From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #116 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, April 20 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 116 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: This is probably bogus but... ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] RE: Hippies, Freaks, & Beatniks [Allmanfan54@aol.com] honesty ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: This is probably bogus but... [Dave Blackburn ] RE: Carpal tunnel, etc., [M C ] Re: This is probably bogus but... [Randy Remote ] Mendel exhibit [Kate ] Re: This is probably bogus but... [Nuriel Tobias ] Stryngs album launch gig ["Martin Giles" ] Re: Stryngs album launch gig ["ron" ] Re: This is probably bogus but... ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: This is probably bogus but... ["Mark Scott" ] RE: "The Essential Herbie Hancock", JC? ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: This is probably bogus but... Enhanced usually means not only extra tracks, but can be played on a computer with CD-ROM extras. Many times those extras are fillers, such as on a DVD, but sometimes they can be valuable, like the possibility of interviews or commentary (from Joni?) about the recordings. And if they are remastered from the original using 32 bit technology the difference could be remarkable. The few 32 bit remasterings I own are incredible. They leap from the speakers. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > Heck, they already remastered them once. Is paint > really that expensive? > > Now, if they release them as SACD, better yet, in > 5.1, good. Otherwise, whattaripoff, but I will hold > my judgement of the money and the stars for now. > > btw:...almost nobody knows about this yet, but it > comes from a very highly placed source-the Beatles > catalog is reportedly going to be released in 5.1 next > year (as a set?), as well as the albums remixed and/or > remastered for Sgt Pepper's 40th anniv. Exact details > are a bit murky and rumours are rampant, however.. > something is going to happen. > RR > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Muller" > To: "JMDL" > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:39 PM > Subject: This is probably bogus but... > > >> Saw this tidbit today while Joni 'net-cruising: >> >> "3 Classic albums from Joni Mitchell are being >> remastered and expanded for a projected July 10th >> release: 'Court And Spark' (1974), 'The Hissing >> Of Summer Lawns' (from 1975) and 'Hejira' (1976) >> will be expanded into 2 CD sets and will cost no >> more than #12.99 each (price may drop). This is >> very early information so release dates may >> slip." >> >> Verrrry interesting - chasing some links and >> goggling like nobody's bidness, I found some >> other related pages: >> >> http://www.spincds.com/product.asp?id=9005695 >> http://www.spincds.com/product.asp?id=9005696 >> http://www.spincds.com/product.asp?id=9005697 >> >> http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/product.php?pId=6644114&pType=music >> http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/product.php?pId=6644115&pType=music >> http://www.townsend-records.co.uk/product.php?pId=6644116&pType=music >> >> Like I say - probably bogus, but the prospect of >> these three albums being remastered and >> re-released in expanded (expanded?!?!) versions >> has me drooling. >> >> Bob >> >> NP: The Cure, "Disintegration" >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:10:50 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Sherelle now jc Hi Nuri, That is a very good tip. Thank you! Sherelle Nuriel wrote: Sherelle Smith wrote: My goal is to be brave enough to be as honest as Joni has been all of her life. Hi Sherelle, My tip? Just be yourself. Being yourself is the best thing i've learned from Joni.:) Yours, Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:41:24 EDT From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: RE: Hippies, Freaks, & Beatniks I'm gonna throw in my 2 cents about hippies, beatniks, & freaks, etc. (all friends of mine).........I have studied "The Beats", was even fortunate enough recently (thanks to a heads up from Patti P.) to see Ann Charters speak at UCONN, and to have her autograph her latest book for me. So I'll start with the word beatnik. Beatnik evolved from "beat". Kerouac, Ginsberg, Burroughs, and the boys first heard the word beat used in a new way by an unlikely person in Times Square in the 1940's. It was Herbert Huncke who was a junkie, had been in and out of jail, and just sort of hung around. As is true with so many words, it was used in different ways by people. To Kerouac and Ginsberg it meant exhausted, beatific, poor, or generally "beat down" by life itself. For Burroughs, a raging heroin/morphine addict himself, it meant to con, or steal, as