From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #236 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, August 19 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 236 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:need joni help [Dave Blackburn ] Joni Sheet Music [MattJones ] Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Joni Content ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's garden [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni Sheet Music ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: Joni's garden [Em ] Re: need joni help ["Martin Giles" ] Re: need joni help [Em ] Re: need joni help ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Joni Sheet Music [Michael Paz ] Folk Alley ["Cassy" ] Sunday AM streaming Joni tribute? ["Cassy" ] Re: need joni help [Wtking59@cs.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 06:25:46 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re:need joni help Em, Joni likes chords. She seeks out interesting suspensions, chords with in-common drone strings and chords that contain clusters of tightly spaced notes; these are easy on the piano but usually difficult on guitar to play unless you are Allan Holdsworth and can stretch your hand five or more frets. So Joni, undaunted, found she could in fact get the chords she liked on guitar if she retuned the tuners but kept her shapes to a small, easy to remember palette. Sometimes she does strum open strings with an open chord (Passion Play for ex), so your "friend" is partially correct, but mostly she has evolved the "Joni" shape library of 15-20 shapes which use 1-3 fingers and retunes the guitar in various ways to make them sound how she wants. As has been discussed before there is a downside to this. It is hard on the guitar neck to have the tension constantly changing. You either have to have lots of guitars or retune between each song (at least until Roland invented the VG8 digital processing unit that let's the retuning be in software instead of by knob turning. This invention kept her career going 6 more years after she had decided to quit in frustration after Turbulent Indigo). I hesitate to call playing in alternate tunings "genius": it's a practical solution to achieve a sound you are looking for and it is typical of a maverick artist like Joni to reinvent the canvas each time she paints (as David Crosby describes it). She in hindsight saw that it was it a "trap she built for herself". But it has definitely inspired later songwriters like David Wilcox and Jonatha Brooke to use the kind of lush chords in their writing that Joni pioneered for "folk" guitar. hope that helps, Dave Blackburn P.S my offer of the remastered DogEatDog CD/AAC download is still open if anyone else wants it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:01:43 -0700 (PDT) From: MattJones Subject: Joni Sheet Music Hello All! Matt in Athens, dilligently working away at the seemingly endless Joni thesis! In my research, I've made it up to the 80s, and I am experiencing a bit of a conflict. Without going into overwhelming detail (I'll save that for when I finish the thing and you all can read it! ), some issues arose dealing with Dog Eat Dog. I've been trying (in vain) to find a copy of the DED songbook, but the search has been fruitless. Does anyone out there possess the music? If so, please email me and let me know if you 1. own it and 2. would be willing to xerox copies and mail them to me. I would be more than willing to reimburse cost of copying and postage. Thank you in advance! And thank you ALL for your help over the past....4 years now???....and your patience and support on my project! Matt J Athens, GA rats live on no evil star - --------------------------------- Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:41:48 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Minnelli at the Outgames - now Joni Content Michael in Quebec wrote, of Liza with a Z: > She seems to be desperately clinging to something that has, sadly, slipped away. That can be said of so many aging performers. I cringe when I see commercials like the one I saw last night, advertising Styx at some casino in Reno. COME ON, guys! Hang it up! If you've gone from playing stadiums to playing little nothing casinos, it's time to stop. (Some performers should stop even if they're playing "big something" casinos, as well.) Take up a hobby, or write a memoir, or sell insurance or something. But don't embarrass yourselves, and certainly don't ask people to pay money to hear you "sing." I may have complained about this before, but a few years ago my partner Mary and I saw Joe Cocker in DC. He opened for Tina Turner's final tour. We were both embarrassed for the guy; he was jumping up and down on stage, behaving like a buffoon. Note to Joe: Dude, it's long past time to STOP. Cassy wrote: > I wonder whether Joni's decision is that she doesn't want to be a parody of herself and try to recapture what once was. Personally, I think that's exactly it. And while I will miss the opportunity to see Joni perform live again (luckily, I did see her 3 times), I respect and even applaud her decision to retire from the stage -- and from recording, too. Joni has what many others do not: Grace. Lori Santa Rosa, CA ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 15:44:35 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni's garden I'm sure there are many of you who, like me, enjoy gardening, gardens and flowers. We have a modest flower garden out back, and I'm on the board of our local community garden. I always make a point to visit other gardens during my travels, and some places, like England, can even be garden destinations in themselves. However, I digress. A few years ago, a book came out showcasing some Hollywood gardens. It's called Secret Gardens of Hollywood and Private