From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #175 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, June 19 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 175 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mitchell in somewhat pointless Toronto Star article ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Judee Sill video and Joni "connection" ["Kate Bennett" ] [none] ["MIKE HICKS" ] RE: Joni. Writting. [John Calimee ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:26:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Joni Mitchell in somewhat pointless Toronto Star article Maybe pointless... but brilliant! >Joni Mitchell, 62: She can be nuttier than a squirrel's breakfast, and claims to have given up music altogether, but at her best the Canuck artiste is McCartney's superior as a songwriter and singer. They could make an interesting couple both on and off the stage, especially since she's in need of a good bass player.< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 01:44:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Judee Sill video and Joni "connection" I wonder how they did their research... they missed a lot of great music from that time right here in socal... maybe they'll do a part 2... ? >A nice article came out in the LA Times yesterday about it. An excerpt: For Tomlinson and many others, those dreams started with Joni Mitchell. Like a mushroom that generates rings overnight, Mitchellbs breakout success in 1970 with her third album, Ladies of the Canyon, helped to inspire a widespread underground of female singer-songwriters. While some struck out for coffee shops and open-mike nights, others played for their high school friends or congregations. These girls emerged as flower children, their flowing tresses hanging over their acoustic guitars as they sang poems previously hidden in journals. Not everyone could be signed to Reprise or Elektra, though, so with the help of family, school faculty or a church bake sale, the music of these young women was recorded, privately pressed up, sold to friends and kindly parishioners, then forgotten as dreams faded against the harsh reality of the record biz or the call of family. The whole shootin' match: http://www.laweekly.com/general/features/the-circle-game/13749/ Bob< ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 05:11:50 -0400 From: simon@icu.com Subject: [On Father's Day] "Bein' a Dad" Bein' a Dad by Loudon Wainwright Bein' a dad isn't so bad Except that you gotta feed 'em You gotta shoe 'em and clothe 'em And try not to loathe 'em Bug 'em and hug 'em and heed 'em Bein' a dad can sure make you mad Man it even can drive you crazy It's as hard as it looks You gotta read them dumb books And you end up despising Walt Disney Bein' a dad starts to get radical When they turn into teenagers You gotta tighten the screws Enforce the curfews Confiscate weapons and pagers But a daughter and son Can be sort of fun Just as long as they don't defy you They'll treat you like a king They'll believe anything They're easy to frighten and lie to Bein' a dad (bein' a dad) Bein' a dad (bein' a dad) Bein' a dad can make you feel glad When you get paperweights and aftershave lotions Yeah it feels pretty great when they graduate That's when you're choked with emotions But bein' a dad takes more than a tad of Good luck and divine intervention You need air-tight alibis Fool proof disguises Desperation's the father of invention So sometimes you take off For a few rounds of golf And you stay away for half of their lifetimes The result of it all is You're captured and hauled up Before a tribunal for dad crimes Bein' a dad (bein' a dad) Bein' a dad (bein' a dad) Bein' a dad can make you feel sad Like you're the insignificant other Yeah right from the start They break your heart In the end every kid wants his mother Bein' a dad (bein' a dad) * * * * * * * * * * * * andmoreagain, - ------------------ simon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 06:38:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: RE : Retro Covers - Volume 4 "The Power of Cheese" She did quite well in other songs in the album > We share the same perception, Joseph - that was why I slid this one into Volume 4, well, that and the fact that it was looking like it was going to be 99% BSN's. Bob NP: Joni, "ACOY" (BSN version) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:54:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Most covered songwriters I am sure Yesterday has to be WAY up there. I think allmusic.com is a much better resource for this kind of information. Best Paz > MR. KNOW-IT-ALL needs to go back to school. > For many, many years it's been widely reported that the > most covered song of all time is "Yesterday"; according to > Wikipedia there are over 3,000 versions, and over 2,500 > covers of Gershwin's "Summertime". Don't forget "Louie > Louie", "All Along The Watchtower", "Blowin' In The > Wind"......."Eleanor Rigby"? Right. According > to this site, BSN has been covered 13 whole times, > causing one to wonder why they bother having a website > at all, since it is so wildly inaccurate. > http://secondhandsongs.com/song/2558.html > RR > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patti Parlette" >> Dear Joniamigos: >> >> Who am I, you may ask, a mere lyric-spouting mortal, to write about >> covers? I just couldn't resist sharing something I just read >> with you all, at the risk of upsetting our esteemed Covers King. For what >> it's worth: >> >> You Can Sure Sing That Again >> June 