in "I just beat that guy out of 20 bucks". The word caught on and was used a lot by the beat/bohemian writers from then on. On the Road was finally published in 1957, and that same year a Frisco writer named Herb Caen first borrowed the nik from sputnik and formed the word beatnik. It wasn't used so much to brand the beats as commies as it was to just put a catchy word in the column he was writing. The word beatnik, obviously, also caught on. Within a couple years Kerouac was being touted as the king of the beats, and beatniks, a label he was very uncomfortable with. He was also far from being a commie, and was in fact very patriotic. The most famous "beatnik" of course was Bob Denver (Gilligan) as he portrayed Maynard G. Krebbs in The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis. The beats hated the show, and most other attempts to portray them in film, etc. Anyway, that's just a little on the word Beatnik. The word Hippie also has its roots in the Beat Generation. The Beats borrowed a lot of their words from what they heard in the jazz clubs and scene, and a really cool person, or good musician was called a hipster, or hip cat, or just hip. Some also credit Herb Caen as being the first one to use the word hippie, but Wikipedia says he only popularized it, and says it was first used by New York police and reporters to describe anti war protesters at the opening of the 1964 Worlds Fair. For me, the best one word definition of hippie is nonconformist. So that makes me a hippie, and proud of it. Freak was soon attached to hippie as a negative description, but that backfired, and we embraced the term. When I hear the term freak, it reminds me of the movie Woodstock. There is a part in the movie where one of the residents near the show is talking to one of those freaks, and asks him about the label. The kid responds that he is indeed a freak, and proud of it. So am I. As for the line in Carey, lets have a round for these freaks, and these soldiers, a round for these friends of mine, I'd like to think Joni was saying lets embrace, and be cool with everyone. Was/is Joni a hippie ? I guess it depends on your own interpretation of the word. She is a nonconformist for sure, and a person of peace. For me she is simply one of the most gifted artists of our time. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:11:05 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: honesty Sherelle wrote: "Help Me I Think I'm Fallin...in love again...when I get that crazy feeling I know I'm in trouble again...I'm in trouble...cause your a rambler and a gambler and a sweet talkin ladies man..." So nice! My goal is to be brave enough to be as honest as Joni has been all of her life. brave enough to be as honest as Joni has been all of her life. brave enough to be as honest as Joni has been all of her life. That is one of Joni's major qualities. . and Sherelle, I have never really thought about it like that before. I love honesty. . raw, unadulturated honesty. . (not that I know what unadulturated means. . : -) that is what I look for in a friend. this is joni's music. . honest. . emotionally, politically good point Sherelle. ( I know this is probably very basic, but I have never thought about it this way) : -) XO Marianne _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:07:57 -0700 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Re: This is probably bogus but... I agree with Randy about the release of the 70's Joni albums in 5.1. The record biz has been going hog wild on "remastered" versions of old albums with outtakes to get you to buy your album collection again. In many cases the remasters are horrible sounding, and outtakes, which CAN be interesting, were left off the original albums for a reason. BUT if the labels went to the expense of baking the original multi-tracks and remixing the whole albums in 5.1, now that would be incredible. You would most likely hear things that you never heard in the stereo versions (including flubs ;) ). It is my belief, vinyl purists notwithstanding, that we live in a golden age of audio fidelity; I'm not talking about iPods and CDs but DVD-A and SACD. Most people don't know they exist (which is the fault of warring formats -VHS vs Beta anyone?) because sales of titles I read are a mere 1000 per year in the US. That's obviously a money loser for the labels, but I say get your surround thing going in your favorite room and enjoy the greatest audio experience before these formats disappear entirely. As I posted before, the Both Sides Now DVD-A is G- O-R-G-E-O-U-S! And please, on the TATTOO type of subjects put njc in your header. I'm on the joni only list and getting inundated with posts that are scarcely related to Joni. THANKS! Dave Blackburn Beat 'n Track Recording and Mastering beatntrack@sbcglobal.net www.beatntrack.net On Apr 19, 