From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #173 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 17 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 173 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The "Joni Standard" [JRMCo1@aol.com] Bluebird ["vincenzo mancini" ] Laurel Canyon - the book ["Paul Castle" ] Henning new CD [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: The "Joni Standard" [Smurf ] Re: The "Joni Standard" [JRMCo1@aol.com] ...Sweet sorrow [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #171 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: The "Joni Standard" [Smurf ] Re: The "Joni Standard" ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: ...Sweet sorrow [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: ...Sweet sorrow ["roberto munguia" ] Most covered songwriters ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: The "Joni Standard" [] Re: Most covered songwriters [Bob.Muller@Fluor.com] Re: Most covered songwriters ["Randy Remote" ] icecream marmelade ["Oddmund Kaarevik" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:10:14 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: The "Joni Standard" > Now, I will concede that > Bonnie's cover of Song About the Midway is the rare exception where she > does, hands down, beat the original. > > Kakki > Fair enough. But you haven't explained what standard you use to rank one over the other. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:39:32 +0000 From: "vincenzo mancini" Subject: Bluebird Whole story (and photo) at www.kristianhoffman.com/ history.htm I spotted Joni Mitchell just leaving the parking lot in her car... Joni was covering her face with her hands, shivering with outrage... But years later... she was so tearfully sentimental about her CAR, which she had lovingly named "Bluebird" (Buffalo Springfield connection perhaps), that she forgave that fallible corrupt morsel of humanity in front of her wheels and signed this autograph - even supplying my words for me. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:30:44 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Laurel Canyon - the book Has there been (have I missed?) any discussion on Michael Walker's new book 'Laurel Canyon' : The Inside Story of Rock-and-Rolls Legendary Neighborhood on the list? see http://www.laurelcanyonthebook.com/ Anyone read it? Any good? I've recently enjoyed listening to these two telephone conversations with Graham Nash - on the first time he met Joni and about writing 'Our House' - here http://www.laurelcanyonthebook.com/audio-interviews/ best to all PaulC np: "I Would Never" by Blue Nile (from 'High') ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:04:47 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Henning new CD Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Exciting News!! http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 The follow-up to Henning & Christina's "Big Yellow Taxi" hits the street today! "Unknown and Famous Songs of Joni Mitchell" I was fortunate enough to get an advance copy from Henning and I've been playing it all week. Check out the tracklist: 1. Come to the Sunshine 2. The Way It Is 3. Carnival in Kenora 4. Conversation 5. A Case of You 6. Carey 7. California 8. The Gallery 9. All I Want 10. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 11. You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio 12. Peoples Parties 13. Little Green While you know & love most of these titles, Henning has selected 3 songs that Joni composed but never released. These are my faves on the disc, particularly "The Way It Is" which is just mind-bending. CDBaby only has a small limited number of these puppies so go get yours now. http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 Henning uses a full band of 5 players on guitars, sitar, organ, piano, percussion, harmonica, and Christina's vocals navigate these sometimes-tricky melodies like a knife through butter. The SCJoniguy says: Two thumbs WAY up! Bob NP: Big Yellow Taxi, "Carnival In Kenora" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:10:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: The "Joni Standard" - --- Kakki wrote: > Now, I > will concede that > Bonnie's cover of Song About the Midway is the rare > exception where she > does, hands down, beat the original. I think Bonnie also beat the original with Randy Newman's "Guilty." Getting back to Joni, I cannot think of any other artist whose cover beats Joni's effort. Bonnie's "TSatM" is always mentioned in this context, and I agree -- but that's it, as far as I can see. On the other hand, I can think of many people who do songs that Joni has covered -- such as "Summertime," "Why Do Fools Fall in Love," "You've Changed," and others -- much better. What does this all mean? - --Smurf . Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:58:51 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: The "Joni Standard" *How* does Bonnie's "Midway" beat Joni's, please? That's all I ask. If Raitt's version is so clearly superior, as has been said, this should not be a difficult question. Should it? "I don't know" is an acceptable answer. Thank you. - -Julius In a message dated 6/16/06 3:24:02 AM, smurfadelica@yahoo.com writes: > Getting back to Joni, I cannot think of any other > artist whose cover beats Joni's effort. Bonnie's > "TSatM" is always mentioned in this context, and I > agree -- but that's it, as far as I can see. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:18:40 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: ...Sweet sorrow My time has come, friends. Thanks for the Hejira and for some of the best years of my life. I've learned so much from you all and I want to thank you. And my eternal thanks to Joni Mitchell for being my light through the labyrinth. I'll be wishing happiness on you all. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:25:01 EDT From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #171 I am also one of that hardy breed of Joni-Lauraphiles. Once interviewed her for The Independent newspaper here in Limeyland (but chickened out of telling her I named my first-born after her!). Can't help on the footage front but I'd love to read that paper. Love and peace Rob in Cornwall NP Feel Too Good - Todd Rundgren ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:37:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: The "Joni Standard" Julius asked: << *How* does Bonnie's "Midway" beat Joni's, please? That's all I ask. >> That's none of your beeswax, Julius . . . It's for me to know and you to find out . . . If you hafta ask, you'll never know . . . Seriously, Julius, I wonder if you're ever going to find an answer that satisties you when we're dealing with something as subjective as taste in music. That said, and putting my love and admiration for Bonnie aside to try to get to the heart of this -- for me, anyway -- I think Bonnie's voice, or her *character*, just sounds more "real" and honest in her delivery. When Bonnie sings "I feel like I've been working overtime," I believe it on a deeper level than when Joni sings the same words. The entire song just *fits* Bonnie better overall, in my opinion, and her version hits me in a deeper place. Happy weekend, toute le monde (et Patti)! --M. Smurf - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football 06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:18 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: The "Joni Standard" > On the other hand, I can think of many people who do > songs that Joni has covered -- such as "Summertime," > "Why Do Fools Fall in Love," "You've Changed," and > others -- much better. > > What does this all mean? Well, again, it's all very subjective, but I agree with you. For these older jazz standards Joni is far from my favorite singer; I generally think she has a voice that is primarily suited to her own compositions. That said, Marvin Gaye works for her, I think. The live versions of "Trouble Man" in '98 and "I Heard it Through the Grapevine" in '83 are both, if not as good as Gaye's, at least very good. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: ...Sweet sorrow I'm speechless... Nuriel JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: My time has come, friends. Thanks for the Hejira and for some of the best years of my life. I've learned so much from you all and I want to thank you. And my eternal thanks to Joni Mitchell for being my light through the labyrinth. I'll be wishing happiness on you all. - -Julius - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:24:59 -0500 From: "roberto munguia" Subject: Re: ...Sweet sorrow God Bless you, Julius!!!!!!!!!!! Shalom, Roberto On 6/16/06, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > I'm speechless... > > Nuriel > > JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > My time has come, friends. Thanks for the Hejira and for some of the best > years of my life. I've learned so much from you all and I want to thank > you. > And my eternal thanks to Joni Mitchell for being my light through the > labyrinth. I'll be wishing happiness on you all. > > -Julius > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call > rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:10:31 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Most covered songwriters Dear Joniamigos: Who am I, you may ask, a mere lyric-spouting mortal, to write about covers? I just couldn't resist sharing something I just read with you all, at the risk of upsetting our esteemed Covers King. For what it's worth: You Can Sure Sing That Again June 15, 2006 DEAR MR. KNOW-IT-ALL: Who are the most covered songwriters and performers? A: John Lennon, Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan are the top three covered songwriters and performers. The Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby" is the most remade song, with 117 renditions counted. How do we know? The website secondhandsongs.com, which proves that in the music world, everything old is new again ... and again ... and again. The Belgium-based site, launched in 2003 by brothers Bastien and Matthieu De Zutter and friend Denis Monsieur, is dedicated to collecting cover songs from around the world and building the largest database dedicated to these "recycled songs." There are nearly 40,000 songs and 19,000 artists listed on the site, crisscrossing the American pop spectrum - from Frank Sinatra covering Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are" to Lindsay Lohan's take on Cheap Trick's "I Want