15, 2006 >> >> DEAR MR. KNOW-IT-ALL: Who are the most covered songwriters and performers? >> >> A: John Lennon, Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan are the top three covered >> songwriters and performers. The Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby" is the most >> remade song, with 117 renditions counted. >> >> How do we know? The website secondhandsongs.com, which proves that in the >> music world, everything old is new again ... and again ... and again. >> >> The Belgium-based site, launched in 2003 by brothers Bastien and Matthieu >> De Zutter and friend Denis Monsieur, is dedicated to collecting cover >> songs from around the world and building the largest database dedicated to >> these "recycled songs." >> >> There are nearly 40,000 songs and 19,000 artists listed on the site, >> crisscrossing the American pop spectrum - from Frank Sinatra covering >> Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are" to Lindsay Lohan's take on Cheap >> Trick's "I Want You To Want Me." >> >> But what sets secondhandsongs.com apart as a cover-song site is the >> diversity of the music. The site's content is largely dependent on the >> preferences of the five editors and the suggestions of >> secondhandsong.com's nearly 5,000 daily visitors. >> >> - Combined Wire Services >> >> >> A quick Joni search turns up a woeful list that will make our Covers King >> Crimson! Or deep purple...LOL! >> >> http://secondhandsongs.com/artist/19.html >> >> But no worries for us aging children. WE know where to get our Joni >> covers, right? Darn right! Muller walks on the Joni moon -- you be >> polite! ; ) >> >> And what? No mention of our sweet (song) bird Sherelle for Eleanor Rigby? >> >> "Query Failed! >> ERROR: column "performer_" does not exist" >> >> Harrumph! I beg to differ! >> >> Love, >> >> Patti P., enjoying a beautiful day off in New England ("Funny day, looking >> for laughter and finding it there, Sunny day......", wishing you all the >> same...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:07:18 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: [none] Thanks to Paul and others on the info and video on Judee Sill. I thought I knew of many many artists in my lifetime, but I have to admit I missed this one. What a song The Kiss. Just by this one video it is obvious she had immeasurable talent. Thanks for introducing me to another "unknown" artist. Mike NP: Where Do You Think You're Going - Dire Straits ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:12:07 -0500 From: John Calimee Subject: RE: Joni. Writting. "Question: I wonder if Joni Still writes songs in her head for the vocal range she had when she was younger, If she still is, what a shame that these songs dont see the light of day. I mean maybee Im thinking out loud and daydreaming but I would listen to another singer singing these songs, If they exist." Hi, And here I thought everyone was familiar with Joni's writing methods. If you haven't read the wonderful article circa Don Juan's Wreckless Daughter, you simply must. I believe it was included in the book, Star Art, although I read it first in a college magazine. I can't recall the title, but the article was originally published with the most gorgeous pictures of her squirrling about in the desert, south west. It references Mingus as she'd just finished the words to Dry Cleaner from De Moines. In any case it was the first written reference I'd seen regarding her creative process. Well worth a search on the JM.com. Anyway, she doesn't write music, she sings it. It's unlikely she would write for any other voicing than the voicing she presently has. She hums a melody in counterpoint to whatever music she's written. Then, as the DJRD/Mingus article describes, she uses this melody as the unseen base. When words are written, notes are changed up or down to give the words a natural feel. - -Although it's interesting the unworded melody for Passion Play is exactly the melody for the written text. Maybe she 'got over' adjusting melodies with Mingus? Eventually, someone else transcribes the melody and music to notation form. She's pretty much ignorant of music writing. This process fascinates me because for years I tried writing music in the only way I knew how: by humming it into a tape recorder. Eventually I gave up because -I believed- NO ONE of importance wrote music that way. Little did I know. However wonderful her musical gift has been, I do wonder what the world might have gotten if Joni were skilled at notation. The orchestra for Paprika Plains and Travelogue are wonderful. But what would they be if they were 100% Joni?!?! Guess we'll never know. j. - --Isn't it true she has 3 pieces of original music completed since retirement? I know there's one for certain. -And still no word of the film shot during the production of Travelogue. I declare we will see something new and cool from Joni at some point in the future. Our Joni shopping is not done! ps. Of course, I'm wrong regarding the commentary above. She could 'write' a voicing quite easily by playing it on guitar. Or hearing it in her head. But I guess what I'm really trying to say is, that's unlikely. Since she implies her melodies to date have come from her own voicing. I can't imagine she'd 'compose' any other way, except perhaps in the studio... where need or inventiveness might spark her to add a color or emotion. -But not from word go. I think I need to shut up now... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #175 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)