From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #238 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, August 21 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 238 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni's garden and synchronicity ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: slide guitarists [Victor Johnson ] Re: Borderline on YouTube [Bryan ] Re: Borderline on YouTube [Michael Flaherty ] Re: Borderline on YouTube [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #293/Book Proposal ["Anita Tedder" ] Re: The Circle Game (One, Two, Cinch Up My Shoe) [LCStanley7@aol.com] All We are Saying (flick) w/Joni and others [Em ] YouTube video Night ride home : correction ["Fred Hubers" ] RE: All We are Saying (flick) w/Joni and others ["Richard Flynn" ] Great slide guitarists [Andeemac2006 ] Re: Lowell George [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Bonnie Raiit's Guitar Playing [PassScribe@aol.com] Jonifest beds are filling FAST!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:07:15 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: Joni's garden and synchronicity My partner Steph and I have taken over an old house built in 1654 and have spent the past months turning the garden into the kind of space we like to be in and 'tumbly' our garden certainly is. We have even found old statues covered over by weeds. I have been making strings of small mirrors and putting them to hang from all the huge old trees  they reflect the light like stars! Yesterday morning, I paused for a moment to have breakfast and printed out my Joni digest and read Joni likes plants that attract hummingbirds, dragonflies and butterflies. ``Any flying, floating thing is auspicious, a joy bearer a magical messenger,``she says. We have a lot of butterflies in our garden, but, of course, no humming birds in England. However, at that very moment a huge dragon fly  which I have NEVER seen in our garden in 18 months landed next to my coffee and hung around looking at my Joni digest for quite some time! It was a great moment. I remembered all the incidents people have shared here about their lives, Joni and synchronicity. Any more Joni and synchronicity out there? Big love Anita NP Amy Wadge 'Breathe' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 06:59:43 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: Re: slide guitarists >> I've never really listened to Bonnie Raitt's guitar playing. Is >> she good? > > IMO there have been 3 great (stimulating?) slide guitarists in the > rock idiom; Duane Allman, George Harrison, and Bonnie Raitt. > > -- Speaking of Duane Allman, I am going to see them tonight, the Allman Brothers that is. And based on the times I've seen him perform, I feel compelled to add Derek Trucks to that list. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re: Borderline on YouTube Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 13:33:36 -0500 From: "mia _" Subject: Borderline on You Tube I'm just now starting to get addicted to youtube.com (always runnin' behind the times). The Borderline video is my favorite Joni video, hands down! Makes me cry every time I watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4fvbzmDmoM&NR Mia Holy Toledo - There's way more Joni content on youtube than when I last checked. I don't see a way to download the files, is there? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 10:38:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: Borderline on YouTube Bryan wrote: Holy Toledo - There's way more Joni content on youtube than when I last checked. I don't see a way to download the files, is there? Bryan No, although there are, we've heard, some software programs that can capture them. Michael Flaherty Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 13:55:06 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Borderline on YouTube try this ......._http://keepvid.com_ (http://keepvid.com) rosie np: I Don't Know Where I Stand ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:14:27 +0100 From: "Anita Tedder" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #293/Book Proposal Hi Kira/Snappel1984. You mentioned on your email that you'd like some feedback about your article The Circle Game (One, Two, Cinch Up My Shoe). At the end of it you say your "feet hurt." Well, I don't really know quite what to say about the power of your writing in this piece, other than to tell you that my heart hurt to read it. My hope is that your writing is as healing for you as writing is for many others on this list (myself included), who are strangely bound together by the love of the extraordinary writings of Joni Mitchell. Wishing you lots of love and peace Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:27:08 +0200 From: Moni Kellermann Subject: Re: Borderline on YouTube Bryan schrieb: > I don't see a way to download the files, is there? The video files are all in flv format which is Flash video. While you watch a file it is stored in the cache folder of your browser. On a Windows machine this will be: Internet Explorer: Temporary Internet Files which is probably here C:\Documents and Settings\\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\ Firefox: type "about:cache" (without the ") in the address bar, then click the "list cache entries" Sort the files by size. The video will probably be the one with the largest. YouTube flv files are named *.tmp Move the file to a different folder and rename it from *.tmp to *.flv Then get a free flv player: http://www.rivavx.com/index.php?downloads&L=3 http://applian.com/flvplayer/index_martijn.php