2006, at 12:00 AM, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:01:40 -0700 > From: Randy Remote > Subject: Re: This is probably bogus but... > > Heck, they already remastered them once. Is paint > really that expensive? > > Now, if they release them as SACD, better yet, in > 5.1, good. Otherwise, whattaripoff, but I will hold > my judgement of the money and the stars for now. > > btw:...almost nobody knows about this yet, but it > comes from a very highly placed source-the Beatles > catalog is reportedly going to be released in 5.1 next > year (as a set?), as well as the albums remixed and/or > remastered for Sgt Pepper's 40th anniv. Exact details > are a bit murky and rumours are rampant, however.. > something is going to happen. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:28:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Bryan Subject: Re-releases > Saw this tidbit today while Joni 'net-cruising: > "3 Classic albums from Joni Mitchell are being remastered and expanded for a projected July 10th release: 'Court And Spark' (1974), 'The Hissing Of Summer Lawns' (from 1975) and 'Hejira' (1976) will be expanded into 2 CD sets and will cost no more than #12.99 each (price may drop). This is very early information so release dates may slip." > Like I say - probably bogus, but the prospect of these three albums being remastered and re-released in expanded (expanded?!?!) versions has me drooling. > Bob Well, that would be fabulous. For some time now I've been thinking that re-releasing the classics with bonus material is the way to go -- rather than a seemingly endless series of compilations. I see the releases mentioned are all in the UK, perhaps the US release will come later (unless the whole thing is bogus! which I doubt). Let's hope the extra materials on the CDs are very worthwhile. Interesting that Blue is not included, but this group appears to focus on the mid-70s heyday/jazzy period. I think Blue -- which for several years now seems to have been considered by critics and the general public as the quintessential Joni Mitchell album and also seems to be the best seller among the catalog -- should be re-released on its own. Bryan - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: M C Subject: RE: Carpal tunnel, etc., I apologize for leaving off the njc tag, but I'm trying to find someone who once posted about having surgery for elbow/cubital tunnel syndrome. I need some advice. Please contact me off list. Thanks. mclea92@yahoo.com mc - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:35:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: This is probably bogus but... Good points, David-especially the part about agreeing with me ; ) This will be the third issue of these titles on CD if these reports are true. Then a new format will come out again in a couple of years, and they will want us to buy it again. I agree with you about out-takes. They generally made the right decision in the first place, and released the stronger track. Commentaries and such are alright, but it's a side show to the main release. Funny about mp3s vs dvd-a, etc: mp3s are hugely popular, yet a step down in quality from CDs. Eight tracks and cassettes, anyone? Also, we shouldn't lose sight of why they remastered so many of these CDs in the first place; because they did a slipshod job on the first batch, often using copies of copies of masters (or worse, RIAA weighted LP masters) in a rush to the CD marketplace. Court and Spark being an egregious example. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:08:24 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Mendel exhibit Hi all, In answer to someone's query ... I plan to attend the show this weekend if I can get away from my flooding basement. I'll take my digital camera and see what is available to purchase in the gift store, if anything, too. Will let you all know what I see! Kate https://letterwriter.wordpress.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 11:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: This is probably bogus but... Urgh...Good point, Jerry! Did she make any videos/clips/whatever during those 3 albums era? They could make a great enhanced stuff indeed. "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: Enhanced usually means not only extra tracks, but can be played on a computer with CD-ROM extras. - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 19:46:54 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Stryngs album launch gig Hi folks I've been in lurk mode for so long, most of you probably have no idea who we are anymore. So I almost feel embarrased to suddenly pop up announcing albums and gigs. Almost :0) But for those who do remember us, you may be interested to know that Stryngs will be launching their new album, 'Love and Other Vices' at Stonewalls, 286 