From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #228 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 11 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 228 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow [Rebecca] Re: another Twisted cover [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Joni dreambook [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: A Case of You [LCStanley7@aol.com] got it [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Misc but includes some Joni Content [Bobsart48@aol.com] Joni citation in local weekly newspaper ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: A Case of You ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: got it ["Randy Remote" ] "Hotel California" review on this flight tonight ["Patti Parlette" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 23:09:44 +1200 From: Rebecca Blundell Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Hey Bob I'd always heard it as 'You're not just liberation, doll', but checking out the lyrics I see I'm wrong. What comes to mind for me is Joni's succession of relationships, and the image of notches in the belt/ bedpost. Are notches in the bedpost for women liberation? A slightly tongue-in-cheek reference to women's sexual freedom? - That's how I'd read it in the context of that song I think. Rebecca > Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 08:48:29 -0400 > From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com > Subject: Re: A Case of You > > (thanks Bob)> > > No sweat, my man - we're all in this thing together. Now if you'll just > explain the "your notches liberation doll" thingy to me we'll call it > even. > > Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:22:44 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: another Twisted cover Hi Joseph - thanks much for the tip on the Twisted cover. I have found quite a few, but they can be a bit elusive since there have been lots of songs titled "Twisted" recorded that are not the Wardell-Gray composition. A search for "Twisted" yields many results and can leave you...well, twisted. I'll be on the lookout for the live Ann Sally as well. Yes, Japanese CD's can be a little pricy most times. Ebay is a good source for them at a more reasonable price, although I admit I have sprung and spent top dollar for quite a few (Takada Ren's "California" being the most recent). I'll be anxious to see if Sally can handle the phonics of singing "unraveling" better live than in the studio. Bob NP: Peter Gabriel, "Blood Of Eden" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Bob NP: DMB, "Ants Marching" (live) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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My sentences are littered with my teacher's circled 'grammar' markings On 09/08/06, Victor Johnson wrote: > I do not agree that "those ones *THAT* ain't afraid" is a > purposeful grammatical error. She simply doesn't care period. The > rules of grammar don't apply at all. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 08:51:24 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: got it Hi Ya'll, I got the Joni Mitchell Complete guitar book finally after ordering it over a month ago. Anybody else get it? Has it really been recalled? Are they going to come to my house and try to get mine back? Should I hide it? It was an innocent mistake on my part to get it because I didn't know it was whatever, but now that I got it, I don't want to send it back. I like it. The cover is pretty but so was the apple in the garden of Eden. Am I going to JMDL hell for this? Save me Joni, save meeeeee!!!! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 09:18:16 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Misc but includes some Joni Content Jim reported "Yeah, that was a fine hour. Were the extra tracks these? Aircheck- Tape Source (UK Broadcast) 12 Hunter JM 13 River JM 14 My Old Man JM 15 A Case Of You JM + JT 16 Carey (w/complete intro) JM If so, tracks 12- 16 were taped from the radio in the UK. No one I know has the playlist for that show; no way to know the order." Answer - yes. Bobsart PS - Obsessive Compulsive Quoting Disorder ? Just because I do that once or twice or three times over the course of a month or a day or an hour ? I think the real problem is that I talk too loose, and tend to repeat myself. