From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #241 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 24 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 241 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers JC ["Jamie's Box of Paints] ipods and the 70's. SJC [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers JC [Em ] Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers JC ["Jamie's Box of Paints] Jonifest- A clarification [AsharaJM@aol.com] India Arie [Andeemac2006 ] Happy Birthday Love!! [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:37:21 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers JC I love the times when Joni will bend the note. There is a section in 'Trouble Child' which I just have to listen over and over again because she sings up and down everything else but the note. It's only a short phrase and she only wavers briefly away but my god, is it beautiful and effective... I wish I could point it to you so you can listen. But I love her voclas on this song.... I'm at work but I had to post this while I remembered... I know the Aguilera's of this world, who are, yes, impressive with their stylings and range and power but really, heart? No, I think not.... Honesty? There's guts to her singing but not real guts. Much Joni Jamie Zooby > Em wrote: > > > > I'd like to hear her sing, say, "Amazing Grace" without changing or > > embellishing one note. DO NOT EMBELLISH! Sjust this once, sing the > > melody as written. I have NO doubt in my mind Aretha could do that and > > STILL it would be wonderful! But some, I feel, rely on doing this thing > > where they sing every note but the actual note that's called for. Like > > the name of the game is "stay away from that note". > > I guess its a really cool thing, but I feel like its an effect that > > should be used tastefully. - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:50:02 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: ipods and the 70's. SJC I too feel that the 70's were a golden age for music and that has been borne out in meeting my guitar students who, a good 30-35 years younger than me, consistently ask to learn songs from that era. From a guitar perspective it was a brilliant decade, spanning Joni-style fingerwork to Jimmy Page-style electric playing. The whole fusion thing was exciting too (Mahavishnu, RTF, Weather Report etc) and people who were not players were digging it, something that would be very rare now. But I have to say there is brilliant music being made today also and lots of it; the problem is that the whole record business (here we go...yawn...) has become atomized and taken on a strictly bottom line mentality since the 70's. Call it the "post- Reagan business model". Artists such as Elton John, The Beatles, Stevie Wonder and our beloved Joni did not do their best work on their debut albums. They needed an opportunity to grow into their musical maturity and that took a few albums worth of support from a label, who did not drop them the moment they failed to sell platinum. Jonatha Brooke, for example, whom I would rate as one of the finest of current artists, got unceremoniously dropped by her label while out on the road touring her 10c Wings album, her best but not her best selling....dumped high and dry while out on the road!!! Today, there can be no Elton John, David Bowie etc with a 35 year career: the labels simply would allow an artist to grow and be supported for more than 5-6 years. Bjork may be the exception that proves the rule as she made both a brilliant debut album and then followed her fascinating muse into uncharted waters with every subsequent release and is hugely popular around the globe. ON ipods: As a recording engineer I deplore the tendency toward trashy audio that mp3 players represent even as the audio profession is striving for ever better fidelity. BUT, and this is a big BUT, since getting my ipod I have bought and listened to probably 10 times more music per year than I have for the last twenty. And the AAC encoding that is used by Apple is far far superior to the sound of mp3. Don't use the crappy earbuds the ipod comes with and set your importing prefs to encode at a high bit rate and you can have a fine enveloping experience with the music without the smeared swirling sound of low bit rate mp3. And need I mention the practicality of being able to send music over the web? It will never equal listening in the living room to a DVD-A in surround (you have GOT to hear Seal IV that way -:) but the ipod is here to stay and although I too miss the ritual of perusing liner notes while taking in cover art and listening to a great album all the way through I really dig my ipod for times when I can't do that anyway-at the gym, in the car etc. And iTunes itself has been the biggest boon to my teaching I can imagine: anything I want to grab to illustrate a point is one click away from my chair. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 06:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers JC I have nothing against vocal acrobatics...at all! but when thats the only *draw*, then it gets old. imho.. btw your website is gorgeous, Jamie. :) Em - --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > I love the times when Joni will bend the note. There is a section in > 'Trouble Child' which I just have to listen over and over again > because she sings up and down everything else but the note. It's only > a short phrase and she only wavers briefly away but my god, is it > beautiful and effective... I wish I could point it to you so you can > listen. But I love her voclas on this song.... I'm at work but I had > to post this while I remembered... > > I know the Aguilera's of this world, who are, yes, impressive with > their stylings and range and power but really, heart? No, I think > not.... Honesty? There's guts to her singing but not real guts. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 15:07:57 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Re Slide Guitartists and fantastic singers JC Yes, nothing wring with vocal acrobatics but the thing about acrobatics is it should be there to augment the melody not 'be' the melody! I mean I wish I could sing like it but I'd rather have honesty and simplicity! What Joni is able to do (even now) with her (now limited) palette is more gorgeous than any other singer IMHO that can really soar and squiggle around the notes... Thanks for looking at my website! Did you mean my myspace or www.jamiezubairi.co.uk? That was set up by someone and I recently took it over! Go to the photo gallery to see my pics! Jamie Z On 23/08/06, Em wrote: > I have nothing against vocal acrobatics...at all! but when thats the > only *draw*, then it gets old. imho.. > > btw your website is gorgeous, Jamie. > :) > Em > > > > --- Jamie's Box of Paints wrote: > > > I love the times when Joni will bend the note. There is a section in > > 'Trouble Child' which I just have to listen over and over again > > because she sings up and down everything else but the note. It's only > > a short phrase and she only wavers briefly away but my god, is it > > beautiful and effective... I wish I could point it to you so you can > > listen. But I love her voclas on this song.... I'm at work but I had > > to post this while I remembered... > > > > I know the Aguilera's of this world, who are, yes, impressive with > > their stylings and range and power but really, heart? No, I think > > not.... Honesty? There's guts to her singing but not real guts. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 16:10:20 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest- A clarification If you are coming to fest and don't have a roommate, not to worry!! If you are in a double or triple room, you will be assigned one that hopefully will match your temperament. (Thus the question of "Are you a partier?") So, please don't feel you need to wait to sign up if you haven't found a roommate on your own!! Thanks for all the sweet birthday wishes! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:46:02 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: India Arie -----Original Message----- >From: Victor Johnson >Subject: Re: India > I like India Arie a whole lot more than Whitney Houston. She does write all her songs and also did an amazing cover of "Heart of the Matter". She is as good as Sting, Joni Mitchell?? Jackson Browne whoever...you're missing my point. I'm not interested in comparing different artists to each other to see who is better. Its fruitless.. I am also open to hearing new stuff. Sometimes music takes time to gel. OK I will put it another way, Its a bit morbid but you cant stop the clock ticking!!!! When Elton John Rolling Stones, U2, Paul Macartney, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Bob Dylan, Santana, Eric Clapton, David Bowie, Eagles, Pink Floyd, Bruce Springsteen, Paul Simon, Rod stewart, James Taylor, The who, Stevie Wonder, Billy Joel, Prince, Van Morrison, Allman Brothers, and many old artists that came out of the 70's die or retire in 10 years time, (if you like, Joni) because they physically cant carry on there Musical carrears any more, Dont you think there is going to be a HUGE vacum in music. I mean when you get down to it I think we know which artists make the biggest Box office pay days dont we, and its not India ArieAnd who is going to play at the big Sports events or play for the President, or during Political campains, Dave Matthews ???? Some of you talk as though U2 is a century 2000 Band, they came to prominance in the late 70's.I Guess we will have to wait for this sorry event to happen in about 10 years time, for some of you to see exactly what I mean. This said nothing would please me more if 10 or 11 artists of true Quality and stardom suddenly jumped to prominance in the next 10 years, and they were good enough to keep on writing fantastic Songs and themes for 30 years or more Yes 30 years this is what were talking in terms of for Elton John, U2, Stevie Wonder, and the rest. I ask how many artists that made it in the early 90's are still going now with CD's in the top ten of the charts.I fully accept that everyone has his or her right to there taste and Opinion. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 23:56:04 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Birthday Love!! Wishing you a very happy birthday and many many more. Whre the feck is the B-Day fairy and his wicked Floridian assistant anyways??? Hope you had a wonderful and I will spank you next time I see you (just the way you like tooo) Love Paz ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #241 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)