From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #215 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 29 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 215 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- poetical correctness{ was RE: A blooper anyone?} [LCStanley7@aol.com] Welcome to Alice [Peep Richman ] Joni's lyrics [Peep Richman ] RE: A blooper anyone? [Michael Flaherty ] [RE] Another clip: "The Beginning" '66-'67 from WOHAM ["phenryboland" ] [none] ["60s70sicons ." ] Re: ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 08:00:07 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: poetical correctness{ was RE: A blooper anyone?} From within Kate's post: "I'm draw to those ones that ain't afraid" is dictated by the music, and the lyrics are dependent on the music. It wouldn't sound right without "afraid." She's not writing in iambic pentameter. And it works. It's a song, not a poem. Joni writes songs, not poems (regardless of what Camille Paglia says). Great songs. There's not a wasted word in "A Case of You" nor a wasted note. Curmudgeonly yours Professor Flynn Hi Ya'll, Reading some of Joni's songs without the music has helped me understand the difference between lyrics and poetry. Some of her songs read like poems but some don't. It is amazing how Joni's music brings lyrics to life by painting an emotion on them that I sometimes couldn't get by just reading her lyrics. In my experience, poems don't always make good lyrics, and sometimes I've seen how my poems lose something when I use them as lyrics. My goal in putting poems to music has not been to write songs but rather is to remember my poems. I started putting my poems to music only after my mother inadvertently threw out a lot of my poems, and I couldn't remember them good enough to put them on paper again which broke my heart as if I'd lost somebody close to me. I never wanted that to happen again. I'm not a song writer at all and don't know the first thing about it really. I liked hearing in high school about poets who were not read until after they died. That inspired me to continue writing because I knew I didn't have to "go public" with what I'd written. Similarly, I've never written songs with the intention of performing. I'm not a performer either and don't know the first thing about it really. I'm draw to those ones that are and ain't afraid... wink. I love watching Joni perform especially in videos of her early days; her eyes captivate me. Perform... what a strange word that is. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 05:10:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Welcome to Alice Hi everyone, with a special welcome to Alice. The JMDL is a family of sweet, articulate, feeling souls. We offer our thoughts and experiences with Joni...often writing about a particular song, or a special line of lyrics. We share some personal experiences, too. I know my life is enriched by being a part of this very dear and unique family...welcome! Bo Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 05:42:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Peep Richman Subject: Joni's lyrics Hi to everyone, I've been thinking and wondering about the close, personal relationship I feel with Joni. I doubt that I analyze each line but I know I respond to certain lyrics with emotional intensity. Joni's work springs forth from her personal experiences or personal thoughts about a particular subject. She invites us to respond with our own personal response. Her words and feelings flow...she invites our emotional flow of reactions and responses. I have never reacted to another artist with such passion to the anticipation I feel when I learn of a new Joni release. I marvel as I respond and think so deeply about a particular phrase. The magic within Joni is what I imagine is her invitation to feel so deeply in response to a line, an entire piece of her work. It feels as though she's in tune with some of my personal experiences and emotional responses. For me, Joni is all about emotional response; the awe she inspires as I carefully listen to what I imagine may be the meaning of her work. Just some thoughts.... Love from Bo Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Flaherty Subject: RE: A blooper anyone? I've been thinking alot about this topic. I don't want to say Joni's perfect, but I doubt there are any "mistakes" in that I think she always does what seems right to her at the time. That a word is redundant or doesn't fit a pattern doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. When Schoenberg was explaining his compositional theory to Weburn, the latter was interested, but a little uncomfortable with the idea of writing within a system. Then he noticed that there was a note in a piece that didn't fit the system. He pointed this out to Schoenberg, and asked why the note was there. Schoenberg simply said "I don't know" and didn't seem concerned. It was then that Weburn decided working with this system would be fine. Michael Flaherty - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:44:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "phenryboland" Subject: [RE] Another clip: "The Beginning" '66-'67 from WOHAM [TABLE NOT SHOWN] - -- "The last time I saw Joni was Detroit in '68..." http://www.angelfire.com/pq2/phenryboland/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Alice Brown Subject: Thank you and Jonifest Hi, I wanted to thank all of you for the warm welcome I have received since posting my New Joni Lover on the Block message. I'm definitely going to look into making it to JoniFest 2007. I got to jam with a bass player the other night. I loaned him Mingus so he could learn The Dry Cleaner from Des Moine, I've always wanted to sing that awesome swinging tune. I think it's so cool that Mingus chose Joni to write the lyrics to his last project. I'm a lucky girl. I found my friends. Alice Brown ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 18:16:45 -0400 From: "60s70sicons ." Subject: [none] Hello, I'm Cam and I just joined, under the reccomendation of people in the Joni Mitchell Yahoo! Group. I'm 14 and have been a hard core Joni fan for about a year now. Seems quite friendly and interesting here, glad to have joined! There aren't very many Joni fans my are around, sadly, so it's good to see other people who love her as well. Cam - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Play Q6 for your chance to WIN great prizes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 17:06:40 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: Hi Cam & welcome to jmdl- You are never too young to get into Joni- How did you, btw? What albums do you like? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "60s70sicons ." > Hello, > > I'm Cam and I just joined, under the reccomendation of people in the Joni > Mitchell Yahoo! Group. I'm 14 and have been a hard core Joni fan for > about a year now. Seems quite friendly and interesting here, glad to > have joined! There aren't very many Joni fans my are around, sadly, so > it's good to see other people who love her as well. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #215 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)