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:58:06 +0000 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Joni citation in local weekly newspaper Joniphiles, The Aug. 3 issue of Milford Chronicle, a weekly newspaper of strictly local news for the eponymous small central Delaware city and surrounding communities -- from the same publisher as the daily with which I am employed - -- has this as the top-of-page-1 article (excerpted): Planning could get prettier Milford embraces urban expert's vision By Cathianne Werner-Porterfield MILFORD -- It's been hard to turn on a radio for the past three decades as [sic; "and" apparently intended] not catch this musical verse: "Don't it always seem to go that you don't know what you've got till it's gone. They've paved paradise and put up a parking lot." The song "Big Yellow Taxi," originally performed by Joni Mitchell, seems to pop up periodically with new artists choosing to remake the song, maybe because it seems to have such timeless appeal. It's an issue-oriented ditty that touches on the perils of pollution, and overdevelopment and eventually, love lost. But it could be the soundtrack for the way things may have been, but won't be anymore in Milford. Just last week at the Carlisle Fire Co., Milford residents and city officials sat rapt as they listened to Ed McMahon, a recoginzed national speaker and expert on "smart growth." A home on a tree-lined street apprciates faster than a home in a tree-cleared subdivision, regardless of lot size. And perhaps one of the most important aspects of development, whether it be residential or commercial, is trees. He said developers might balk at first if a town clings to its trees, but new construction and exisging trees can, do, and should coexist, even if that means a parking lot is poured around them instead of on top of where they used to grow. There are no references to American Family Publishers or any TV shows; I think it's safe to assume that the Ed McMahon in the article, a "senior resident fellow at the Urban Land Institute in Washington" ... "who has written 15 books and 150 articles on the subject" (smart growth), is a separate person. Tim Spong Dover, Del., U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:24:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: "Your notches, liberation doll" - Don't Interrupt the Sorrow Hey Rebecca, you said: And "you're not just" the only one who's heard them this way...it's certainly one of Joni's more cryptic lines in one of her most cryptic songs, and it's been discussed here several times and is sort of a running gag when it comes to lyrical discussions. Still, one of the nice things about this group is that it's perfectly fine to re-hash old topics, especially given the constant influx of new voices. I'd love to hear what other newbies have to say about 'Don't Interrrupt The Sorrow'. I think the over-riding theme/subject of the song is pretty clear, but breaking it down line-by-line can be a very weighty exercise indeed. Thanks Joni for the challenge! Bob NP: Drive-By Truckers, "Never Gonna Change" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:28:41 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: A Case of You She's saying "it's all a daydream," but that's not an artful way to put it, right? Joni often puts contrasting things together: dream/awake perils/benefactors blessings/parasites etc. In contrast, some writers are very direct, even when writing about a daydream. James from North Carolina said, >well they tell me it's only a dream in Rio.> >nothing could be as sweet as it seems on this very first day down> (BTW, The album track had Bill Payne on keys.) All the best, Jim Jamie said, >The line that always confuses me is 'It's all a dream she has awake' never made grammatical sense to me but I know what she means, like she's elliding two senses 'she has waken herself' and 'she has awoken the dream'> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 16:35:20 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: got it Got mine this week, too. There is no printing date inside or out-so, is it original or revised? Will there be a revised version? Don't know & no info has come forth yet. The book is quite a loaf-must be a good 8 lbs of Joni songs. No photos save the cover. The beginning of the book has a nice analysis of her tunings, grouped in families. All in all, an essential Jonisong reference, but I want the fixed one if there's going to be one. RR - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Hi Ya'll, > > I got the Joni Mitchell Complete guitar book finally after ordering it > over a month ago. Anybody else get it? Has it really been recalled? > Are > they going to come to my house and try to get mine back? Should I hide > it? It > was an innocent mistake on my part to get it because I didn't know it was > whatever, but now that I got it, I don't want to send it back. I like > it. The > cover is pretty but so was the apple in the garden of Eden. Am I going > to > JMDL hell for this? Save me Joni, save meeeeee!!!! > > Love, > Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2006 02:20:41 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: "Hotel California" review on this flight tonight Bon soir, Joniami(e)s! I've been wanting to share this with you aging children for *weeks* but I had no time with all the traveling traveling traveling and then the crazy campaigning. Now I can be a defector from the petty political wars for a little while. Phew. It's a jungle (line) out there! I had been saving "Hotel California" for vacation so I could savor it without too many interruptions. (Okay, okay -- I must confess to taking many sneak Joni peeks, though, before reading it in its entirety. I