From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #95 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, April 1 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 095 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni songs in class ["mike pritchard" ] njmc/ re: Top 10 [j m ] Re: Top 20 voices ["mike pritchard" ] Morph the Cat 31.03 ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? [seulbzzaj@aol.com] Re: Joni's Supposed Comments [Randy Remote ] Not so contraversial after all [Gordon G Mackie ] Most Valuable Joni Item [Nuriel Tobias ] Top Voices [Gordon G Mackie ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Jamie's Box of Paints" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #94 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] RE: JMDL Digest V2006 #118 Elizabethtown ["clive sax" ] Out of the past [tinkersown@comcast.net] Both Sides Now on DVD-A [Dave Blackburn ] Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? [Joseph Palis ] Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Morph the Cat, now Diane Reeves ["mike pritchard" ] Re: Don Alias ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Top 10, no top 20 ["ron" ] Dianne Reeves [Joseph Palis ] RE: Top 10, no top 20 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Top 10, no top 20 ["ron" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Cassy" ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item ["Cassy" ] RE: Top 10, no top 20 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP [Catherine McKay ] Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP ["Michael Flaherty" ] Ian Shaw Interview, Part 2 [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni's Supposed Comments [Randy Remote ] Re: Most Valuable Joni Item [JRMCo1@aol.com] 911 video [Allmanfan54@aol.com] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: 911 video ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes ["Lori Fye" ] Re: 911 video ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes ["Lori Fye" ] 911 video ["Steve Anderson" ] Re: 911 video ["Lori Fye" ] Don Alias ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Randy Remote ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes [Smurf ] Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes ["Lori Fye" ] Re: Don Alias ["Lori Fye" ] New Laurel Canyon book [JRMCo1@aol.com] Leonard Cohen film debuts in Philly tonight [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:24:32 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Joni songs in class >>NP: Roger Whittaker, "Both Sides Now" (slice of cheese, anyone?)<< Confession: Roger 'Whistlin' Whittaker studied Chemistry at the UCNW, in my home town of Bangor, but I never met him there, thank the lard, because he's obviously much older than I am. mike in barcelona np Johnny Hartman: For Trane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:37:09 -0800 (PST) From: j m Subject: njmc/ re: Top 10 1, 2, 3, &4] The Manhattan Transfer 5] Bobby McFerrin 6] Joni Mitchell 7] Rikki Lee Jones 8] Al Jarreau 9] Joni Mitchell 10] Rikki Lee Jones If ya like Rikki and/or RoseAnn Cash, check out Tift Merrit & Kim Richey (Me and You is a cool tune) and of course there is Deana Carter, Toni Childs & do`nt forget George Benson, Minnie Ripperton, Phoebe Snow, Sade, ..... Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:35:09 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Top 20 voices I want to thank Mack (I think it was you, Mack) for starting the thread re voices (apologies if it was someone else), because through all this information regarding wonderful voices I was inspired to buy Johnny Hartman's 'For Trane' album recently. He was one of the Top 20 voices recommended by someone and although I had never heard of him I thought I'd take a shot, given my love for Coltrane. It turns out that track two on this CD is called 'Violets For Your Furs', and this was the track (on 'More Lasting then Bronze', I think) that made me fall in love with Coltrane's work in Wales in the 1980s. I have looked for years for MLTB but have had no luck (I know I could probably find it in 0.027 secs in Amazon but everyone needs a quest, right?) and had in fact forgotten about this track completely. How wonderful to hear it again and for all the memories of another type of life in another country to come flooding back. Thanks again for this, and so many other pleasures opened up to me by this splendid group of people. I love you all. mike in bcn np Johnny Hartman - The Nearness of You ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:36:29 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Morph the Cat 31.03 >>To Mike & everyone else who has mentioned Donald Fagen...just in case you haven't picked up on it yet, his latest solo album "Morph The Cat" has been out for 2 weeks now and I'm really liking it. (I say it's a solo album but like his others the sound is very much like Steely Dan's). I find it FAR superior to Kamakiriad and Everything Must Go, matter of fact I have to go all the way back to Aja to find a Fagen project that I've enjoyed more. While it's cleanly produced, it's not so deathly sterile and soulless like recent Fagen/Dan stuff has been. And there are some EXCELLENT solo's, hey, they even sound - dare I say it - spontaneous. Anyway, if you don't 'get' Fagen/SD, or you can't take his nasally tone, you won't like this either. But if you're a Dan fan, you'll dig it. << Hi Bob, I'm a big Steely Dan/Donald Fagen fan and there's practically nothing I don't like