From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #196 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 196 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Joni Songbook ["Kate Bennett" ] SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [IMPORTANT, Please Read] [simon@icu.com] SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [pt-2] [simon@icu.com] "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] [simon@icu.co] Re: SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [IMPORTANT, Please Read] [RoseMJoy@] Hotel California by Barney Hoskyns ["Lindsay Moon" ] Re: SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [IMPORTANT, Please Read] ["Randy Re] Re: "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] ["Lama \(] Re: "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] [Michael ] Re: "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] [Monafitz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 01:52:06 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook >I quick peek at her VG8 would settle it eh? Anybody know how to break into her garage?< LOL, perfect solution if she had all of her songs programmed... >Speaking of Joni's chords and the hand positions to play them I'm finding that many of her songs that are not dropped below E can be played note for note in regular tuning if you don't mind the reach of a bigger chord. Any other guitarists on the list care to weigh in on this? Dave Blackburn San Diego < I'm not adept at reaching but there is something about open tuning that I have always loved... the drone of the chords that I don't think is possible to play (in my experience) in regular tuning ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:22:14 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [IMPORTANT, Please Read] last thurdsay Jim Leahy posted the following regarding the new SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" > This looks like the book Joel Bernstein has been working on for years, different > from the earlier 'Complete.' Go to Amazon.com, where you'll find this: > > BOOK DESCRIPTION > For the first time, a complete edition featuring 157 songs from Joni Mitchell's > 17 original studio releases. All songs feature correct tuning information (for Joni's > 50 guitar tunings) and correct guitar chord fingerings--all provided direct from Joni's > musical archivist, Joel Bernstein. in another post and a personal eMail message to me, Jim L'Hommedieu writes > Is this book for real? Is it just a project or is it really available? > Joel's site, http://www.joelbernstein.com/public.html doesn't have anything about it. > Scroll to "Books - Selected Titles." well the book is real, BUT, there IS a Problem. six weeks ago, when i first became aware of this SongBook, i noticed the Jack Robinson photograph on the cover, didn't pay sufficient attention, and just asssumed it was another cheap rehash of one of the previous compilations. it never occured to me that a SongBook of Joel's transcriptions would not have one of Joel's photos on the cover. we'd discussed this project on a number of occasions and its completion was something that remained on his To-Do list, along with a variety of other projects he's currently working on. on friday, upon reading Jim Leahy's post and the quote from amazon.com, i realized that something was up. so i forwarded the message along with some additional info to Joel and left a message on his answering machine since he wasn't home. when he returned my call i could sense the anger and a profound dissappointment in his tone of voice. WE had no idea that publication of Joel's transcriptions was imminent. WE have no idea how this project ended up with the Alfred Publishing Co. Joel was working with the Warner Music Group (as Joni's representative). clearly some arrangement/deal was worked out between Warner Bros and Alfred Publishing. we have no idea what that arrangement is, when it was made, or why. Joel was NOT aware of this "Joni Mitchell Complete" SongBook until my eMail message and phone call on friday. he was never informed of its imminent publication and was never sent galley proofs for final approval. Alfred Publishing didn't send him a copy either and he still hasn't seen it. The Problem? Joel WASN'T finished. corrected transcriptions for -2- of Joni's albums have not yet been submitted, and -2- essays he intended for inclusion have not yet been written. the published transcriptions for "Hejira" and "Taming The Tiger" Are WRONG! there were numerous mistakes in the most recent files sent to Joel by the folks at Warner Music. telephone calls were made to Joni's management late friday afternoon and messages were left informing them of the problem. nothing can be done to rectify this situation until Joel speaks with management on monday and they've had time to communicate with both the Warner Music Group and the Alfred Publishing Co. at this point in time ... I STRONGLY suggest that JMDL members NOT! purchase this book, at least not for the week or two. ideally we like to see this SongBook recalled so Joel can make his final revisions and corrections. hopefully the publishers will be willing to do the right thing. there's no question that "Joni Mitchell Complete" (Guitar Songbook Edition), should be accurate, and definitive. that's been the guiding principal. getting it right was more important than getting it done quickly. premature publication