From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #195 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, July 9 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 195 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Joni Songbook ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #194 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: New Joni Songbook [Dave Blackburn ] Hotel California, other summer reading, sjc ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: JackoPierce reference, Joni DVDs, etc... [Bob Muller Subject: New Joni Songbook Strangely, Joni's not the ultimate authority on her own tabs. Many times (as far back as the so-called Second Fret tapes) she's said that she "loses" tunings. She said when she "loses" one she goes to the ultimate source, her memory trust, her sometime photographer, sometime guitar tech, Joel Bernstein. I'm glad the book is really, warts and all. May if you write to the author, and enough players find out about the book, he'll have corrections in a 2nd printing. "Lord, we give thanks this day for a new book on Joni's gift." Amen, Lama J. Leahy said in part, >I spent a bit of time perusing Joni Mitchell Complete last night and have found a couple of anomalies: I hope and pray I don't find many more of these oddities. I guess if we wanted the most authoritative tabs we'd have to go to Joni herself, but something tells me she just don't remember.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:49:17 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #194 In a message dated 07/08/2006 3:09:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org writes: Subject: Hotel California by Barney Hoskyns Has anyone read this and if so have they written in about it? I just finished it on my vacation and enjoyed it (well, except for the depressing pall that settles in after you go through all the exciting coming into success part and move into the drugs really have gotten the better of us part). Actually learned some new (but very gossipy) things about Joni. Lindsay I read it. It was a quick read - and very gossipy. For that reason I loved it - but couldn't take it all that seriously. I was fascinated by the Gram Parson information because there seems to be so little written about him and he's one of my favorites. Joni doesn't come off particularly good or bad. I never knew about her and J.D. (who, if I took this book seriously would have come down a peg or two in my mind). Geffen comes off as a big baby.A big rich baby, and Elliot Roberts came across as a decent dude. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:49:48 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:47:50 -0400 > From: "James Leahy" > Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook > > I hope and pray I don't find many more of these oddities. I guess > if we > wanted the most authoritative tabs we'd have to go to Joni herself, > but > something tells me she just don't remember. > > Jim I quick peek at her VG8 would settle it eh? Anybody know how to break into her garage? Speaking of Joni's chords and the hand positions to play them I'm finding that many of her songs that are not dropped below E can be played note for note in regular tuning if you don't mind the reach of a bigger chord. There are many songs with lovely minor 11 clusters (for ex) that must be played in her tunings but one can cut down a bit on the number of guitars/or tuning downtime needed for a Joni set by stretching the hand out a bit. It saves the guitar necks too. I'm realizing that Joni was a rather simplistic guitarist from a finger/ hand perspective but with a highly advanced ear that led her to "turn the knobs" to get chords she liked instead of learning new shapes. In other words she'd play her usual one or two finger shapes and retune the guitar to make new chords for each song, a "trap" she built for herself as she called it in Woman of Heart and Mind. We do over 20 Joni tunes in our "The Songs of Joni Mitchell" show and I'm getting by with five guitars and no retuning between. Any other guitarists on the list care to weigh in on this? Dave Blackburn San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:52:48 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Hotel California, other summer reading, sjc Lindsay asked: "Has anyone read this and if so have they written in about it?" I believe Richard Flynn read it and gave it a "thumbs up". Thanks for mentioning this, Lindsay. Joni gossip, you say? Enquiring JMOCDed minds want to know! Your post put a voice in my head that said: "Buy yours NOW!" so I just went to Amazon and ordered it. The complete title is: "Hotel California : The True-life Adventures of Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young, Mitchell, Taylor, Browne, Ronstadt, Geffen, the Eagles, and Their Many Friends" by Barney Hoskyns Since I'm seeing six (count 'em: six! Yee hah!!!) of these legends this summer, this is all the more a "must read" for mei. Ah, summer. Time for reading. I'm just finishing "Teacher Man" by Frank McCourt and it's very good. I recommend it, especially to teachers and anyone who loves Irish wit. McCourt is very honest, and sometimes makes me laugh out loud. (Ha! I did that on a plane recently while reading this one, which led to a discussion with the nice lady across the aisle who also wanted to read it. Our talking as it rambled led to Joni -- wonder how??? -- and the JMDL and the Carnegie Hall Tribute and the lady actually "got it" because she's on the Jerry Jeff Walker discussion list....very cool!) Another great one is "A Year of Magical Thinking" by Joan Didion. There is something very "Joni" (FTR-ish) about her writing, which is so emotionally honest without being maudlin or morose or self-pitying. It's about the year after the death of her husband --- "the weeks and then months that cut loose any fixed idea I ever had about death, about illness....about marriage and children and memory....about the shallowness of sanity, about life itself." We recently discussed here the fact that she wrote "Slouching Towards Bethlehem", and I think it was Patti W. who recommended some of her other works. (Note to self: DAMN! Why didn't you add some Joan Didion to your just-placed Amazon order? "Democracy" would be timely, and the classic "Book of Common Prayer".) One line in AYOMT in particular made me think of Joni: "Grief turns out to be a place none of us know until we reach it." ("People will tell you where they've gone, they'll tell you where to go, but until you get