Lewisham High Street, London SE13 6JZ on the 28th May. The album has taken a long time, mostly down to the fact that we can only get together less than once a week, but it's all sounding really good, and we're mixing/mastering at the moment. Les Ross and Claudia SanSoucie have been doing our artwork for us, which is looking totally fab. Go to www.myspace.com/stryngs or to www.stryngs.com where more details on the launch gig will be posted very soon. Martin. x ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 22:00:33 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Stryngs album launch gig hi >>>martin wrote >>>> But for those who do remember us, you may be interested to know that >>>> Stryngs will be launching their new album, 'Love and Other Vices' at >>>> Stonewalls, 286 Lewisham High Street, London SE13 6JZ on the 28th May. good news indeed - thanks martin. i was looking through the the sites about a week ago wondering where the hell the new album was :-) for those who dont know stryngs - well - you should. the thrill of maintaining momentum is a wonderful album - go to cdbaby & take a listen. the samples of the new album on the stryngs site are also great. ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 17:50:19 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: This is probably bogus but... On Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:01:40 -0700 Randy Remote wrote: > Now, if they release them as SACD, better yet, in > 5.1, good. Otherwise, whattaripoff, but I will hold > my judgement of the money and the stars for now. For me, HoSL would be worthwhile because I think they screwed up the sound last time and I love that album enough to get it again, if it sounds better. For the others, it will depend on the second disc. I'm the type of person who is interested in hearing demos and rejects if it's an album I really love. > btw:...almost nobody knows about this yet, but it > comes from a very highly placed source-the Beatles > catalog is reportedly going to be released in 5.1 next > year (as a set?), as well as the albums remixed and/or >remastered for Sgt Pepper's 40th anniv. Exact details are >a bit murky and rumours are rampant, however.. > something is going to happen. Well, I actually saw a news story on the remixes, so word is coming down. I understand what people are saying about the companies wanting us to replace our collections every few years. No doubt for many these will be worthwhile, but I'll probably stick to my current collection (which I don't play that much anyway). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2006 00:44:57 +0100 From: "Martin Giles" Subject: Re: Stryngs album launch gig Hi Ron Hope everything's well with you, and thank's for the recommendation. I would point out that the 'sound samples' of the new songs on our website are demos and are much improved on the album! Martin. > for those who dont know stryngs - well - you should. the thrill of > maintaining momentum is a wonderful album - go to cdbaby & take a listen. > the samples of the new album on the stryngs site are also great. > > ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 18:16:08 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: This is probably bogus but... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" Court and Spark being an egregious example. > RR Amen to that! I finally broke down and bought a gold DCC remaster of Court and Spark and it's almost the same as the thrill I used to get from listening to the vinyl back when I was first discovering the album (and first discovering Joni, as it so happens). Mark E (or should it be D for Deviant?) in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 23:35:32 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: "The Essential Herbie Hancock", JC? I bought "The Essential Herbie Hancock" today. It's a fine introduction to an important artist but the 2nd disc lacks Mingus' "Goodbye Porkpie Hat". The sticker on the front says, "21 tracks" but the track list (on the back) counts to 20. You'll recall that several sites predicted an previously unreleased track with Joni singing. Then the release date was pushed back. When it was released, it lacked that track. I don't know who had that track pulled but I have a suspicion. The M.O. is familiar, eh? Jim L. > -----Original Message----- > Mr. Hancock's official site, > lists 20 tracks in "The Essential Herbie Hancock", > But the news section of the same site > > http://www.legacyrecordings.com/site_artists/product_10282.html > only prolongs the ambiguity. The description of the album ends with one > previously unreleased selection: a live version of Charles > Mingus' "Goodbye Porkpie Hat" featuring a vocal by Joni Mitchell.> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #116 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)