is most unfortunate. andmoreagain, simon [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of Alfred Publishing Co.pdf] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:22:25 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [pt-2] on friday Jim Leahy posted the following regarding the new SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" > I spent a bit of time perusing Joni Mitchell Complete last night and have > found a couple of anomalies: It gives Barangrill and Passion Play as being > in D tuning (DADF#AD). The left-hand fingering they give for Barangrill > is pretty counterintuitive, requiring chord shapes that I don't think Joni > could have (would have) played -- they're awkward as hell. In the version > in the For the Roses songbook the tuning is given as DACF#AD, which > always struck me as being right. The Passion Play error is baffling since > Joel Bernstein himself transcribed the song in the NRH songbook. Jim, i read your message to Joel when he called last night. your observation makes sense. he thinks you're probably correct although he didn't have time to check his files. this seems to indicate that changes were made to his transcriptions 'after' submission, a continuing problem during this process. keep in mind, Joel's transcriptions are sent to the person doing the musical notation and then on to Warner Music. on a number of occasions, incorrect changes were made by those who think they know better. > I hope and pray I don't find many more of these oddities. send them to me if you do. i'll forward them to Joel. > I guess if we wanted the most authoritative tabs we'd have > to go to Joni herself, but something tells me she just don't remember. Joni Doesn't! remember (all) the tunings. Joni Doesn't! know tablature. it's Joel who input her tunings into the Roland VG8 Guitar Synth, and teaches her the tunings she's forgotten. andmoreagain, simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 09:42:52 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] Jim L'Hommedieu writes, > Re: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete" (Guitar Songbook Edition) > > If we (JMDLers) put together one big order (a dozen books), > does anyone here know how to get a quantity discount? Michael Paz writes, > Re: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete" (Guitar Songbook Edition) > > Hi Jim and Everyone > > Just catching up on the list. I buy directly from the Alfred folks so I am > sure that I can get a discount. I will call them on Monday and find out > what the deal is. I will post something on Monday and see if we want > to do a mass order. Jim and Michael, i'll leave this up to you and other interested parties, BUT once you've read my previous message you might agree that it's probably a good idea to delay purchase of this SongBook. hopefully we'll know by the end of the week, whether, when and how the problems >:-o with the "Joni Mitchell Complete" SongBook will be addressed and corrected. andmoreagain, simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:46:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [IMPORTANT, Please Read] That's how.... LOS ANGELES, CAbJune 1, 2005--Alfred Publishing Co., Inc. announced today it has completed the acquisition of Warner Bros. Publications from Warner Music Group Corp. (NYSE: WMG). The sale was announced on December 16, 2004. Warner/Chappell Music, a global music publisher, remains a division of WMG. The print music business of WMG's Word Music, the industry's premier source for church hymnals, choral music and associated instrumental music, is not included in this sale. Warner Bros. Publications, based in Miami and the U.K. , prints and distributes a broad selection of sheet music, books and educational materials, folios, orchestrations and arrangements, and tutorials and methods. In addition, Warner Bros. Publications markets printed versions of Warner/Chappell musical compositions and other popular songs throughout the world. With offices in the U.S. , the U.K. , Germany , Singapore and Australia , and a roster of renowned authors and composers, Alfred Publishing is a global operation with more than 80 years of uninterrupted growth. Under the completed agreement, Alfred Publishing has now acquired the entire Warner Bros. Publications business and commenced a long-term, exclusive print license agreement with Warner/Chappell. Under the license agreement, Alfred has the right to continue to print and distribute editions of musical compositions administered by Warner/Chappell. The transaction had already been cleared under the Hart-Scott-Rodino Act. