From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #111 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 111 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Is Joni a Healthy person [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Anti-war songs [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni and the Sun [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Joni and the Sun [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person [Em ] Re: Fallen Angels [Em ] Re: Ruth Paz Foundation Fundraiser ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: NY Times [Bob Muller ] Joni and the Sun ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Joni Wembley 1983 DVD ["Mauro Regis" ] Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person [Nuriel Tobias ] Anti War ... [osiris ] [none] ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Ruth Paz Foundation Fundraiser [Michael Paz ] Dog Eat Dog... Redux ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:18:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Is Joni a Healthy person Cassy wrote: "I disagree. I don't believe that Joni made any of her music to hurt it's listener badly. If one can relate to where her head is when that piece or those pieces were written then her ability to move us to huge emotion is masterful and I'm sure she intended to move us by making us think and feel strongly." Hi Cassy First of all, let me correct myself, i meant TI and not TTT, my mistake, sorry. Question is, my friend, what did she want us to think and feel strongly. It's one of the things that's been bothering me ever since i started listening to her, and i gave it a lot of thought during the years, so in this case please don't think like i'm rushing with my answer. I honestly think that an album like TI was made to make you feel very uncomfortable with yourself and the world around you. The only word i can think of to discribe this is vomit, meaning that Joni was vomitting her anger and bitterness in order to release herself, but what happened is that she's really poisoning minds in this album, and i'll never forget how sick i felt the day i heard it for the first time. It was like a snake bit me. Worse than that, i think it has come to a point where i truely feel that Joni is enjoying this. Do believe me, i'm a true fan and always will be, but i don't think that Joni is a kind woman or that she writes songs in order to make anyone feel better. There's a couple i know. Good friends of mine. Whenever the girl was feeling bad, headache or cold or whatever, she used to sleep very close to her man, and in the morning, he was ill and she was feeling great. I honestly feel that Joni's main reason of writing TI was to feel better in the morning while i'll have to wake up sick the next day. Oy-vey, it's really hard to explain... "can't count the times I've cried listening to Joni music. For me, when I play her music she creates an atmosphere where I feel safe to let myself feel and she moves me like no other songwriter ever has". Crying with Joni, i think, is something we all share. I only had to hear the opening guitar in Refuge of the Roads in order to burst in tears, and it happened every time the song, and others, was on. It's just that Joni is such a strong downer, that i often ask myself: why do i need this? Am i enjoying pain? Do i really need this blue atmosphere? I don't know...Maybe while i was a teen it was what i needed, but these days i find myself listening to Jericho a lot and not at all to her "misery" songs. I wish there were more songs like it. Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person Sorry for that stupid whoever you are remark, David...I was very tired last night when i replied and couldn't control my Israeli "hutzpa". Do forgive me. Nuri - --------------------------------- Blab-away for as little as 1"/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:34:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Fallen Angels My mate, Guy, really enjoys listening to Court and Spark (the song). We were wondering what is the full meaning of the term "Fallen angels". Does this mean Evil angels? Is Satan a fallen angel? If so, what does "L.A. city of the fallen angels" mean? Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Anti-war songs One of the most sickening things in Israeli culture is the fact the most of the anti-war songs around here are performed by none other than the I.D.F. (Israeli army) bands and choirs and are very popular at the I.D.F. radio station, the strongest radio station in Israel. Nuri - --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 02:42:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun Damn! Just when i thought i'd chatch a glimps at the nude James Taylor! Nuri Bob Muller wrote: I'm sure there was plenty of nude beaching when she was hanging out with the Mattala hippies, Nuri - and no, I don't have any pictures. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:03:17 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun Nuri asked: Skin white or skin golden? What do you think? Hi Nuri, Stardust and golden for sure and definitely back to the garden... that's what I think. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:06:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person I have to admit that "fish needs a bicycle" thing came to mind to me too! But to me, what it ends up meaning, is that a person doesn't *need* ANY other person (regardless of gender) out of a position of weakness or (gawd I hate this term) codependency. But if and when a relationship *does* happen, that its based in standing on equal footings. Give and take in healthy way, rather than one person being a suckling pig of emotion. (not saying Joni is or was that way, btw, cuz I have no clue) For alot of women I've known, that whole "gotta find a man" thing fades wonderfully away as they get older. That's one reason it would have been great to be able to see Janis Joplin at this point. I'm pretty sure she would have thrown off that "where's my daddy/ol man" mantle/hairshirt pretty soon. Its a freeing thing, rather than a death sentence. At least