from him/them. Having said that, I don't hear that much of a difference between Kamakiriad and Morph the Cat. In fact, the more I listen to he latter the more I hear echoes of the former. Give me a couple more weeks and I'll tell you which lyrics from K fit seamlessly onto the music from MtC. Try this at home. Regarding your comment re Fagen projects, did you not like Two Against Nature? Wonderful, although the lyrics from this too 'fit' onto MtC. I generally find people love or hate SD, usually because they are said to be 'too laid back' or 'too slick' or 'always the same'. I like slick and laid back, and the wonderful writing and music, so the fact that it sounds similar, to some ears, doesn't bother me at all. mike in barcelona (whose copy of Randall and Claudia arrived a week before Bob's did) NP Johnny Hartman - My Funny Valentine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:41:51 -0500 From: seulbzzaj@aol.com Subject: Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? J Kendel Johnson wrote: "Joni's voice was so deteriorated on her last two albums that, after initially listening to investigate and take in the work she had done, I have not put them back in my CD player, her voice so weak and her careful tiptoeing around the places it can no longer take her grieve me so." I don't agree with that at all. I think Joni's voice is more gorgeous and expressive than ever on BSN and Travelogue, and it kills me that she stopped recording when she did, as she reached a new plateau. - - Scott ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 00:54:47 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Supposed Comments From: "J Kendel Johnson" > Joni's voice was so deteriorated on her last two albums that, after > initially listening to investigate and take in the work she had done, I > have not put them back in my CD player, her voice so weak and her careful > tiptoeing around the places it can no longer take her grieve me so. I don't know if grief is the right word, but basically, I have to agree with you. The vocal decline begins after WTRF...TTT and TI are basically "hoarse whisperers", too, the middle 'body' part of her voice is gone, along with the range on those. I don't find it adds character, wisdom, or whatever others hear. No more than when a hinge becomes rusty...it's just neglect. Though I do think it is probably reversable if she were to give up the coffin nails. But she is far too obstinate to do that, apparently...but you never know...maybe having grandchildren could change her perspective. (please, no posts that Joni doesn't owe anybody anything. I know that.) RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:52:13 +0100 From: Gordon G Mackie Subject: Not so contraversial after all Hi I should read the posts poperly before I think I'm saying something new. Doh, a Homer Simpson moment for me. Contraversial.....moi..hee hee. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:04:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni's Supposed Comments Randy Remote wrote: "maybe having grandchildren could change her perspective." More likely that she'll be the one to hand them their first cigarette...:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 02:22:41 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Most Valuable Joni Item This one goes to the more luckier guys here: What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:44:24 +0100 From: Gordon G Mackie Subject: Top Voices Hi All, Reflecting on this one...and unusually with time to spare while the guy from Scottish Gas fixes my heating, here's my tuppence worth:- Joni Mitchell (voice pre 2000)..bein' a little contrversial ..still great phrasing and understanding of a lyric but has rightly stopped recording IMHO (I know she says she has stopped for other reasons) June Tabor (she's not only a folk singer...see "Some Other Time"album or her version of 'First Time Ever I saw your face") Jussi Bjorling (if 'Ch'ella mi creda' doesnt make you cry you have no soul) Maria Callas (pre 1965 - if ever there was a lesson for JM its here) Ella Fitzgerald - she could sing a menu and I'd still be enthralled Tom Waits- what... a voice..lol. He's fab. Ute Lemper- what an artist James Taylor (though sadly I don't like a lot of his material but a great voice) Diana Krall (why don't trad jazz people like her?)- great live performer too. Dory Previn (remember her !) 'Unique' voice of a tortured soul. Great material too. 'Esthers First Communion' is a wee gem. I'll stop at 10 and await the brickbats! Not all opinions are equal. Have a good weeknd y'all Gordon ( a bit cold here...please fix my heating mister) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:27:32 +0100 From: "Jamie's Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item In terms of value, I guess it's my remastered DCC Blue but it has gone missing... hmmmm in terms of 'prized possession' it's my poster collection, my two favourite being the poster for 'Mingus' which is a gorgeous reproduction of the painting 'Sweet Sucker Dance' and the poster for DJRD which is in landscape and the colour is really thick and heavy. I'm moving this weekend and I wold die if those two got damaged. Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 31/03/06, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > This one goes to the more luckier guys here: > > What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) > > Love, > > Nuri > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2"/min or less. > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... Jamie Zubairi can be found at http://uk.voicespro.com/jamie.zubairi1 and http://uk.castingcallpro.com/jamie.zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 03:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item Price wise: probably my copy of the "Starart" book. Emotion wise: The original phote of me and Joni (thanks Pearl)and my ticket stub that she signed. Bob NP: Arctic Monkeys, "When The Sun Goes Down" (love this record) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:26:18 -0500 From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #94 Top Songsmiths Since we're in list mode, and strictly in the interests of starting a passionate argument, I hereby humbly proffer my Top 20 welders and mergers of words and music: 1. Todd Rundgren 2. Joni 3. Paul McCartney (pre-1972) 4. Laura Nyro 5. Bob Dylan 6. Brian Wilson/Smokey Robinson 8. Stevie Wonder 9. Pete Townshend 10. Fagen/Becker 11. Andy Partridge 12. Broooooce 13.Colin Moulding 14. Carole King 15. Rickie Lee Jones 16. Prince 17. David Byrne 18. David Bowie 19. Buddy Holly 20. Tom Petty Rob xx - -- Rob Steen 01326 316289 (h) 07813 668726 (mob) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 14:16:43 +0100 From: "clive sax" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2006 #118 Elizabethtown Hi all, A Few weeks ago I was watching Elizabethtown and there is a scene where the main guy is walking along a corridor to his bosses office. The walls are full of art and I thought momentarily - is that a Joni Mitchell there? I forgot about it and while doing my monthly peruse of Jonimitchell.com/JMDl I came across a design Joni Had done for Cameron Crowe for a magazine cover about Elizabethtown - which reminded me of the Joni Painting in the film. Did anyone else think this or see it or was I imagining it. In short Was there a Joni on the Wall or not? Clive By the way I saw Jane Siberry at the Barbican the other night....fantastic - was I the only uk lister there? _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:08:48 +0000 From: tinkersown@comcast.net Subject: Out of the past Hello all, After months of lurkdom, two items in the last digest cause me to drag out my concert database. Kakki wrote: >Also, I think it was Chris (CC Karma) here who has >posted that she used to sing at the old Nucleaus Nuance >club on Melrose in the 80s. It must have been a story in the LA Times that she often sang at the Bla Bla Cafe on Laurel Canyon in North Hoillywood that prompted me to drive up there in October '71. There was a singer named Rick Abao, but no Joni that night. And Les wrote: >A message has come across the website stating that Don Alias was >found dead in his home this morning. Can anyone confirm this? Sad news, if confirmed. Joni and Don were sitting nearby at the Bob Dylan concert at the Universal Amphitheatre 6/7/78 (I've told this story before) and I got to show them my LOTC geese pants. *************************************************** Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA tinkersown@comcast.net "The Living Tradition Concert Series" www.thelivingtradition.org "Folk Alliance Region - West" www.far-west.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:26:12 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: Both Sides Now on DVD-A I don't know how many of you are into hi-res surround DVD-A but Both Sides Now is absolutely breathtaking when you are "inside" the mix. As far as I can tell it is the only Joni album available in true 24/96 5.1 surround. If your DVD player is DVD-A capable and you have the home theater speaker thing set up I highly recommend getting a copy. They cost the same as a full price CD, about $18. But I'm getting the idea on this list that Joni's "smoky" last albums are not well liked round here. My take on the smoking thread is that, although watching someone shorten their life by smoking is tragic, that very "tragic-ness" is conveyed in the singing voice and adds gravitas to a lyric like nothing else. Bonnie Raitt too would never have her sound without the whiskey and smokes all those pre-Grammy years. For my money Joni's voice is gorgeous on her last albums even though she sounds like a different singer than before. And BSN in surround is the way to hear it. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:32:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Hush the Chain Smokers? seulbzzaj@aol.com a icrit : I don't agree with that at all. I think Joni's voice is more gorgeous and expressive than ever on BSN and Travelogue, and it kills me that she stopped recording when she did, as she reached a new plateau. I agree with this assessment as well. Although I like Joni's voice best during the "Mingus" period, she achieved a different level of authenticity with her nicotine-soaked voice. Some said it is ragged, broken, a shadow of its former self but for all its technical flaws, Joni's voice in BSN and T'log made me re-appreciate the standards (I thought her "Answer Me My Love" is a killer) and her songs ("Love" is lovely). It is a voice similar to late period Brigitte Fontaine whose half-speech, half-sung vocalization blew me pieces (I am still putting myself into its rightful places). Joseph in CH np: Susan Werner "If I Sang Like Cole Porter" - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 11:05:49 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP In a message dated 3/31/2006 10:47:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, tinkersown@comcast.net writes: Sad news, if confirmed. Joni and Don were sitting nearby at the Bob Dylan concert at the Universal Amphitheatre 6/7/78 (I've told this story before) and I got to show them my LOTC geese pants. Unfortunately this news has been confirmed by Don's Official websites Administrator. You can post comments there if you wish. _www.donalias.com_ (http://www.donalias.com) I am deeply saddened by this news. I loved the Shadows & Light era, one of my favorite albums. Just listen to Don's solo following Black Crow on disc two.