From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #214 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, July 28 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 214 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- poetical correctness{ was RE: A blooper anyone?} ["Kate Bennett" ] a blooper anyone? [Victor Johnson ] Re: a blooper anyone? [Smurf ] Re: a blooper anyone? ["Evelyne Dubois" ] Song for Sharon [Kate ] Re: Song for Sharon [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] grief and jack and joni and a box of paints sjc [mags h ] CSNY ["Randy Remote" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:39:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: poetical correctness{ was RE: A blooper anyone?} Well I very much agree... when I am writing with an instrument another force takes over & dictates how the song goes or turns or ends... if I am in sync it is not an intellectual process... sometimes we tend to get intellectual when dissecting songs but the process is generally far from that... if we're lucky! Kate www.katebennett.com >Point 2: Joni is writing song lyrics. "I'm draw to those ones that ain't afraid" is dictated by the music, and the lyrics are dependent on the music. It wouldn't sound right without "afraid." She's not writing in iambic pentameter. And it works. It's a song, not a poem. Joni writes songs, not poems (regardless of what Camille Paglia says). Great songs. There's not a wasted word in "A Case of You" nor a wasted note. Curmudgeonly yours Professor Flynn< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 00:59:31 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Another clip: "The Beginning" '66-'67 from WOHAM Sweet...thanks pat...lucky lucky you... >This is naturally my favorite segment of Joni's history. When we wuz pals. http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=F600D9D926600BC5< ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:43:23 +1200 From: Rebecca Blundell Subject: Joni Mitchell series on Radio New Zealand's Concert FM Hi everyone This is a bit of shameless self-promotion, but there's a 6 part Joni Mitchell Composer of the Week series on Concert FM, Radio New Zealand's fine (read mostly classical) music network, beginning 9am this Sunday 30 July NZ time. The first programme is repeated on Monday night at 7pm and is an overview of Joni's musical life featuring musical excerpts. Then each morning Monday - Friday (31 July - 4 August) at 9am there are 5 programmes which move through Joni's career chronologically, featuring a lot of music from Joni's recordings. If anyone wants to listen in, Concert FM streams live on the net - - here's the link: http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/live/concert If you want to know more about what's in the programmes, go to the schedules page http://www.radionz.co.nz/cfm/schedules, click on each day individually and scroll to 9am to read more about what's on each day. If you do get a chance to listen in, I hope you enjoy it :) Rebecca Blundell (writer and presenter of the programmes and big Joni fan) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:53:41 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: RE: New Joni Lover on the Block Hi Alice, Welcome! You sound cool from your email. I started listening to Joni about the same time as you did. I'm 47 too and teach about the brain, and my parents were both from Michigan so it has always been a home away from home for me. I play guitar and cry and sing... Seems like we have some things in common. I hope you can come to the Jonifest at Full Moon in 2007. Hope to meet you in time. Glad you found this list. Lots of groovy people here. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:19:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: New Joni Lover on the Block - --- Alice Brown wrote: > Hi, > > I just joined the Joni list and wanted to say hi, > etc. Welcome, Alice. You've come to the right place! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:53:44 -0400 From: Victor Johnson Subject: a blooper anyone? > So, I have always wondered, what is up with this?: > > I am a lonely painter > I live in a box of paints > I'm frightened by the devil > and I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid.... I think often songs can be over analyzed. I have always just written what I feel, whether I follow any pattern or not. Often I think, lyrics are better when they just take their own natural flow and are not forced to rhyme or fit into some fixed pattern. Other times, rhyming works remarkably well. In the writing process, it seems to be very much an intangible thing. I'll usually just know when I have the right words. By the same virtue, I don't use theory when I write music. Victor NP: Neal Boortz show ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: a blooper anyone? If I think of these lyrics with 'afraid' left off, I keep hearing a Cole Porter-style, guy-at-the-piano song that goes something like this: I am a lonely painter I live in a box of paints I'm frightened by the devil and I'm drawn to them that ain't Sorry Catherine and I have been a little out of ouch lately, but we've been setting up our new lovenest of an apartment in Toronto. XO, --Smurf - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1"/min. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:51:36 -0400 From: "Evelyne Dubois" Subject: Re: a blooper anyone? From: "Victor Johnson" I think often songs can be over analyzed. I have always just written > what I feel, whether I follow any pattern or not. Often I think, > lyrics are better when they just take their own natural flow and are > not forced to rhyme or fit into some fixed pattern. Other times, > rhyming works remarkably well. In the writing process, it seems to > be very much an intangible thing. I'll usually just know when I have > the right words. By the same virtue, I don't use theory when I write > music. > > Victor - -------------------------------------------- I also tend to think that theory, althought sometimes praticle to frame and vehicule ideas, can be somewhat restrictive for ones freedom in creativeness. Rules need to be bent, even broken, in order to let new ways of thinking/ feeling the world emerge. I feel Joni has always been a dear example when it comes to "modifying" the frame. To me, the power of words, might they be in songs, peotry or stories, is the way they inspire and fuel my thoughts and feelings about things... and not so much what they are exactly ment signify to the creator (though it does invite to many interesting exchanges). Evelyne. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:20:25 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Song for Sharon Can anyone tell me where to direct people to a url where they can listen to Song for Sharon? Kate of the North http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:17:15 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Song for Sharon Kate, yahoo.com has an audio search function; put "Song For Sharon" in the search field and enter, you'll see all the results and the first two have a 30 minute sample. allmusic.com does the same, amazon.com most likely does too. Your friend can hear the whole 7 minutes worth for 99 cents! There's not a url that provides a stream of the entire song. Bob NP: Ani, "Joyful Girl" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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I want to give this some air just now. Me, I'm a student of grief. I've earned my doctorate in the subject over the past few years. The compressed version. Not pretty. Breathe deep, the gathering gloom. Watch as lights fade. The whole thing intrigues me. Why does grief need to be compartmentalised, shoved into a crack in the sidewalk or slammed hard into a corner, or stuffed inside a box of paints perhaps. Maybe Joni splays the awkward lyrics because many a song on Blue cries out with emotional dissonance . It hurts. And so does losing Jack. Grief needs air. Grief need not be qualified. Or quantified...Ron, if you are feeling all over the map because of the news of Jack's death...sobeit. Know that you are not alone there. Rage rage against that good night. In my experience, when someone questions your reactions to a death; said person may be trying to make sense of their own stormy sorrow . Mags npimh: don't interrupt the sorrow~ damned right~ - ----- what would you attempt to do if you knew you could not fail? - ----- - --------------------------------- See the all-new, redesigned Yahoo.com. Check it out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:31:31 -0400 From: "anon anon" Subject: RE: Great Hejira review in NYT. I just listened to "Hejira" today... there are so many great, quotable lines from the album, even from the title song alone... >From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com >Reply-To: MINGSDANCE@aol.com >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Great Hejira review in NYT. >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:13:38 EDT > > In Fridays New York Times 7/21/2006 Stephen Holden's front page "Weekend >Arts" "Vacation Packing: A Pocketful of Musical Gems" > >online: The Songs Of Summer >Audio clips to go with Stephen Holden's summer vaction playlist: > > > " A classic example of this introspective pop with panoramic vision is >Ms. >Mitchell's "Hejira." Thirty years after that album was released,it still >stands as a high artistic watermark of the singer-songwriter movement. Its >greatness owes almost as much to its sound as to its literary content. The >dialogue >between Ms. Mitchell's agitated rythm guitar and the responsive electric >bass of >Jaco Pastorius creates a spontaneous, erotically charged give and take >between a woman and man(or between the singer's feelings and thoughts) as >she flees >a failed relationship by going on the road alone. These sprawling internal >monolouges, crammed with rich poetic detail, reflect on love, death, change >and >personal choice with candor and depth that remain unsurpassesd among >singer-songwriters." > >Peace >Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:01:40 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: CSNY Just got back from a blistering show in the SF bay area--Well over 100 deg, too! Just too many high points to mention-but the first thing I noticed arriving during the 2nd song was that Blend....Neil manages to fit his voice in there just right.... at one point it was just him and Stills doing "Treetop Flyer" on their Martins in drop-D. It was a guitar lover's dream, too-Neil had Blackie, there were Martins, Strats, Teles, Grestch, White Falcons, ... They did Woodstock for the encore...also leaned heavily on Neil's "Living With War" songs (complete with trumpet player), the words to "Let's Impeach The President" were on the large screens on both sides of the stage, and the crowd DID sing along,clips of Bush TV moments played to the chorus "Flip, Flop"...in fact pretty much all the songs had some kind of political statement, although they did a nice "Our House" with Graham on upright piano, Neil on acoustic, Stills on big hollowbody electric, Ben Keith on pedal steel. They skipped some of the big hits; no Judy Blue Eyes, Carry On. No Joni mentions, but I wore my TI shirt with the Van Gogh self portrait. Man was it hot. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #214 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)