Enjoy! moni ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:59:59 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: The Circle Game (One, Two, Cinch Up My Shoe) Kira wrote: Sounding like his one-time lover Joni Mitchell did on her live album, Miles of Aisles, when she responded to audience requests for popular melodies by saying, "No one ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint us Starry Night again, man'". While music world expectations undoubtedly differ from those of the visual arts world, Joni's comparing herself to Van Gogh can't help but come off as a bit conceited. Hi Kira, I thought she was just using a familiar artist and painting to make a point. I found it easier to understand, more colorful, than if she had said, "nobody asks a painter, paint your painting again man." you continued with: "Rather, the reason I dislike people quote-dropping this line in particular is that it displays only a sophomoric knowledge of Joni's music - Miles of Aisles is one of her most popular recordings - yet quoters think they are initiating me into the secret mystery rites of Joni Mitchell." Oh so that's what the sophomores think... I see. You said: "So essentially I hate people for falsely believing that they know a lot when they don't." Hate? Falsely believing? Yikes! You said: "I obsess over Joni and her music and I would never make the mistake of getting in over my head with a fellow fan by using shallow, obvious quotes." Never? Mistake? Over? Shallow? Obvious? Really? Wow. You said: "How snobbish and yet, simultaneously, I hate music snobs so I go round and round and round in the circle game (but at least I know alluding to "The Circle Game" is trite) and end up hating myself again." Hating... again? Sounds like it is a dangerous neighborhood in your head. You continued with: "Not only do I hate myself for being a music snob, but also I hate myself on a much more visceral level as well." Visceral hatred for yourself? Maybe Nexium would help. And you said: "When trying to learn Joni's chords .....if I hear a dissonant note, I force my fingers back into position and hold them there, stretching to the point where my fingers feel as if they are about to tear apart. If I make another mistake, I pound and pound on my stomach as punishment." Tearing and pounding... ouch! And you wrote: "I am reminded of my childhood idol, Martin Luther, who was also caught in the cycle of self-hatred." Martin Luther... poor perfectionist. That damn Catholic church was obviously responsible for his self hatred! Fix her Martin, fix her, that whore of Babylon!!! You said" "The same cycle is true of many fourth-century Christian ascetics I learned about as part of my Religious Studies concentration at Brown." Yeah, I heard about this on that religious documentary, "Quest for the Holy Grail" where the monks chanted "Pie Iesu Domine. Dona Eis Requiem" and then the board went BANG! Yeah... You said: "But no matter what they did to themselves and how much they suffered, other sects believed these ascetics were selfish for focusing so much on self-betterment. If their lesson taught me anything it's that no matter what I do, I'm going to lose." Condemned to lose when others believed and said horrible things about them... The power of WHAT? rising up from the grave again! Is that Ozzy I hear singing Paranoid? Or is Iron Man coming? No place to run... oh my! You continued on down with: " I aim to eradicate my obsession about how it would sound to others if they thought I was comparing myself to Joni, and the subsequent obsession about my obsession, because it's all too selfishly focused on self-betterment." Sounds like you got you in a Strangle Hold now baby. OC all the way, good job. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:27:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: All We are Saying (flick) w/Joni and others that flick by Roseanna Arquette is on Showtime On Demand these days...just a heads up for those with Showtime. JONI footage! :) I saw her briefly..I guess it will come back to her. Em ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 00:53:01 +0200 From: "Fred Hubers" Subject: YouTube video Night ride home : correction Hi all of you at JMDL, Simon Montgomery, the maker of the Chronology of Appearances on www.jonimitchell.com contacted me and corrected me on a few details. So I went back to my tape of that broadcast and checked a few things. What was right is that the video was shot in Amsterdam and the guy at the end of the clip is indeed Jan Douwe Kroeske, who does an interview with her after the song. But it was shot in 1988 when she was doing promotion for Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm. To be exact, the name of the tv-show was "VARA's Kippevel" (which is translated as "chicken skin", fyi). By the way, thanks for all the nice reactions I received after my first post! Fred Hubers ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:33:30 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: The Circle Game (One, Two, Cinch Up My Shoe) In a message dated 8/20/2006 4:52:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, Snapple1984 writes: I am in no position to talk, I didn't even start liking Joni's music until a couple years ago Well the list is a great place to catch up. Thanks for the fun. