From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #166 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, June 10 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 166 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Gay Men In Joni's Lyrics [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Gay Men In Joni's Lyrics [Bob Muller ] Exciting News!! [Bob Muller ] Re: Exciting News!! ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Gay Men In Joni's Lyrics [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Exciting News!! [Bob Muller ] Re: Exciting News!! [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Exciting News!! [FMYFL@aol.com] No! artist compares to Joni, year 2006. ["Sue Bargh" ] Nice, Kitty, Kitty [Nuriel Tobias ] Originality in Music!! [andeemac2005@comcast.net] Re: Originality in Music!! [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:13:39 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Gay Men In Joni's Lyrics If a man is dressed as a woman, does that necessarily make him a transvestite? A man in a dress is not always gay nor is he always a tranny. That's my AU$0.02. Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:08:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Gay Men In Joni's Lyrics And is there a significant difference between a transvestite, a drag queen & a cross-dresser? I'm patiently waiting for Paz to step in here and clear all of this up for us. Bob NP: Nils Lofgren, "Wreck On The Highway" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:21:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Exciting News!! http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 The follow-up to Henning & Christina's "Big Yellow Taxi" hits the street today! "Unknown and Famous Songs of Joni Mitchell" I was fortunate enough to get an advance copy from Henning and I've been playing it all week. Check out the tracklist: 1. Come to the Sunshine 2. The Way It Is 3. Carnival in Kenora 4. Conversation 5. A Case of You 6. Carey 7. California 8. The Gallery 9. All I Want 10. Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire 11. You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio 12. Peoples Parties 13. Little Green While you know & love most of these titles, Henning has selected 3 songs that Joni composed but never released. These are my faves on the disc, particularly "The Way It Is" which is just mind-bending. CDBaby only has a small limited number of these puppies so go get yours now. http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 Henning uses a full band of 5 players on guitars, sitar, organ, piano, percussion, harmonica, and Christina's vocals navigate these sometimes-tricky melodies like a knife through butter. The SCJoniguy says: Two thumbs WAY up! Bob NP: Big Yellow Taxi, "Carnival In Kenora" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:50:05 -0700 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Exciting News!! > http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 > While you know & love most of these titles, > Henning has selected 3 songs that Joni composed > but never released. These are my faves on the > disc, particularly "The Way It Is" which is just > mind-bending. WHOA. I'll say! I just listened to the clip of "The Way It Is" on the site, and just the 2 minutes I got to hear blew my mind! In addition to Christina's superb vocal, there's some very psychedelic guitar work! When was this song written? Sounds like it was written around the same time as STAS. Thanks for sharing this with us, Bob! I'll be buying at least one copy of this CD -- and that's based on just 2 minutes of this one song. Can't wait to listen to the rest!! Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:36:31 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Gay Men In Joni's Lyrics There absolutely is. A transvestite dresses as a woman because that's how SHE feels inside. She is mentally a woman trapped in a man's body. A drag queen is a show biz character. Flamboyant and ready to entertain. A cross dresser usually gets sexual pleasure from dressing in women's clothes. Especially underwear. Cross dressers are mostly heterosexual. and one more...a transsexual is the brave soul who managed to find the strength to correct the anomaly of being born in a male body usually against adverse reactions from other people. They get my respect. What is gay? Mark in Sydney NP Persistence of Memory - AfroCelts. On 09/06/2006, at 9:08 PM, Bob Muller wrote: > necessarily make him a transvestite?> > > And is there a significant difference between a > transvestite, a drag queen & a cross-dresser? > > I'm patiently waiting for Paz to step in here and > clear all of this up for us. > > Bob > > NP: Nils Lofgren, "Wreck On The Highway" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:36:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Exciting News!! Right you are, Lori - she wrote it in 1967 for the CBC TV show of the same name (The Way It Is) and made 3 appearances on the show in December 1967. She also performed it in her club shows in early 1968, at least she did in her performance at Club 47/Boston in January that we have. I didn't care for the song at first, I thought the melody was pretty cantankerous, but I must say that after many more listens (and especially with this new awesome arrangement) I really like it. Musically it has some wicked intervals that Christina navigates with ease. And of course I would guess that you could also appreciate the lyrics: "If you hear a politician Or a singer making song Do you just refuse to listen Knowing that he must be wrong That's the way it is, you know You just see what you want to see Who am I to tell you how to think Or tell you who to be" I forgot to mention the fact that the link at CDBaby gives you a full 2-minute preview of every track, so thanks for mentioning the clip. Bob NP: The Raconteurs, "Steady As She Goes" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:25:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Exciting News!! I listened to all the songs and it left such a bad taste in my mouth...She sounds like one of those embarrassing wannabe girls from the American Idol auditions and you can hear it in her flat, hippie-like (my ass!) voice that she has no idea what she's singing about...And the "arrangements" are worse than having to listen to the most annoying boy scout playing his brother's guitar at a campfire...And they call it a tribute to Joni Mitchell? Dreadful, dreadful, dreadful. I'm sorry, Lori, believe me i am, and i even thought i shouldn't write this at all because i honestly didn't want to ruin it for you, but i just had to express my feelings towards this shameful album. Nuri Lori Fye wrote: > http://cdbaby.com/cd/bigyellowtaxi3 > While you know & love most of these titles, > Henning has selected 3 songs that Joni composed > but never released. These are my faves