From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #153 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, May 28 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 153 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Welcome to the list ["Anita Gabrielle Tedder" ] Re: Welcome to Angela and a few thoughts [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Bob Muller ] Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Michael Paz ] erratum Re: alt tunings;further thoughts [Dave Blackburn ] Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio [Catherine McKay Subject: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio Imagine there was a Joni radio station where you could hear nothing but songs by Joni, songs by artists directly influenced by Joni, songs by artists who worked with Joni, and Joni covers? All you need to do is go to www.pandora.com and type Joni Mitchell. Then, a Joni Mitchell radio station will be created for you - isn't this great? It's all for free and no subscription needed. Have fun! Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:40:09 +0100 From: "Anita Gabrielle Tedder" Subject: Re: Welcome to the list I'd also like to say hi to Angela and say that not only will you get more information and knowledge about Joni Mitchell that probably Joni doesn't even know/remember, you'll also get great emotional support when you need it. I know because I have from time to time. The joni list  couldn't do without it. Love Anita xx ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:05:55 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Welcome to Angela and a few thoughts Bo wrote: I feel that Joni offers all of us to challenge ourselves with our personal feelings in response to what she shares with us in her music, her lyrics and her painting. Hi Bo and YES - welcome to Angela!! I agree with you Bo. I also have experienced that Joni connects things in a way that makes them memorable and understandable through conveying and entering into a realization of the union of the physical and spiritual. She speaks to my heart (my "deepest center" to use San Juan de la Cruz lingo) from a place of the senses as well as from the intuitive mind. There's an additional level of touch when one experiences the song on guitar and I would imagine on piano too... walking in the footsteps of her fingers so to speak, like following the Buddha. It is good to sit under the Bodhi tree with Joni and experience the many facets of life, like the facets of a diamond. "The kind of seed sown will produce that kind of fruit. Those who do good will reap good results. Those who do evil will reap evil results. If you carefully plant a good seed, You will joyfully gather good fruit." Dhammapada I see the joyful gathering of people on this list and the incredible love for and sharing with each other as a testimony to the good seed Joni has planted by so generously and humbly sharing her talents with us. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 06:46:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio Pandora is very cool, but it doesn't really work that way, Nuri...the purpose for it is to promote artists other than the ones you create it for. A "Joni Mitchell" station will give you artists and songs in a similar style to Joni (at least they're similar to Joni according to the folks who assign different musical qualities to the myriad of songs in the library). I created a Joni Mitchell station and was very disappointed with it. They did on occasion play a couple of Joni tunes, and you can finetune it a bit, but I think anyone who created a JM station expecting to hear lots of Joni & Joni-related tracks is going to get very frustrated - my fave Pandora stations are my Miles Davis & Pink Floyd stations. From what I've read about the genome principle that Pandora employs, it would be really tough to pinpoint the qualities of a "Joni Mitchell" song...after all, she has touched on just about every genre and style there is. All that being said, Pandora can be a lot of fun, is a great way to hear good music from artists you've not heard of, and like you say it is totally free. Bob NP: Traffic, "Smiling Phases" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:48:39 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio I have had a Launchcast Station on Yahoo for years (jmichaelpaz). It is great. It askes you to rate artists that you like from 1-4, 4 being the best and it feeds you those artists + more like those artists and every so often throws new stuff at you. I have perfected mine over the years and on an average day at work where I use it I hear about 5-6 Joni songs a day + lots of CSNY, Jonatha, Tori, Ryan Adams, Whiskeytown, Sarah Lee and Johnnie, eastmnountainsouth, etc. Check it out I think you will like it. Best Paz > type Joni Mitchell. Then, a Joni Mitchell radio > station will be created for you - isn't this > great? It's all for free and no subscription > needed.> > > Pandora is very cool, but it doesn't really work > that way, Nuri...the purpose for it is to promote > artists other than the ones you create it for. A > "Joni Mitchell" station will give you artists and > songs in a similar style to Joni (at least > they're similar to Joni according to the folks > who assign different musical qualities to the > myriad of songs in the library). > > I created a Joni Mitchell station and was very > disappointed with it. They did on occasion play a > couple of Joni tunes, and you can finetune it a > bit, but I think anyone who created a JM station > expecting to hear lots of Joni & Joni-related > tracks is going to get very frustrated - my fave > Pandora stations are my Miles Davis & Pink Floyd > stations. > >> From what I've read about the genome principle > that Pandora employs, it would be really tough to > pinpoint the qualities of a "Joni Mitchell" > song...after all, she has touched on just about > every genre and style there is. > > All that being said, Pandora can be a lot of fun, > is a great way to hear good music from artists > you've not heard of, and like you say it is > totally free. > > Bob > > NP: Traffic, "Smiling Phases" > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:50:37 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: alt tunings;further thoughts A couple of further thoughts came to me after my post about alt tunings that I'd like to offer. I recommended buying the heaviest strings you can for tunings that drop below D. In itself that is good advice as the string tension is better and so you stay in tune better. BUT the slots in your nut are usually carved for light guage strings and are usually plastic unless you have a premium guitar. When you put fatter guage strings on you stress those nut slots and I have had two of them shear off because of it. I have taken my guitars now to a luthier and had him carve me new nuts with wider slots out of cowbone. Problem solved. In the case of Joni's alt tunings some strings are actually tuned up from standard (the 4th string in Coyote, Just like this Train for ex) and heavier guage strings are a bad idea in that instance. Hence my suggestion to create mixed sets (an extra light would do nicely in that case). I come from a jazz guitar background and chords are somewhat a specialty of mine; I have found that many Joni songs can be played note for note in standard tuning if you don't mind a reach here and there. As Joni was self taught as a guitarist she originally gravitated towards easy-to-play guitar parts using only one or two fingers; to get the voicings she wanted she chose to "turn the knobs" instead of mastering new chords with her hand and in doing so created a "trap" for herself as she called it, making live performing a problem. So in SOME cases (For the Roses is one I do in standard tuning and sounds exactly the same) you don't even need the alt tuning. That's easier on the guitar AND your brain. hope this helps.... Dave Blackburn ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 09:47:05 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: erratum Re: alt tunings;further thoughts I wrote: In the case of Joni's alt tunings some strings are actually tuned up from standard (the 4th string in Coyote, Just like this Train for ex) and heavier guage strings are a bad idea in that instance. Hence my suggestion to create mixed sets (an extra light would do nicely in that case). I meant to say My Secret Place, not Coyote or Just like this Train. Getting confused in old age!.. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 13:25:27 EDT From: Harry83house@aol.com Subject: Circle Game Video Hey Bob! In my heart, I know its a beautiful song and I DO love it, but I have to agree with you about being just a little tired of the ubiquitous THE CIRCLE GAME. However, when that choir of children started singing the chorus of the song in Chinese in the Steven Curtis Chapman video...well...it was very moving. The song really is a masterpiece in its simple way... isn't it? It has a particular power for me today since we just buried my grandmother this morning. Thanks for sharing the link to the video, Bob. AND, wow, just now on Jonathan Schwartz' New York Public Radio program, Schwartz was talking about how the work of Joni Mitchell has yet to be really studied and appreciated to the degree it deserves, 'though he's sure it will be in the future. Then he played a recording of a guy singing "Little Green"...Beautiful. Have a great weekend. All the best, Harry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:40:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Circle Game Video Hi Harry, Thanks for the note, and please accept my sympathies regarding your Grandmother. I was very close to my maternal Grandmother (she lived with us for about 25 years) and we all still talk about the memories whenever we get together. Appropriate for Memorial Day weekend. I heard Joni's original LOTC version on XM radio a couple weeks back and after it played the DJ said: "Did you cry? You're supposed to, you know." Sometimes it gets to me, sometimes not. Probably will soon a bunch since my boy will turn 20 in October and is growing up SO fast. I just heard a nice Dutch-language version by Miek & Roel yesterday. The Little Green cover you heard was most likely the version by NYC cabaret singer Jack Donahue. It is most excellent. Bob NP: Arrested Development, "Man's Final Frontier" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Closest Thing To a Joni Radio - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I have had a Launchcast Station on Yahoo for years > (jmichaelpaz). It is > great. It askes you to rate artists that you like > from 1-4, 4 being the best > and it feeds you those artists + more like those > artists and every so often > throws new stuff at you. I have perfected mine over > the years and on an > average day at work where I use it I hear about 5-6 > Joni songs a day + lots > of CSNY, Jonatha, Tori, Ryan Adams, Whiskeytown, > Sarah Lee and Johnnie, > eastmnountainsouth, etc. Check it out I think you > will like it. > > Best I've done this too and the more you rate, the better stuff they give you, because they get closer to your taste. I can tell them who I love a lot and who never to play again. However, if you want the free one, you have to be subjected to lousy commercials every so often. And I listened to it mostly at work where we have crappy old computers that mess up so often that I stopped bothering - however, we are getting brand new computers at work soon, so I'll go back to listening then. You can pay too to get the without-commercials version, but I'm too cheap to do that - I'd rather get the free one and complain about the ads. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #153 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)