big Sports events or play for the President, or > during Political campains, Dave Matthews ???? Some of you talk as > though > U2 is a century 2000 Band, they came to prominance in the late 70's.I > Guess we will have to wait for this sorry event to happen in about 10 > years time, for some of you to see exactly what I mean. This said > nothing > would please me more if 10 or 11 artists of true Quality and > stardom > suddenly jumped to prominance in the next 10 years, and they were > good > enough to keep on writing fantastic Songs and themes for 30 years or > more Yes 30 years this is what were talking in terms of for Elton > John, > U2, Stevie Wonder, and the rest. I ask how many artists that made it > in > the early 90's are still going now with CD's in the top ten of the > charts.I fully accept that everyone has his or her right to there > taste > and Opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:00:39 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Who dun it? OK, somebody out there needs to fess up.... http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=d7898fc8-fd5d-48b4-8c4c-2fb2945cc697 Bob, with eyes on ebay NP: Elvis Costello, "Upon A Veil of Midnight Blue" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:26:40 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Denise Kaufmann - "Song For Joni" Thought I would share this little Joni treat that found its way to my mailbox this week. It's from a 1976'ish LP by Denise Kaufmann called "Dream Flight". What most excited me about the record were the Joni covers (Last Time I Saw Richard & Edith & The Kingpin) but she also includes on the album an original song called "Song For Joni" and on the sleeve she says "For Joni Mitchell, with my love and Greatest Admiration". I've put an mp3 of the track here: http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F506CDAD30201432 And here are the lyrics - how many Joni references can YOU find? Can you be the queen of rock and roll And still be someone's wife? Is it possible to have both dreams And not lead a lonely life? These questions your mind's seeing Can bring you down so bad The answer's slow in coming, Joni - Nothing is all good or bad. It's a thousand miles part Morgantown And breakfast with your lover Now you're chasing some coyote down This cold and lonely raven's your new cover It's a thin, white line to follow Feathered vagabond or queen So you pack your suitcase carefully City satins and bluejeans. And if the dreams that you've been after Have led you quite a dance You'd exchange your tears and laughter Just to give real love a chance It's the raven's life you follow That is teasing you this way A heart once full now hollow Knows what you need today. Can you be the judge of what you feel With all your wills at war A soul that craves the reel - to - real And a good man to cook for? It's these questions your mind's seeing That brings you down so bad The answer's slow in coming, Joni - Nothing is all good or bad... Denise Kaufmann 1976 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:45:05 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: India Arie From: "Andeemac2006" <<< I like India Arie a whole lot more than Whitney Houston. She does write all her songs and also did an amazing cover of "Heart of the Matter". She is as good as Sting, Joni Mitchell?? Jackson Browne whoever...you're missing my point.>>> No one has missed your point. your point is that YOU don't think anyone more recent than the 70's will last into perpetuity. YOU prefer artists from the 70s and that's fine, no one is criticizing your taste, the 70's produced a plethora of lasting artists and memories for most of us. <<< And who is going to play at the big Sports events or play for the President, or during Political campains, Dave Matthews ???? >>> Where the hell have you been for the last 10 years, Andeemac??? Dave Matthews is one of the biggest arena draws of our day! He is very active in political issues especially Farm Aid which has been running for years and for which he is a board member. (heads up Rose, this year in a New Jersey venue). The point YOU aren't getting is that artists like Dave Matthews, Sarah McClachlan, Tori Amos, Lenny Kravitz, Natalie Merchant, Seal, Alison Krauss, Jann Arden, Paula Cole, Holly Cole, Me'Shell NdegiOcello, Susan Tedeschi, Counting Crows, Verve Pipe, Ben Folds Five and MANY more artists were spawned in the 90's. If you can't understand that life didn't end when the acid haze cleared you're missing out on some excellent sounds. And if you don't think any of their music will last, I can't help you. <<< I'm not interested in comparing different artists to each other to see who is better. Its fruitless.. >>> That it is. Times have changed and music has changed with them. The new artists speak to a whole other place in time and history and you know what? I'm in a whole other place in time and history and have tried to move with the times instead of remaining in a cloud of pot smoke. Cassy NP: Rainy Night House (Miles of Aisles version) - Joni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:01:54 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Re: India Arie You said >No one has missed your point. your point is that YOU don't think anyone >more recent than the 70's will last into perpetuity. YOU prefer artists >from the 70s and that's fine, no one is criticizing your taste, the 70's produced a plethora of lasting artists and memories for most of us. Dave Matthews is one of the biggest arena draws of our day! He is very active in political issues especially Farm Aid The point YOU aren't getting is that artists like Sarah McClachlan, Tori Amos, Seal, ,and MANY more artists were spawned in the 90's. >I'm in a whole other place in time and history and have tried to move with >the times instead of remaining in a cloud of pot smoke. - ------------------------------------------------------------------ No people