Oases in Los Angeles, by Erica Lennard and Adele Cygelman. I don't know what their connection to Joni is, but she let them profile her garden for the book, which I would like to share with you here. Joni's garden is basicaly a mediteranean-style shade garden. She prefers the look of wilder, slightly unkempt gardens to formal gardens. Her large, walled garden features a porticoed courtyard with a central fountain (the one in the Leibowitz portrait). A Budhist deity watches over her lap pool. There are various sitting areas, one features a patch of lawn and an old garden swing. Brick edging and paths give it a cottagey look. She breaks up the monotony of walls and boxiness by adding statuary, baskets, wallhangings and with features such as her Grotto of Gaudeloupe. A concrete roller skating strip is a hangover from the 70's. (She paved paradise ;) ??) She has a gardener named Richard. In her garden you'll see old camelias, gardenias, jasmine, ferns, fig trees, and many different types of succulents. The blue-grays and sage greens of Saskatchewan gardens are still the colours toward which she gravitates. Jacarandas, crepe myrtles, silk trees and palms shade the residence. Joni likes plants that attract hummingbirds, dragonflies and butterflies. ``Any flying, floating thing is auspicious, a joy bearer a magical messenger,``she says. ``In every myth, we are tenders of the gardens. Ancient cultures knew when to take and not, how to take and not, and they understood the custodianship of plants. My mother always had a sustenance garden. She would tell us that you don't need a psychiatrist if you have a garden. If I'm mad, I go pull weeds.`` ``It's hard to classify my garden,`` she says, ``I don't have that American perfection. It's nice when things get tumbly.`` Her garden remains an eternal work in progress - a sentiment with which I identify completely! You can see some photos by Erica Lennard here, although there are no photos of Joni herself. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B3214E160D99B99D http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A71BE5B9538972FF http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=62528A2E1F30E7A2 http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A4C05D3538CA5FF1 http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=0CAADBCB39196D63 http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=E96769063CDA14CF Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. http://q6trivia.imagine-live.com/enca/landing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 12:23:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's garden Thanks Michael for sharing the photos with us. I just LOVE Joni's home and gardens. It looks so tranquil. Rosie in NJ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 17:26:40 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Joni Sheet Music Apparently there was none... I can't imagine that there won't be either.... On 18/08/06, MattJones wrote: > Hello All! > > Matt in Athens, dilligently working away at the seemingly endless Joni thesis! > > In my research, I've made it up to the 80s, and I am experiencing a bit of a conflict. Without going into overwhelming detail (I'll save that for when I finish the thing and you all can read it! ), some issues arose dealing with Dog Eat Dog. > > I've been trying (in vain) to find a copy of the DED songbook, but the search has been fruitless. Does anyone out there possess the music? If so, please email me and let me know if you 1. own it and 2. would be willing to xerox copies and mail them to me. I would be more than willing to reimburse cost of copying and postage. > > Thank you in advance! And thank you ALL for your help over the past....4 years now???....and your patience and support on my project! > > > Matt J > Athens, GA > > > rats live on no evil star > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found for voice-overs at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 acting CV and showreel at http://uk.castingcallpro.com/u/81749 and on myspace at http://www.myspace.com/jamiezoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:32:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni's garden omg, its so gorgeous! very appealing. I'm so glad to see she doesn't like uptight gardens. Thank you for posting that. Em - --- Michael O'Malley wrote: > I'm sure there are many of you who, like me, enjoy gardening, gardens > and > flowers. ...snip ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:31:46 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: need joni help I may have my facts muddled here, but I think that her tunings do help her with the left hand, as her fingers are weakened from the polio she had as a child. However .. Joni has a tremendously expressive touch when she strums. Just listen and watch as she plays 'Amelia' on the 'Shadows and Light' video/DVD. It's a mixture of plucking, strumming and tapping that combine to keep a subtle, but solid rhythm going, all the while enhancing and counterpointing her vocal. 'Merely strumming' is hardly an adequate description. If your acquaintance can't hear that, well I'm afraid the shortcoming is in the listener, not the player :0) Martin. > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 05:17:09 -0700 (PDT) > From: Em > Subject: need joni help > > what's a good, concise, preferably short webpage that describes the > genius of Joni's guitar playing?? I am having to try and refute > someone's stated opinion that she merely strums and plays open tunings > so she won't have to make "chords". > I know the genius of it, YOU all know the genius of it....but I need to > give a more technical yet simple description. > thanks! > Em > ps am at work so have no time to search much right now...just thought > someone might know off the top of their head where such a thing > exists...maybe on JMDL! lol...who'd a thunk it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:58:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: need joni help Hi Martin, Plus early on, there was actual "picking", no?? am thinking of the STAS stuff. Em - --- Martin Giles wrote: > I may have my facts muddled here, but I think that her tunings do > help her > with the left hand, as her fingers are weakened from the polio she > had as a > child. However .. > > Joni has a tremendously expressive touch when she strums. Just listen > and > watch as she plays 'Amelia' on the 'Shadows and Light' video/DVD. > It's a > mixture of plucking, strumming and tapping that combine to keep a > subtle, > but solid rhythm going, all the while enhancing and counterpointing > her > vocal. 