thats what my eyes have seen in my own friends and aquiantances. So to me, Nuri, that would be healthy...rather than something that would kill the vine or cause it to shrivel. But that's just how I see it. Others might see it differently . YOU, for instance. :) Em - --- djp wrote: > At 07:24 PM 4/13/2006, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > >"djp,reminded of a bumper sticker from the 70's: A woman without a > man is > >like a fish > >without a bicycle." > > > > Strangely enough, i'm reminded by "If i didn't have love i'd be > > nothing", so you can stick that revolting bumper wherever you feel > like... > > I seem to have hit a nerve. > > I was suggesting, and I'll suggest again, that she has *plenty* of > love in > her life, even without a husband. And she seems content, except as > regards > her treatment by the music industry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 05:14:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Fallen Angels Los Angeles, the name of the city, means "the angels" in Spanish. To me a fallen angel would be a star thats come to ruin. Someone who has seen glory, but that glory is now way diminshed or tarnished or hech, just faded away. So the angels are human, and are no longer up in the lofty places. thats my take! Em - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > My mate, Guy, really enjoys listening to Court and Spark (the song). > We were wondering what is the full meaning of the term "Fallen > angels". Does this mean Evil angels? Is Satan a fallen angel? If so, > what does "L.A. city of the fallen angels" mean? > > Nuri > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:05:15 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Ruth Paz Foundation Fundraiser Hi Paz, I wish I could be there! This is such a noble cause and in memory of your mother! That is so wonderful. One day, I'm going to be able to help you the way I want to my friend. Until then, my thoughts and prayers go with you and the foundation for a successful fundraiser! Love, Sherelle Paz wrote: Hi Everybody- This email is to let you know about a great fundraiser being held in Miami, Florida to help the Ruth Paz Foundation with our Burn Clinic in Honduras. Maria Celeste Arrara's is hosting a Rock and Roll Cocktail at her residence in Miami on Friday May 5th, 2006 from 8pm-12pm. Contribution is $300 per person. Attire is for a Rock Concert. She is a Latin TV star who is organizing this event to help us. There will be lots of celebs and there will be auctions of memorabilia etc. to raise more money. My sister and I are both planning on attending. It is possible I will not be able to go because of my video shoot schedule at Jazz Fest but I am trying to work that out. I will let you know soon as I am having a meeting with the producers today. If any of you party animals in Florida want to go please write me with your address privately and I will send you an invitation with all the details. Have a great day! Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:23:13 -0400 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Subject: NY Times What keeps happening to the NY Times Alias obituary I keep sending to the list. Someone please let me know. Thanks Frank Frank Tortorici Associate Director, Communications/Media Relations The Conference Board (212) 339-0231 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: NY Times It keeps showing up, Frank - we've seen it. Thanks for sending it. The article is also in the library. Bob NP: The Silent Jazz Trio, "Both Sides Now" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:43:34 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni and the Sun sometime we just "lay our contradictions down" (is this the line?) I smoked for a while. . I love to smoke. . but not now and I seem to be healthy about most other things. . full of contradictions some of us From: Em Hi Nuri, well not as far as the smoking. But aside from that, maybe she is healthy. I really don't know. She's not fat. So that health hazard isn't there. I just do not know. I hope so. I think of her entire "thrust" in life as healthy. Em Nuriel Tobias wrote: >Hi Em > Sorry to bother you with this question - but do you really consider >Joni as a healthy person?... >Em wrote: >People are being warned these days not to get too much sun. Where in >the 60's and 70's and 80's people would lay out alot and get dark, >now >I see people with sun bonnets and straw hats and wearing long sleeve >gauzy things, to keep the sun off. Its just healthier really, even >tho >pasty white doesn't *look* as nice as tan, I guess it is healthier. >Em _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:16:11 +0200 From: "Mauro Regis" Subject: Joni Wembley 1983 DVD This is to thank Adriano for his kind offer to pass on the "Joni at Wembley 83" dvd, I received it some days ago yesterday and I wish to honour the promise to send it along to the first person who would like to receive it. Please e-mail me separately at avvregis@tiscali.it with your snail address. Best wishes to you all. Mauro Regis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:09:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and the Sun/ Is Joni a Healthy Person Em wrote: Its a freeing thing, rather than a death sentence. At least thats what my eyes have seen in my own friends and aquiantances. So to me, Nuri, that would be healthy...rather than something that would kill the vine or cause it to shrivel. Em... Before i met Guy i was really moving from Man to Man (and woman to man too, but don't let anyone know that):). I used to think there was no real love in this world...I was really afraid of the meat market out there... These days i'm more of a Lucky Girl type o' person, hehe! Nuri - --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:57:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: That Remixes Compilation Guys, if one of you could be kind enough to send me a copy of that Joni remixes compilation that was made by one of our members...i'd be ever so thankful... Cheers, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:35:53 -0700 (PDT) From: osiris Subject: Anti War ... "anti War" button has Viet Nam era mp3`s , lyrics and some bio... most are probably quite familair at link below: http://www.jwsrockgarden.com/jw02vvaw.htm Ya`ll may want to check out the Shawn Phillips content and links as well!! A Star Without a Name A Star Without a Name When a baby is taken from the wet nurse, it easily forgets her and starts eating solid food. Seeds feed awhile on ground, then lift up into the sun. So you should taste the filtered light and work your way toward wisdom with no personal covering. That's how you came here, like a star without a name. Move across the night sky with those anonymous lights. Hope Every One has a massive Holiday weekend ! Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:19:58 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: [none] . . . got to get ourselves back to the garden _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:36:19 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Ruth Paz Foundation Fundraiser Sherelle Thanks so much. Your love and support mean so much! I wish you all could be there and we could wow them with a Joni set or two. As luck would have it I am going to be able to attend. We are NOT shooting video on May 5th so we are going to fly down to Miami that afternoon and I will fly back early am for my Saturday gig. Yay! I am hoping to hook up with some of the Florida contingent while I am there. Love Paz > Hi Paz, > > I wish I could be there! This is such a noble cause and in memory of your > mother! That is so wonderful. One day, I'm going to be able to help you the > way I want to my friend. Until then, my thoughts and prayers go with you and > the foundation for a successful fundraiser! > > Love, Sherelle > > Paz wrote: > > Hi Everybody- > This email is to let you know about a great fundraiser being held in > Miami, Florida to help the Ruth Paz Foundation with our Burn Clinic in > Honduras. > > Maria Celeste Arrara's is hosting a Rock and Roll Cocktail at her > residence in Miami on Friday May 5th, 2006 from 8pm-12pm. Contribution is > $300 per person. Attire is for a Rock Concert. > > She is a Latin TV star who is organizing this event to help us. There > will be lots of celebs and there will be auctions of memorabilia etc. to > raise more money. My sister and I are both planning on attending. It is > possible I will not be able to go because of my video shoot schedule at Jazz > Fest but I am trying to work that out. I will let you know soon as I am > having a meeting with the producers today. If any of you party animals in > Florida want to go please write me with your address privately and I will > send you an invitation with all the details. > > Have a great day! > > Love > > Paz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 02:08:47 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Dog Eat Dog... Redux I've been spending a fair amount of time in the digest archives recently and ran across a post I wrote almost 6 years ago about "Dog Eat Dog". I know it's not exactly a crowd-pleaser in this group but it's an album I really came to appreciate and love. I felt that, perhaps, it might be appropriate to repost this for some of the newer list-members. Those who can't abide DED should either delete here or read with an open mind. Warmly, Cassy NP: Diana Krall - Black Crow, Live in Montreal What I took away from the songs on DED was an editorial of the state of our society in the 80's. Joni was being critical of the way society and the media were being blasi in sensationalizing the real news and fabricating sensational news to feed the masses. Television was full of pompous, pretentiously pious preachers in pompadours; thinly veiled right-wingers. Cocaine was rampant ("Lie down, Teeth chatter, Heart pounds, I don't feel so good"). We were being fed sex to sell products more openly than ever and in the midst of the glamour-age and excess was this travesty "Ethiopia." At the time DED was released, much of the day's music, generally, had become "canned." Joni was utilizing the trend in electronic synthesizers and some programmed drums to punctuate her editorial. Listen to "Ethiopia," yes, it's an electric piano sound, but damn, it was somewhat reminiscent of the FTR piano chording, spare and stirring. The cigarette machine rhythms on Smokin' were innovative and interesting. The horns throughout are clear and cutting. The counterpoint of Rod Steiger spouting his rhetoric to her commentary on the state of evangelism was very poignant. It's apparent throughout DED that Larry Klein was hugely influential on this particular release, it's more commercial than a lot of her other music "Good Friends" got a ton of airplay while the balance of the music was, once again, largely ignored. The critics (since when have we been influenced by their opinions of her music?), felt she had gone overboard with her electronics. Many people thought the Fairlight was a sort of droning, boring sound and the sampled percussion and drums was a sell-out to technology but there's a lot going on inside those electronics. "The Three Great Stimulants" does use a programmed drum track, it sounds like a tick...tick... ticking driving us in the background and allows the "real" drums to take the foreground when they kick in. Not too many drummers could keep the relentless pace of that ticking through a 6+ minute track, so programmed drums do have their place! Joni's lyrics have always spoken to me, when DED came out I thought I was a disco queen, dressed in my leotard and danskin wrap-around skirt, dancing, cocaine-snorting, out every night partying; DED touched me in a way that made me re-evaluate my priorities, she talked of superficiality and important issues of the day that were being ignored by folks like me. It opened my eyes back up to the real world, the one in the light of day, not the lights of the spinning mirror-ball. At different times in my life Joni's music has grounded me, DED grounded me at a time when I was out of control and in need of reeling in. One more gift to be grateful for. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #111 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)