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 17:18:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: All We are Saying (flick) w/Joni and others wow I am so blown away! has anyone seen this? was it discussed ad nauseum around here and I just missed it? Em - --- Em wrote: > that flick by Roseanna Arquette is on Showtime On Demand these > days...just a heads up for those with Showtime. JONI footage! > :) > I saw her briefly..I guess it will come back to her. > Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:56:12 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: All We are Saying (flick) w/Joni and others Cassy even sent me a DVD, which I reoffered here, but no one bit. You want it, Em? - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Em Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 8:19 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: All We are Saying (flick) w/Joni and others wow I am so blown away! has anyone seen this? was it discussed ad nauseum around here and I just missed it? Em - --- Em wrote: > that flick by Roseanna Arquette is on Showtime On Demand these > days...just a heads up for those with Showtime. JONI footage! > :) > I saw her briefly..I guess it will come back to her. > Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:30:19 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #293 My head hurts! Great piece of writing. I was drawn right in which scares the shit out of me. Good luck with the project! You gonna weave Laura Nyro into your web? Best Paz NP-Because I Told You So-Jonatha Brooke > I still don't think I've figured out this listserv thing yet. I'm trying not > to drag along the whole string of messages from last time. I am currently > working on a book proposal about a book about my experiences with OCD, > depression and the mental health system. I wrote a short piece about Joni and > obsessional thinking. I'd really appreciate anyone's feedback if you have the > time. > Please don't jump on me for being snotty! Thanks! > > The Circle Game (One, Two, Cinch Up My Shoe) > > Kira Lesley > > > Until my first psychiatric hospitalization, I never understood the > opening skit of Eminem's "The Slim Shady LP", in which he says, "Children > should not > partake of the listening of this album with laces in their shoes". The > nurses took my shoelaces away when I was 20, a late bloomer. (James Taylor had > his > first psych stay at 17). So here I go, sounding like I'm arrogantly and > erroneously comparing myself to James Taylor. Sounding like his one-time > lover > Joni Mitchell did on her live album, Miles of Aisles, when she responded to > audience requests for popular melodies by saying, "No one ever said to Van > Gogh, > 'Paint us Starry Night again, man'". While music world expectations > undoubtedly > differ from those of the visual arts world, Joni's comparing herself to Van > Gogh can't help but come off as a bit conceited. > Allow me to interject that I am also not comparing myself to Joni > Mitchell, or even just referencing her quote in a self-important manner. I > hate the > many music people who reference this quote smugly, but not because I think > it's pretentious or even because I don't like the quote very much. Rather, > the > reason I dislike people quote-dropping this line in particular is that it > displays only a sophomoric knowledge of Joni's music - Miles of Aisles is one > of > her most popular recordings - yet quoters think they are initiating me into > the > secret mystery rites of Joni Mitchell. So essentially I hate people for > falsely believing that they know a lot when they don't. > I obsess over Joni and her music and I would never make the mistake of > getting in over my head with a fellow fan by using shallow, obvious quotes. > How > snobbish and yet, simultaneously, I hate music snobs so I go round and round > and > round in the circle game (but at least I know alluding to "The Circle Game" is > trite) and end up hating myself again. > Not only do I hate myself for being a music snob, but also I hate myself > on a much more visceral level as well. When trying to learn Joni's chords > (Polio left her semi-crippled and to match her defects from the disease, she > tuned the strings of her guitar to obscure tunings, rather than leaving it in > the > standard EAGBDE tuning), I twist and contort my fingers to grasp the foreign > shapes. Then I strum, and if I hear a dissonant note, I force my fingers back > into position and hold them there, stretching to the point where my fingers > feel as if they are about to tear apart. If I make another mistake, I pound > and > pound on my stomach as punishment. > I am reminded of my childhood idol, Martin Luther, who was also caught in the > cycle of self-hatred. Before his conversion, Martin would beat himself to > the point of near death in punishment for sin. One day, he prayed at the > altar > for several hours. When the chief priest asked Martin why he had taken so > long, he replied that he was taught he must confess every sin, and he had been > very sinful. The priest responded by asking him whether or not he thought > hogging the altar for so long was selfish. > The same cycle is true of many fourth-century Christian ascetics I > learned about as part of my Religious Studies concentration at Brown. Middle > Eastern monks performed spectacular feats, such as hanging themselves off the > side > of cliffs in burlap sacks and living there for years. St. Anthony of Egypt > battled demons for twenty years in an abandoned fort while subsisting on > unleavened bread and water. They fought their own bodies and minds in an > effort to > subjugate them to the soul. When the body and mind were kept in check the > ascetics could perform miracles and truly live out God's will. St. Anthony > coined > the phrase: "My body kills