'Merely strumming' is hardly an adequate description. If your > acquaintance can't hear that, well I'm afraid the shortcoming is in > the > listener, not the player :0) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 01:07:16 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: need joni help Absolutely. 'Cactus Tree' springs to mind as a full on picker. I don't know why she dropped the picking style after a while. I'm sure someone else has the gen on that. I took a look at the myspace 'Nightride Home' thing on Youtube - a classic example of her 'strumming' which is quite obvously very sophisticated, and very dynamic too. What a beautiful, surefooted performance. Joni is often underrated as a guitarist. For that matter she's underrated as a lyricist too! (Not around here, of course.) Martin. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" To: "Martin Giles" ; Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:58 AM Subject: Re: need joni help > Hi Martin, > Plus early on, there was actual "picking", no?? am thinking of the STAS > stuff. > Em > > --- Martin Giles wrote: > >> I may have my facts muddled here, but I think that her tunings do >> help her >> with the left hand, as her fingers are weakened from the polio she >> had as a >> child. However .. >> >> Joni has a tremendously expressive touch when she strums. Just listen >> and >> watch as she plays 'Amelia' on the 'Shadows and Light' video/DVD. >> It's a >> mixture of plucking, strumming and tapping that combine to keep a >> subtle, >> but solid rhythm going, all the while enhancing and counterpointing >> her >> vocal. 'Merely strumming' is hardly an adequate description. If your >> acquaintance can't hear that, well I'm afraid the shortcoming is in >> the >> listener, not the player :0) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 23:06:09 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joni Sheet Music Hi Matt I thought I had it but can't find it. I do have Misses which has: Dog Eat Dog Impossible Dreamer As well as the new book with all the songs from DED. Happy to help if I can. Good luck with thesis. Does that mean we will have to address you as Dr. Joni when you are done?? Best Paz > Hello All! > > Matt in Athens, dilligently working away at the seemingly endless Joni thesis! > > In my research, I've made it up to the 80s, and I am experiencing a bit of a > conflict. Without going into overwhelming detail (I'll save that for when I > finish the thing and you all can read it! ), some issues arose dealing with > Dog Eat Dog. > > I've been trying (in vain) to find a copy of the DED songbook, but the search > has been fruitless. Does anyone out there possess the music? If so, please > email me and let me know if you 1. own it and 2. would be willing to xerox > copies and mail them to me. I would be more than willing to reimburse cost of > copying and postage. > > Thank you in advance! And thank you ALL for your help over the past....4 years > now???....and your patience and support on my project! > > > Matt J > Athens, GA > > > rats live on no evil star > > --------------------------------- > Get your email and more, right on the new Yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:25:57 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Folk Alley Now Playing on "Folk Alley" Tom Rush "The Circle Game" http://www.folkalley.com/ This streaming audio is enjoyable when I have time. Cassy NP: Tom Rush ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 00:52:55 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Sunday AM streaming Joni tribute? I was driving home tonight and happened on a radio station out of Kent Ohio http://www.wksu.org/ It's an NPR station and the DJ was talking about a show they will be streaming on Sunday morning, a tribute to Joni with performance both by her and by others covering her songs. I believe he said at 10 A.M. right before Prairie Home Companion but I may have misheard. I tried to find something on their site but came up empty. If anyone knows anything about this broadcast, please forward the info to me. Thanks Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 01:05:14 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: Re: need joni help Perhaps, Martin. But then again, I believe Joni IS recognized as one of popular music's greatest lyricists. In fact, I'd venture to say that most critic's consider them to be her absolute specialty. And when music magazine's and such conduct their various polls for "all-time best (female?) guitarist," Joni often ranks rather highly (...usually, just behind Bonnie Raitt). However, when it came to playing the piano she (unfortunately) could never compare to the furious, emotional brilliance of the great Laura Nyro. XXXOOO, Billy ================================= mlg@ukonline.co.uk wrote: > Joni is often underrated as a guitarist. For that matter she's underrated > as > a lyricist too! (Not around here, of course.) > > Martin. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #236 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)