today!! prefer artists of the 70's arnt the rolling stones and U2 the biggest Box Office draws at this moment. and when Paul Mcartney and Elton John tour they get a lot bigger Box Office returns than Dave Mathews And didnt Prince's new Cd get to Number one this year. And farm aid ??? hardly the Super Bowl!!! Sarah McClachlan, Tori Amos, Seal are all artists from the 80's sorry they prove my point!!! I love these artists. As per your cloud of pot LOL I know when I hear good lyrics Ironically like Joni Mitchell dont you think???? are you really comparing India Aire's lyrics to Joni Mitchell!!!!!!! --- and good Melodys like Sting Joni, Elton John, Stevie Wonder Bruce Springsteen U2 have produced, year in year out for the last 30 years. I will use my analogy again has Dave Mathews or India Aries produced an album as good as " Blue " or Sgt Peppers Lonley hearts Club Band, well have they? no. This is the sort of music I would like to see in New releases from two month period to two month Period, Hey I got it in the 70's and 80's. sadly it isnt happening at the moment I dont hope to change peoples opinion all I am saying is that in 10 years time make no bones about it there will be a Vacum of music when all 70's artists Retire or Die. Unless a plethora of New Amazingly new talented new artists suddenly come to the fore, that is. We shall see. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:43:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: India Arie well in that case, the vacuum is already here, because many of the 70's artists either aren't making much new music, are retired completely (Joni), or are making music that's pretty much lame compared to their old stuff. The Stones are still doing it, but I don't see any new Sticky Fingers or Exile on Main Street coming from them. So, we're already in the vacuum. And its not so bad! We're surviving in the vacuum! its not killing us! and there's really neat stuff in the vacuum. The vacuum might suck us somewhere really cool. Em - --- Andeemac2006 wrote: > I dont hope to change peoples opinion all I am saying is that in 10 > years time make no bones about it there will be a Vacum of music when > all 70's artists Retire or Die. Unless a plethora of New Amazingly > new talented new artists suddenly come to the fore, that is. > We shall see. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:51:44 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: India Arie - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andeemac2006" <<< No people today!! prefer artists of the 70's arnt the rolling stones and U2 the biggest Box Office draws at this moment. and when Paul Mcartney and Elton John tour they get a lot bigger Box Office returns than Dave Mathews And didnt Prince's new Cd get to Number one this year.And farm aid ??? hardly the Super Bowl!!! >>> I'm not even going to address this comment, it's ignorant to tell me what "people today" prefer. You can tell me what YOU prefer, that's it! If you want to talk about record sales then lets talk about record sales. The hottest selling music today far and away is Hip Hop, I'm not talking quality of music here, just plain economics. <<< Sarah McClachlan, Tori Amos, Seal are all artists from the 80's sorry they prove my point!!! I love these artists.>>> I beg to differ... the only one of those artists who had any releases in the 80s was Sarah and she released "Touch" at the very end of 1989. The majority of her releases and ALL of Tori Amos and Seal's releases were in the 90s. Easily verifiable on the net. These are ALL 90s artists. Your comment about how many of the artists from the early 90s are still around and putting out music is complete fallacy. I do wish if you're going to debate and throw "facts" into the mix that you'd at least get your facts straight. <<<> I will use my analogy again has Dave Mathews or India Aries produced an album as good as " Blue " or Sgt Peppers Lonley hearts Club Band, well have they? >>> I am pretty sure I read in your last email <<< I'm not interested in comparing different artists to each other to see who is better. Its fruitless..>>> But regardless... YES, Dave Matthews' release "Under the Table and Dreaming" and also "Live at Luther College" are every bit as good as some of the crap that came out in the 70s his songs "Satellite" and "Typical Situation" (just to name two) are brilliant and will pass any test of time you want to devise. I will not get dragged into a futile debate. We'll have to agree to disagree but your narrow perspective is your own loss. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:58:59 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow You know, it's kind of a shame to limit this song with interpretation because it seems closer to poetry than most of Joni's lyrics. But I would guess that it's about the breakup of a relationship. The man seems to be hurling an insult at the woman in the song. He's seems to be saying, "You've driven me to drink. Everyone of these glasses in this room has your name on it"--or your "notches"--they're your "notches," not mine. Now, I wonder what's going on with that Serpent chained to the Ethiopian wall? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mike pritchard Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:26 AM To: list Cc: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Suppose, just for the sake of argument, that a) - notches = not just, and 'just' = 'fair', and b) liberation doll = feminist, then we could read the lines as a man complaining to a feminist that she is not being fair to him, (denying him what he sees as his sexual rights?) and in 'revenge', or assertion of his manhood (sic), he 'chains her with his serpent to that Ethiopian wall'. What think ye? mike in bcn np LKJ - Inglan is a bitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:06:23 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow I'll work on it and get back to you. - -----Original Message----- From: Mark Scott [mailto:mark.travis@gte.net] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:20 PM To: Richard Flynn; 'mike pritchard'; 'list' Cc: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow > You know, it's kind of a shame to limit this song with interpretation > because it seems closer to poetry than most of Joni's lyrics. But I would > guess that it's about the breakup of a relationship. The man seems to be > hurling an insult at the woman in the song. He's seems to be saying, > "You've driven me to drink. Everyone of these glasses in this room has > your > name on it"--or your "notches"--they're your "notches," not mine. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES! Somebody else gets it! I feel vindicated at last! > > Now, I wonder what's going on with that Serpent chained to the Ethiopian > wall? Richard if you can figure that one out, my hat's off to you. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:19:37 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow > You know, it's kind of a shame to limit this song with interpretation > because it seems closer to poetry than most of Joni's lyrics. But I would > guess that it's about the breakup of a relationship. The man seems to be > hurling an insult at the woman in the song. He's seems to be saying, > "You've driven me to drink. Everyone of these glasses in this room has > your > name on it"--or your "notches"--they're your "notches," not mine. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, YES! Somebody else gets it! I feel vindicated at last! > > Now, I wonder what's going on with that Serpent chained to the Ethiopian > wall? Richard if you can figure that one out, my hat's off to you. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:05:22 -0400 From: "Some Millers" Subject: CSNY review from Bethel I thought that some others here might be interested to read that CSNY closed out their recent show in Bethel, NY (site of the original Woodstock) with Joni's Woodstock. Great as this show may have been, I'm confident that it paled by comparison to Joni's in this same location at "A Day in the Garden" back in August of '98. what a sweet, sweet experience that was. http://www.riverreporter.com/issues/06-08-17/head1-woodstock.html (Note that the author of this review understated by 10 the number of years since the original Woodstock concert.) All for now- Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:10:52 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: India Arie The renaissance period was, in my mind, from about 1965-1975. There is nothing to compare it to today; Joni was putting out a killer album every year, as was Dylan. The Beatles put out 12 monsters in 6 years. Hendrix left a trail of genius in 3 years. There are some good artists out there now, but none who consistantly deliver like that. Factor in CSNY, Floyd, Yes, Traffic, The Who; where is today's "Tommy" or "Wish You Were Here" or "Inner Visions"? Beck? Matthews? Don't make me laugh. On the other hand, the next wave of devine inspiration may be on it's way at any moment; sometimes I think I can sense it.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Penny Subject: Funny Joni mention While browsing a rundown of new or upcoming releases I saw this funny Joni mention. Just had to share. Penny **Paris Hilton, "Paris," Warner Bros (Tuesday) She's conquered reality TV, become a tabloid staple and appeared in a couple lousy movies, and now heiress Paris tries her hand as a pop star. Working in reverse -- a lot of today's tabloid and reality stars tend to have an album or two under their belt before starring in their own show -- all the king's horses and men have come on board to teach Hilton how to sing and take a bundle off the Brinks truck that will certainly roll up her door with this release. And if the first single, "Love is Blind," is any indication, Hilton will make Ashlee Simpson look as artistic as Joni Mitchell with "Paris." And here's hoping that Simpson and Mitchell are never, ever used in the same sentence again.** Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 02:20:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Re: India Arie, Slide Guitarists and Singers & Musicians Cassy said But regardless... YES, Dave Matthews' release "Under the Table and Dreaming" and also "Live at Luther College" are every bit as good as some of the crap that came out in the 70s (((((((( so you do think these albums were as good as " Blue " or Sgt Peppers and there Crap????? )))))))))) his songs "Satellite" and "Typical Situation" (just to name two) are brilliant and will pass any test of time you want to devise. I will not get dragged into a futile debate. We'll have to agree to disagree but your narrow perspective is your own loss Cassy _________________________________________________________________________________ HEY its you with the narrow perspective, I have music from the 1960's to 1990's, 30 years or more of music on MY side!!!!!!!! you only have music from early 1990's to today on your side Now who has the narrow perspective. I lived through what will be historically looked back as the Second Fantastic period of Magnificent original music explosion in history. I bought Sgt Peppers on the first day of issue, as did I buy Herjia on the first day of issue, and I got home and looked and read the lyrics from the Gate Fold sleeve for a half an hour even before putting the LP on the turntable !!!!!!!!!!!!!! I notice Dylan seems to be agreeing with me of late. The first explosion being Classical Music, which came to and end didnt it. Lastly and I mean lastly I dont understand how a person that loves Joni Mitchell as you do, cant differenciate between Amazing and average. Last post on the Best Slide Guitarists post from me Pheww*!!?? what a journey LOL ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #242 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)