there yourself, you never really know.") May you all enjoy this summer season of reading. "Love is a story told", as someone once said. Love, Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:09:21 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete, Guitar Songbook Edition" Hi Jim and Everyone Just catching up on the list. I buy directly from the Alfred folks so I am sure that I can get a discount. I will call them on Monday and find out what the deal is. I will post something on Monday and see if we want to do a mass order. Best Paz > If we (JMDLers) put together one big order (a dozen books), does anyone here > know how to get a quantity discount? > > All the best, > Lama > > Jim Leahy said, >> > This looks like the book Joel Bernstein has been working on for years, > different from the earlier 'Complete.' Go to Amazon.com, where you'll find > this: > > http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0739042114/ref=nosim/002-5263840-3890424?ca > mp=2025&dev-t=D26XECQVNV6NDQ&link%5Fcode=xm2&n=283155 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:41:13 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook HI Dave As I am in the industry I had a lot of first hand knowledge about the VG-8 from the moment it was announced. I immediately thought of Joni as someone who would benefit from it's charms. I bought as used one for $750 if memory serves which was still expensive for me at the time. The started out being $2,995.00 retail from Roland. I continue to use the VG-8 a lot with 2 different Parker guitars and I have a Roland Ready strat. Several years back when I was attending a NAMM convention in Anaheim I ran into Gary Cook who was working for Yamaha at the time (having left Roland a couple years before that). He was one of the product specialists on the Roland VG-8 and did a lot of programming for it as well as was the person that helped Joni set hers up and came with her to New Orleans when she debuted the thing at the Jazz Fest. Check out some of his stuff here: http://vg-8.com/files/patches/Gary%20Cooks%20Demo%20Patches/ Gary and I became friends and I convinced him to give me some of Joni's actual patches which he did (although not many). He explained that she thinks of things in clusters and groupings and could easily do many songs with like 5 guitars like you. Also, I worked on programming some tunings for performance artist John Kelly. John was kind enough to give me a stack of Joni's charts that are in Joni's hand with all kinds of notes. I believe he got them from Robbie Cavolina. I have been looking for those charts which are buried in my stuff somewhere. I would love to come hear you guys play next time I come to Anaheim which is usually every January. Best Paz NP-Happiness if The Best facelift- JM > On Jul 8, 2006, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 08:47:50 -0400 >> From: "James Leahy" >> Subject: Re: New Joni Songbook >> >> I hope and pray I don't find many more of these oddities. I guess >> if we >> wanted the most authoritative tabs we'd have to go to Joni herself, >> but >> something tells me she just don't remember. >> >> Jim > > I quick peek at her VG8 would settle it eh? Anybody know how to break > into her garage? > > Speaking of Joni's chords and the hand positions to play them I'm > finding that many of her songs that are not dropped below E can be > played note for note in regular tuning if you don't mind the reach of > a bigger chord. There are many songs with lovely minor 11 clusters > (for ex) that must be played in her tunings but one can cut down a > bit on the number of guitars/or tuning downtime needed for a Joni set > by stretching the hand out a bit. It saves the guitar necks too. I'm > realizing that Joni was a rather simplistic guitarist from a finger/ > hand perspective but with a highly advanced ear that led her to "turn > the knobs" to get chords she liked instead of learning new shapes. In > other words she'd play her usual one or two finger shapes and retune > the guitar to make new chords for each song, a "trap" she built for > herself as she called it in Woman of Heart and Mind. We do over 20 > Joni tunes in our "The Songs of Joni Mitchell" show and I'm getting > by with five guitars and no retuning between. > > Any other guitarists on the list care to weigh in on this? > > Dave Blackburn > San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:10:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: JackoPierce reference, Joni DVDs, etc... Hi Angela - I've been sitting on your message for a couple of days, on vacation with limited internet access. I'm glad you're digging the new Big Yellow Taxi CD, hopefully soon it will also be available on itunes for you downloaders & ipodders out there. The only other covers I know of are both of Carnival in Kenora...our own Gary Zack cut a studio recording of it and also a lounge act called The Difference played a rendition of it in their show and we have a nice recording of their performance. Joni also recorded a demo recording of it. We have recordings of Joni singing all three, which was what gave Henning the idea in the first place. The only real "history" around any of them that I'm aware of is around "The Way It Is" which she wrote (and sang) as the theme song for a CBC TV show of the same name in December 1967. The other two she wrote and performed in concerts frequently in that early period. Bob NP: Pylon, "Gyrate" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 18:46:26 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Joel Berstein's "Joni Mitchell Complete, Guitar SongbookEdition" When this mass order is confirmed, I'll send out a daily post for a week on the big list. I guess the little list should get one bulletin too, to include Henning & others. Does anyone have a current email address for any other these collectors / guitarists? Pearl, Marian, Terry M., Catgirl, Marsha D., Nikki, Yael, Bill D., Cloud9, Gregg C., Sue Mc., the Mixons, Bryan T, Jenny G.. I have email addresses for: Anne S., Marcel, Ashara, Lucy, Patti W, & Cindy V. Jim L'Hommedieu BTW, this site map is mighty handy: http://www.jonimitchell.com/sitemap.cfm > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Paz [mailto:michael@thepazgroup.com] > I am > sure that I can get a discount. I will call them on Monday and > find out what > the deal is. I will post something on Monday and see if we want > to do a mass > order. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #195 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)