plead JMOCD...couldn't help myself!). So on July 20th I settled down into Seat 12B on American Airlines flight number whatever, shut off my cellphone and other electronic devices as instructed, nodded and smiled at my seatmate, took a slug of my water ("don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got til it's gone?" -- safe travels to everyone today!!!), and settled down into the clickety clack, oops, I mean the drone of flying engines. I figured I'd flip through the "American Way" flight magazine to ease me into the voyage as the captain and crew made all their announcements. You never know, there just might be something interesting. (Did any of you see that Mermaid Tavern article in July of, oh, I think it was 2001, in the Delta Sky magazine?) Well, what to my wondering eyes should appear but a review of "Hotel California"! Quelle belle synchronicite! There is a startling (at least to me) description of Joni that made my eyes pop out, but I'll let y'all read it for yourselves. Voila: Hotel California: The True-life Adventures of Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young, Mitchell, Taylor, Browne, Ronstadt, Geffen, the Eagles, and Their Many Friends By Barney Hoskyns (Wiley, $26) British music critic Barney Hoskyns, who previously chronicled the Los Angeles rock zeitgeist in his survey Waiting for the Sun, crafts this vibrant history of the early 70s SoCal scene and the rise of the canyon cowboys and self--confessional singer-songwriters who came to dominate the music of the me-decade. As Hoskyns observes, it was an era populated by an unusual mix of characters: from the earnest Jackson Browne to the brilliant but bed-hopping Joni Mitchell, the mercurial Neil Young to the innocent Linda Ronstadt, and the wickedly ambitious duo of Don Henley and Glenn Frey. Graduating from hoot nights and folk-rock to private Learjets and sold-out stadium shows in just a few short years, they prospered by selling an illusory dream of California as a sun-kissed paradise, even though practically none of the key players was a native of the state. Setting the music and the musicians aside, the story here is really about a dramatic shift within the entertainment industry itself. Its a tale dominated by a new kind of management and executive figures like David Geffen, Elliot Roberts, and Irving Azoff, the first generation of record men to merge an artist-friendly hippie demeanor with a ruthless business sense. Hoskyns provides both a broad overview and plenty of finely etched detail, showing how this small, incestuous community of individuals ultimately came to dominate American music. He charts their path to multiplatinum success and their later descent into madness and death, a farrago fueled by a combination of drugs and rampant egos. Despite the authors best efforts to make a case for the artistic merits of the era, at books end youre left with a feeling that the lasting legacy of this peaceful easy period isnt in the music at all but rather in the bank accounts of those who prospered. Still, it makes for a juicy and engrossing read.  Bob Bozorgmehr from: http://www.americanwaymag.com/PastIssues/July152006/DownLow/tabid/1773/Default.aspx "...the brilliant but bed-hopping Joni Mitchell"???!!! Oh MY! I enjoyed the book very much. The details about the music business stuff were not particularly interesting to me, but the stories about the musicians and their relationships were interesting from a psychological and a sociological perspective. (LOL! I use those words to class up the experience, which was actually pretty "gossipy".) I also liked how some of the chapter titles and subtitles used Joni lyrics, such as "Back to the Garden", "A Case of Me", "The Machinery vs. the Popular Song", "Old Ladies of the Canyon", "Both Sides Then", "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow", etc. Oh, yeah, and the pictures! They are great! Joni sitting on the edge of a brick patio, drink and cigarette in hand, w/ Jack Nicholson in the background; Joni at the window of "Our House"; and "Ladies of the canyon: Bonnie Raitt, Linda Ronstadt, and Maria Muldaur at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium in 1974". Midnight at the oasis. Send your camels to bed. Pleasant dreamland, everyone! Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 22:35:17 -0700 From: Subject: Joni Mitchell Songbook I received the Joni Mitchell Complete songbook today from Amazon. I believe it is the "incomplete" version so it looks like one of the "recalls" may have slipped through to me. Nonetheless is is very impressive and very large - about 11" x 14" and an inch and a half thick. It has tons of her songs from every album and a chart of all her tunings along with groupings of songs that are in the same tuning. (You could play a whole set and not have to retune ;-) If you can see it in a bookstore, you should check it out. It is quite a piece of work (and that is meant in a good way!) Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #228 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)