me; therefore I kill my body." But no matter what > they did to themselves and how much they suffered, other sects believed these > ascetics were selfish for focusing so much on self-betterment. If their > lesson > taught me anything it's that no matter what I do, I'm going to lose. > In the case of Joni Mitchell, I strive to discipline my mind and fingers. > Training my fingers is simple, but training my mind takes a bit more > finesse. I aim to eradicate my obsession about how it would sound to others if > they > thought I was comparing myself to Joni, and the subsequent obsession about my > obsession, because it's all too selfishly focused on self-betterment. > The above goes to show how far an obsessive mind can distance itself from > shoelaces. In the mental ward, nurses confiscate shoelaces for fear that we > patients will asphyxiate ourselves - auto-erotically or otherwise. Instead, > they issue plastic ties that poke through shoelace loops and twist to a > painful, cinching knot. If I can keep my mind from obsessing about Joni > Mitchell or > my feet, I am on the path to subjugating the mind and body to the soul. > Currently, my feet hurt. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 20:26:00 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: Andeemac2006 Subject: Great slide guitarists IMO there have been 3 great (stimulating?) slide guitarists in the rock idiom; Duane Allman, George Harrison, and Bonnie Raitt. >>> What about Ry Cooder, David Lindley? The ones you name are good but you've got to consider those two as well.And what about Lowell George. All these guitarists come from a Differnt age and they remind me of one thing,- Im sorry I just cant stop reminding people, how these days young guitarists have degenerated to being a load of strummers or tottaly dependant on Distortion effects and some how," its not cool to solo on a Guitar" anymore, apart from one John Mayer there is nobody.Whats more there is no great Drummers or Keyboard players ( Tori Amos ok) and I dont think there is a decent stand out Singer amoungst any of the current singer songwriters of the last 4 years. you know as good and with the feeling of Joni, Crosby Stills and nash and Young, Jackson Browne, Van Morrison Steve Winwood, Greg Alllman, Bonnie Raitt, Bruce Springsteen, Paul Simon and you know I could go on for 4 lines more!!!! The point i am making is shurly we are due an outstanding good songwriter who can sing play guitar and piano and has a great voice, I havent seen a new outstandingly amazing one in 5 years I honestly think that young people cant be bothered to practice and learn there instruments these days and you know Rap and Hip Hop is fundemently A programmed drum machine that thousands of Studio technicians and producers can programme to any style, most come with V Good Presets.As i have said Music yes Music you know Notation and verses chorus and Melody is going down hill, it seems 80% of music today is how attractive you look, Dont no about you, but most of the bands that play live on the Leno show sound terrible !!!!!!!!!! and everybody claps and Leno goes up and shakes there hands, "Great guys great". I am sorry but I am not going to lower my taste in music just to be one of guys, or to be with the in crowd Belive me I look and look for new artists but find none.So Yes Lowell George, Bonnie Raitte, Duane Allman, George Harrison, Ry Cooder and David Lindley are wonderfull and there all of a generation past, that would seem, has gone forever??????????? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:34:53 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Lowell George In a message dated 8/20/06 3:02:20 AM, "Richard Flynn" writes: > <<< How could you leave out Lowell George (who taught Bonnie _a lot_). > I miss Lowell George a lot. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:31:49 EDT From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Bonnie Raiit's Guitar Playing In a message dated 8/20/06 3:02:20 AM, "Martin Giles" writes: > I've never really listened to Bonnie Raitt's guitar playing. Is she good? > > I think Bonnie's guitar playingbespecially her slide guitar workbis excellent. I think she shines on the blues, where she puts a lot of "feeling" in her stuff. But, not being much of a player myself, my judgement may not be shared by the more proficient among us. Her double CD album "Road Tested" is highly recommended (by me) if you want to get a taste of her work. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 23:56:09 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest beds are filling FAST!!! The database is being worked on because something still isn't quite right, so if you've sent a deposit, it will be entered as soon as it is working again. However, I have been entering by hand all the deposits I've received so far, and the following rooms have been SOLD OUT: 1) NLP1- Northern Lights, single occupancy with private bath 2) NLP2- Northern Lights, double occupancy with private bath 3) ML1- Morningstar Lodge, single occupancy with private bath 4) S1- Single occupancy with shared bath I have a feeling that if this many rooms are sold out after only 1 week, the beds will be gone very quickly. So.....if you are planning to attend Fest and would like a bed at Full Moon, I would advise getting a deposit in soon so you won't be disappointed. For more information, go to: _www.jonifest.com_ (http://www.jonifest.com) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #238 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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