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:49:16 -0700 From: "Lindsay Moon" Subject: Hotel California by Barney Hoskyns I liked this book very much, although I'd have to say that some of the people they talked about in detail I know the names but not the music (like Lowell George and Little Feat I've heard Bonnie Raitt and Linda Ronstadt speak of glowingly but am not familiar with anything they've done other than what those two have covered. And Gene Clark I'm not that familiar with but there was quite a lot about him.) Lowell George was the one who "told Linda she could sing." Uh, what? Was there some question for God's sake? It was an amazing time in music history to have that much talent in that small an area and the people who left one successful band, joined another, etc. Before I'd even gotten partway through it, I was in -- of all places - -- a bathing suit shop in Chatham, Mass. last week waiting while my daughter tried on several bikinis. What came on the stereo but Jackson Browne's "Late for the Sky." I hadn't listened to that since high school and I knew every word again and was nearly in tears . okay, I was in tears . all over again. I can't stand anything he did beyond that but that album was genius. The gossip (shield your eyes if you don't want to go into this!): Hoskyns says that Joni and then-married Graham had a fling in England on one of her tours over there. I'd always been under the impression that they'd met later in California through Crosby. Next gossip is that Linda Ronstadt had a serious romantic relationship with womanizer J. D. Souther but came home one day to find none other than Joni leaving the house. Needless to say, Ronstadt was devastated and broke up with him. I can't imagaine she and Joni ever patched things up. Another was that Don Henley dated Stevie Nicks, she got pregnant, she was pressured to have an abortion, and that's what the song "Sara" was about. I can't believe I never knew that. But, as I said, it was depressing to get into the part where drugs were getting the best of many of them and that some of the once important relationships fell apart. For instance David Geffen saying something like if he never talked to Joni again that would be fine with him. Too bad (although maybe not in light of his becoming a greedy, self-centered sob.) That's my report. Worth the read and takes you back to that time which was enjoyable for me. Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:25:22 -0700 From: "Randy Remote" Subject: Re: SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [IMPORTANT, Please Read] SongBook "Joni Mitchell Complete" [IMPORTANT, Please Read]Simon, thanks for the valuble information- I guess I'll be sending mine back to Amazon-hopefully, as you say, the publisher will do the right thing, and reprint them. RR ----- Original Message ----- From: simon@icu.com well the book is real, BUT, there IS a Problem. The Problem? Joel WASN'T finished. corrected transcriptions for -2- of Joni's albums have not yet been submitted, and -2- essays he intended for inclusion have not yet been written. the published transcriptions for "Hejira" and "Taming The Tiger" Are WRONG! there were numerous mistakes in the most recent files sent to Joel by the folks at Warner Music. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 16:59:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lama \(Jim L*Hommedieu\)" Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] Gees, what a mess. I have never met Joel but it's a shame his project was handled like this. "When the going gets weird the weird turn pro." Hunter S. Thompson All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu Dayton, OH ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 20:02:13 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] > WoW Simon! This is a real drag for Joel not to mention Joni who is probably > cringing as we speak. I am so sorry to hear this. I wonder if he was ever paid > for any of his research and stuff like that ( not to mention his original > transcriptions). I would love to meet him someday. > Why do these corporate types continue to make the same stupid mistakes over > and over in the name of making a buck. I will hold off on ordering anything > from these wads until we can find out the real story. Keep me informed! You > would think somebody would do a little research and follow up before pressing > the send butt > > > Jim L'Hommedieu writes, > > >> > Re: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete" (Guitar Songbook Edition) >> > >> > If we (JMDLers) put together one big order (a dozen books), >> > does anyone here know how to get a quantity discount? > > > Michael Paz writes, > > >> > Re: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete" (Guitar Songbook Edition) >> > >> > Hi Jim and Everyone >> > >> > Just catching up on the list. I buy directly from the Alfred folks so I am >> > sure that I can get a discount. I will call them on Monday and find out >> > what the deal is. I will post something on Monday and see if we want >> > to do a mass order. > > > > Jim and Michael, > > i'll leave this up to you and other interested parties, BUT > > once you've read my previous message you might agree that > it's probably a good idea to delay purchase of this SongBook. > > hopefully we'll know by the end of the week, whether, when and how the > problems >:-o with the "Joni Mitchell Complete" SongBook will be addressed > and corrected. > > > > > andmoreagain, > simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 21:39:15 EDT From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: "Joni Mitchell Complete" [Group Purchase, NOT a good idea?] In a message dated 7/9/2006 9:08:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, michael@thepazgroup.com writes: I will hold off on ordering anything > from these wads until we can find out the real story Yes, everyone should hold off. If not, what impetus would these corporate "wads" have for reprinting the music correctly when people are willing to buy it incorrectly. Cheers, Mona Mona A. Fitzgerald, JD Windsor, CT 06095 USA ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #196 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)