on the > disc, particularly "The Way It Is" which is just > mind-bending. WHOA. I'll say! I just listened to the clip of "The Way It Is" on the site, and just the 2 minutes I got to hear blew my mind! In addition to Christina's superb vocal, there's some very psychedelic guitar work! When was this song written? Sounds like it was written around the same time as STAS. Thanks for sharing this with us, Bob! I'll be buying at least one copy of this CD -- and that's based on just 2 minutes of this one song. Can't wait to listen to the rest!! Lori Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:32:45 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Exciting News!! Nuri writes: > I'm sorry, Lori, believe me i am, and i even thought i shouldn't write this > at all because i honestly didn't want to ruin it for you, but i just had to > express my feelings towards this shameful album. > Nuri, that's what this list is for. You are allowed to express your feelings, and I can appreciate that. I will say that I haven't heard the clip's to Henning & Christina's new CD, but I do have the first BYT and I love it. I also had the pleasure of meeting and hearing them live at the 1st Full Moon Jonifest, and they are great. I wouldn't compare them with any "American Idol" wannabes. Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:12:22 +0100 From: "Sue Bargh" Subject: No! artist compares to Joni, year 2006. RE: No! artist compares to Joni, year 2006. No, no one does compare...... but OMG ..do you know what I have gone and done? I wrote a song last weekend and the first line is..."I was walking along the coast today"......And do you know what else? the tune goes up and it goes down, and i only used 1 track ....mind you, I am just anyone.....and OMG yes, I think you are getting old. And now I am destroyed... (the Joni content is that the third line is " Got a Joni song rollin` round my mind") Love to you all , and no ill feelings what-so-ever ;-) Sue Chester.UK np:Karine Polwart :Waterlily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:11:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Gay Men In Joni's Lyrics Mark asked: "What is gay?" Gay is someone who acts in mission impossible movies, marries a naive girl that suffers from a post-partum depression and lectures to Brook Shields about rehabilitation of the human spirit. Nuri Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Nice, Kitty, Kitty Maybe Joni's cat hase gone too far, but it seems like some cat owners have gone way too far... http://www.stuffonmycat.com Nuri Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:20:14 +0000 From: andeemac2005@comcast.net Subject: Originality in Music!! Somebody said "I'll pit John Mayer and Jack White against the 70's guitar gods any day." The point you missed is that Hendrix Clapton, J Page, Zappa, Santana and P Metheny were doing this in the late 60's and early 70's, 40 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and in my opinion these people came up with everything new and different you could do with a Guitar, there is nothing new left to do, can you argue with me on this ????????, so as good as John Mayer is, he is only copying what was done 40 years ago, can you see my point, where is the Originality in Music these days????. Its just not good enough to say "Oh my music is as good as the Beatles" back then all these artists were coming out with diverse Original Ideas, I mean like King Crimson ( In the Court of the Crimson King) was back then a totally new concept. that amazed me when i heard it for the first time, and that song is still fresh today. If you just take P Metheny and Jimmy Hendrix can you say there is anything new and different that can be played on a guitar that those two havent covered, really???. And Im sorry there isnt many new Melodic Songs being written by artists of this Century, apart from Tori Amos that stay in the memory, or you can sing or hum yourself, Returning to the Original thread, Joni Mitchells songs TOWER over all but a handfull of other artists songs in terms of Execution, Production, Feeling of the rendition of the Lyrics and Melody, and the partnership of her and Jaco was made in Heaven. American Idol was mentioned, the one thing about this show is the singers CAN sing well live, there is no bucking the art, like a lot of singers do today on Albums, with Digital Voice enhancers in the Studio, and when they sing live there horrible. I think to a certain extent we live in a post Prince and G Micheal world, where the Big labels are wary of signing Artists that can Sing well, Write there own songs, Produce themselfs in the Studio, and really dont need the label to survive. No they want Artists they can use for 3 years then toss aside like Creed where are they now???? Prince and G Micheal dared to say to the label, " The art in my Music is 100 percent ME, I can write new songs for any label and be just as good," and in Princes case he is right isnt he after hearing his new CD last month. Time will be the adudicater, but I dont see many new artists and Bands around today being around in 2010 Originality is the Key. you know stylize your music like no other artist has done before. its not good enough just to Copy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 22:12:39 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Originality in Music!! andeemac2005@comcast.net writes: > Somebody said "I'll pit John Mayer and Jack White against the 70's guitar > gods any day." > > The point you missed is that Hendrix Clapton, J Page, Zappa, Santana and P > Metheny were doing this in the late 60's and early 70's, 40 years > ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and in my opinion these people came up with everything new and > different you could do with a Guitar, there is nothing new left to do, can you argue > with me on this ???????? > I can argue with you on it. Just as it's not about the bike for Lance Armstrong, for music gods, it ain't about no stinkin' guitar! Look at Joan: ukulele, dulcimer, piano, percussion, voice...and oh yeah, that six-stringed thing. Se could play the rain! Does one not consider the music of Ravi Shankar, just because he doesn't play the conventional instrument of the day? Guitar didn't come into vogue in the U.S. until around 1900. Before that, in the U.S., it was all about mandolins! Gibson started as a mandolin company and they had a great marketing scheme where they formed mandolin orchestras in towns across the country and used the conductors they hired as salespeople who sold different styles of their mandolins to townspeople on credit! It wasn't until after that saturation that they did the same thing with guitar, to an extent, with great success. Hence the prevalence of the instrument today. It was all clever marketing, as usual. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #166 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)