You To Want Me." But what sets secondhandsongs.com apart as a cover-song site is the diversity of the music. The site's content is largely dependent on the preferences of the five editors and the suggestions of secondhandsong.com's nearly 5,000 daily visitors. - - Combined Wire Services A quick Joni search turns up a woeful list that will make our Covers King Crimson! Or deep purple...LOL! http://secondhandsongs.com/artist/19.html But no worries for us aging children. WE know where to get our Joni covers, right? Darn right! Muller walks on the Joni moon -- you be polite! ; ) And what? No mention of our sweet (song) bird Sherelle for Eleanor Rigby? "Query Failed! ERROR: column "performer_" does not exist" Harrumph! I beg to differ! Love, Patti P., enjoying a beautiful day off in New England ("Funny day, looking for laughter and finding it there, Sunny day......", wishing you all the same...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 12:52:52 -0700 From: Subject: Re: The "Joni Standard" I don't have standards ;-) I can't explain it - just know it when I hear it. Kakki "Fair enough. But you haven't explained what standard you use to rank one over the other. - -Julius" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:05:19 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@Fluor.com Subject: Re: Most covered songwriters That website (secondhandsongs.com) is so lame it barely deserves mention. Such is also the case with: http://www.coversproject.com/ As far as pop songs go, it's generally considered that "Yesterday" is the most-covered with a couple thousand versions. Joni has (3) songs that have been recorded over 117 times, and one at 114. I'd certainly agree that Lennon-McCartney covers and Dylan covers FAR outnumber Joni covers. Bob NP: Bruce, "Give The Girl A Kiss" that's you, Patti....Mmmmmmwah! - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain proprietary, business-confidential and/or privileged material. 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Don't forget "Louie Louie", "All Along The Watchtower", "Blowin' In The Wind"......."Eleanor Rigby"? Right. According to this site, BSN has been covered 13 whole times, causing one to wonder why they bother having a website at all, since it is so wildly inaccurate. http://secondhandsongs.com/song/2558.html RR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Parlette" > Dear Joniamigos: > > Who am I, you may ask, a mere lyric-spouting mortal, to write about > covers? I just couldn't resist sharing something I just read > with you all, at the risk of upsetting our esteemed Covers King. For what > it's worth: > > You Can Sure Sing That Again > June 15, 2006 > > DEAR MR. KNOW-IT-ALL: Who are the most covered songwriters and performers? > > A: John Lennon, Paul McCartney and Bob Dylan are the top three covered > songwriters and performers. The Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby" is the most > remade song, with 117 renditions counted. > > How do we know? The website secondhandsongs.com, which proves that in the > music world, everything old is new again ... and again ... and again. > > The Belgium-based site, launched in 2003 by brothers Bastien and Matthieu > De Zutter and friend Denis Monsieur, is dedicated to collecting cover > songs from around the world and building the largest database dedicated to > these "recycled songs." > > There are nearly 40,000 songs and 19,000 artists listed on the site, > crisscrossing the American pop spectrum - from Frank Sinatra covering > Billy Joel's "Just the Way You Are" to Lindsay Lohan's take on Cheap > Trick's "I Want You To Want Me." > > But what sets secondhandsongs.com apart as a cover-song site is the > diversity of the music. The site's content is largely dependent on the > preferences of the five editors and the suggestions of > secondhandsong.com's nearly 5,000 daily visitors. > > - Combined Wire Services > > > A quick Joni search turns up a woeful list that will make our Covers King > Crimson! Or deep purple...LOL! > > http://secondhandsongs.com/artist/19.html > > But no worries for us aging children. WE know where to get our Joni > covers, right? Darn right! Muller walks on the Joni moon -- you be > polite! ; ) > > And what? No mention of our sweet (song) bird Sherelle for Eleanor Rigby? > > "Query Failed! > ERROR: column "performer_" does not exist" > > Harrumph! I beg to differ! > > Love, > > Patti P., enjoying a beautiful day off in New England ("Funny day, looking > for laughter and finding it there, Sunny day......", wishing you all the > same...) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 01:06:52 +0200 From: "Oddmund Kaarevik" Subject: icecream marmelade hi patti i know it seems like many dim years ago - but i'm still here in this hissing of summer lawns - light blue -norway - - here is a song for you incognito - - stardust golden ga a a rden is that all there is - - to the circus is that all there is to joni??? well - then - let's keep dancing Oddmund: i scream - you scream WE ALL SCREAM FOR ICECREAM!!!! but i have to admit i am no joni scholar - just enthusuastic. But enthusiasm is a great gift - to share - a story told to a friend it's second haaaand ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #173 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)