(hi Bob :~) A sad day and major loss indeed in the music/drummer's world. Despite Joni's perm, I thought she looked and sounded terrific during this tour. First Jaco, now Don....:~( I can't believe there has not been more response to this here and elsewhere. He had collaborated with some may of the great ones. rosie in nj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:50:06 +0200 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Morph the Cat, now Diane Reeves Joseph wrote: >>np - Good night and good luck soundtrack This is such a classy album. Gorgeous vocals, excellent key charts, choice selection of tunes, plus this elegantly sung original "Who's Minding the Store?". This is a Highly recommended jazz vocal album that won this year's Grammy for Best Jazz Vocal. Plus, (and I am sure Bob will agree) Dianne Reeves probably gave one of the most definitive versions of Joni's "River" (studio record and live). Personally I like the version of Janis Siegel better but with so many stellar versions, we have an embarrassment of riches.<< Hi Joseph, I echo your comments and in fact I said (almost) as much in a post on March 17, although I didn't go into detail. In fact my 'now playing' that day was, and I quote (myself): "np - Diane Reeves - Good Night and Good Luck: this is sooooooooooo classy." mike in barcelona np John Renbourn - John Barleycorn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:02:16 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Don Alias Oh dear no!!! I'm so, so sorry to hear this! Thank you though Rose for sharing this with us. what a sad day indeed! Sherelle Rose wrote: Sadly, I think it is so. When you go to a webite _www.donalias.com_ (http://www.donalias.com) it shows a photograph of Don with these dates underneath 25 Dec 1939~28 Mar 2006 :~( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:11:56 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 hi >>>kate wrote (re shawn colvin) > I just have to chime in on this one (hi ron!)... when I first heard the > song > steady on it blew... me... away... just like I was when I first heard the > song I had a king & you know the rest for the first time... then there is > avalanche, orion, in the dead of the night & so so so so so many many > more... if anyone is deserving of wearing joni's crown it is imo, shawn > colvin... i dont have any of those songs - what albums are they on? ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:18:16 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Dianne Reeves Hi Joseph, I echo your comments and in fact I said (almost) as much in a post on March 17, although I didn't go into detail. In fact my 'now playing' that day was, and I quote (myself): "np  Diane Reeves  Good Night and Good Luck: this is sooooooooooo classy." Hi Mike -- Wow, we are thinking along similar lines most of the times. Serendipitous that we will use the same word "classy" to describe that album, and that artist. Or I may have subconsciouslyused your words to describe it just now. I also like Dianne Reeves' version of Joni's Both Sides Now from her "Quiet After the Storm" album. Very moving. Just her and the piano accompaniment of her cousin who is also the album's producer -- George Duke. - --------------------------------- Dicouvez le nouveau Yahoo! Messenger : appelez vers des tiliphones en France et ` partir de 0,012 /minute ! Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:32:35 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Top 10, no top 20 Cool, I maybe able to make a believer of you yet Ron!!! Steady On (her first studio album) & Fat City (her second studio album this time with Larry Klein as producer) are my favorite albums (her two live albums are great too but I'd get the two studio albums first)... Those first albums have the songs I've mentioned (plus other good ones like Diamond in the Rough & Poloroids. She got grammy for A Few Small Repairs which I thought was one or two albums late but maybe it was because of her song Sunny Came Home got a lot of airplay? Or you don't get a grammy for your first album? Dunno. Her last album A Whole New You was a whole lot of disappointment & her awesome trademark guitar playing was totally absent! However, rumor has it she's working on a new album & will be bringing back her guitar for that one due to popular demand. Anyway, if you have one shot at assessing her songwriting skills I'd recommend getting Steady On. If you like that one get Fat City next. Let me know what you think about Steady On!!!!!!!! >i dont have any of those songs - what albums are they on? Ron< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:00:48 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Top 10, no top 20 hi kate >>>kate wrote > Her last album A Whole New You was a whole lot of disappointment & her > awesome trademark guitar playing was totally absent! > Anyway, if you have one shot at assessing her songwriting skills I'd > recommend getting Steady On. If you like that one get Fat City next. i have whole new you, cover girl, and holiday songs & lullabyes. ill definitely check out the ones you recomend. as i say - i think she is a superb singer - just somehow capable of more than ive heard so far. ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 12:57:59 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item From: "Nuriel Tobias" <<< What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) >>> I don't know about monetary value but I've had one of the original posters from "Hejira" framed and on the wall of any home I've had for many years, I don't know what I'd do without it. Friends and acquaintances who drop by identify me immediately as a Joni fan and I can't count how many people I've played Disc Jockey for because they weren't familiar with her work... many now fans themselves. I also avidly collect anything remotely Joni and showed off some of my collection in 2000 at the Townsend mini-fest in Michigan. I desperately want a pair of tin ears from Turbulent Indigo but alas it doesn't seem in the cards. Warmly, Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:02:09 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item Speaking of the Townsend in 2000, I forgot to mention my BSN limited, autographed lithographs which are still sitting in tubes I've never opened. I bought the portraits, front and back view of Joni smoking at the "No Smoking" bar. Warmly, Cassy NP: Nucleus - Alan Parson's Project ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:19:55 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Top 10, no top 20 Great! A whole new you is her low point imo. (I don't have the holiday songs- the only one I don't have) & cover girl is great but she's doing covers so you don't hear her own songwriting skills which imo are considerable... >i have whole new you, cover girl, and holiday songs & lullabyes. ill definitely check out the ones you recomend. as i say - i think she is a superb singer - just somehow capable of more than ive heard so far. Ron< ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:23:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/31/2006 10:47:22 AM Eastern > Standard Time, > tinkersown@comcast.net writes: > > Sad news, if confirmed. Joni and Don were sitting > nearby at the Bob > Dylan concert at the Universal Amphitheatre 6/7/78 > (I've told this > story before) and I got to show them my LOTC geese > pants. > > > > Unfortunately this news has been confirmed by Don's > Official websites > Administrator. You can post comments there if you > wish. _www.donalias.com_ > (http://www.donalias.com) > I am deeply saddened by this news. I loved the > Shadows & Light era, one of > my favorite albums. Just listen to Don's solo > following Black Crow on disc > two.(hi Bob :~) A sad day and major loss indeed in > the music/drummer's world. > Despite Joni's perm, I thought she looked and > sounded terrific during this > tour. First Jaco, now Don....:~( I can't believe > there has not been more > response to this here and elsewhere. He had > collaborated with some may of the great > ones. > I add my expression of disappointment in this not being bigger news. Maybe Don's name isn't well known in the big world, but what about the jazz world, and the drums-and-percussion world? It's thanks to musicians like Jaco P and Don Alias (and I guess it goes back to Joni), that I started paying more attention to bass and drums/percussion. Before that, bass and drums were background noise to me. But both Jaco and Don were so superb at what they did, that they made you take notice. I'm also disappointed that Don's own website doesn't say anything beyond posting a picture, his name and birth and death dates, after which there's a form to submit. I would hope there would be more about him and his life, but there's nothing. Maybe the website is run by a fan or family member, so there aren't any big bucks to do more, and that will come later. I did a google search yesterday and the only sites that I found that had info about his death (and all they had was the date) were his own site and wikipedia (who had little more, but wikipedia is edited by anyone, so what do you expect?) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP I LOVE S&L, the album and the video - I can watch it again and again and never tire of it. Joni looks so damn sexy, and for that matter so does Don, very Omar Shariff/worldly handsome. They had a little fling, did they not? And of course she name-checks him in the live version of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat". And imo she's never had a better band - I think the high quality of these players pushed her to go above her own high bar. RIP, Don - peace to your family and loved ones, and thanks for your contributions to our world and to the one we live in. Bob NP: Bob Dylan, "Hurricane" - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:25:47 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:36:16 -0800 (PST) Bob Muller wrote: And imo she's never had a better > band - I think the high quality of these players > pushed her to go above her own high bar. Agreed. Don also played on Miles Davis's "Bitches Brew". I know nothing about the person, but he was a great talent. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:24:30 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Don Alias - brief bio Don Alias attended Gannan College studying medicine and later went to Boston to study biochemistry. During this time he met Tony Williams and Chick Corea and played bass in a Latin jazz group with Tony, Chick and congero Bill Fitch. His first professional engagement was with the Eartha Kitt dance troupe performing with the Dizzy Gillespie Big Band of 1957. He learned most of his craft on the streets of New York associating with other percussionists who studied Afro-Cuban drumming. Don joined Nina Simone and became the Musical Director during the last of his three years with her group. In the band was bassist Gene Perla who he later went on with to co-lead the group Stone Alliance. His association with Miles Davis came during the "Bitches Brew" 1969-70 period. After making this historic recording, he went on the road with Miles for a year. During his long and varied career, Don has enjoyed stints playing trap drums with Blood, Sweat & Tears and Mongo Santamaria, and as a percussionist with Joni Mitchell, Sting and all of Jaco Pastorious' live recordings. Presently, he is re-instituting his group Stone Alliance. In the past, Stone Alliance has toured South America, Europe, and the U.S. and have 4 albums to their credit. The current members of the power trio are Don, drums and percussion, Gene Perla, electric bass, and Mitch Stein, electric guitar. - --------------- Don's gone, but he's never to be forgotten... - -Julius NP: Miles Davis/Don Alias - "Bitches Brew" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:48:37 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Out of the past, now Don Alias RIP In a message dated 3/31/2006 1:36:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, scjoniguy@yahoo.com writes: I LOVE S&L, the album and the video - I can watch it again and again and never tire of it. Joni looks so damn sexy, and for that matter so does Don, very Omar Shariff/worldly handsome. They had a little fling, did they not? And of course she name-checks him in the live version of "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat". And imo she's never had a better band - I think the high quality of these players pushed her to go above her own high bar. I concur Bob, IMO, this was her band. I too love this video and can watch it over and over again as well. And yes, I do believe they had a fling. Richard Blackwell, (played congas on Bruce's earlier albums) was a personal friend of Don's, and mentioned it when he learned I was a Joni fan. rosie NP: Marah, My Heart is the Bums on the Street ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:08:05 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item Nuriel asked a great question: > What's the most valuable Joni item that you posses? (In terms of price or emotion) Price: Limited edition "Night Ride Home" cd ... or Limited Edition "Both Sides Now" hatbox (neither of which are really worth a whole, whole lot in terms of price, at least not yet). Emotion: a well-worn copy of the Joni Mitchel Songbook, Volume 2 (I'm not sure if that's the correct title), which I bought brand new in 1978 or 1979 and have been carrying around ever since, even though I cannot play one single song from it. I just like having it, love its photographs in particular. For all I know, its value actually exceeds that of either of the "limited edition" cds I have. : ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:19:56 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ian Shaw Interview, Part 2 http://www.linnrecords.com/news/news_item_viewer.asp?NewsID=166 Interesting in that the first question asked of Ian in this second part is based on information that I provided to Linn, the fact that three of the tracks have never been recorded by anyone else besides Joni. Bob NP: Mark Isaacs, "Both Sides Now" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:59:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Supposed Comments > Randy Remote wrote: "maybe having grandchildren > could change her perspective." > > > More likely that she'll be the one to hand them their first > cigarette...:) > > Love, > > Nuri : ( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:24:36 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Most Valuable Joni Item I love my mint condition Blue songbook. I think I love them all, actually. So, I'll say my complete Joni songbook collection. Yeah. Took a while to collect them all...but in a way, they complete me. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:23:25 EST From: Allmanfan54@aol.com Subject: 911 video Most of us are busy people. We live in a fast paced society, and finding even an hour and a half to sit in front of the computer to watch a video can be hard to do. Well, guess what..............to anyone who has ever doubted the motivation and scruples of our government, and many more who haven't, its real simple. Find the hour and a half and watch this video. Get as many of your friends as you can to watch it with you. Spend a couple of minutes and forward the link to everyone on your email list. It is indeed very disturbing, so you won't need popcorn, or Milk Duds, but you may need someone to snap your jaw shut when your done. I don't know who you are Lori, but thank you Peace Ed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:39:23 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes To those who so easily speak of Joni's smoken voice and being unable to listen to her last albums... If you had a mother when you were a baby, and every night she would sing you a beautiful song that made everything magical and vivid for you - would you not want to hear her when she's older and smokier? Or maybe you'd like Judy Collins to perform for you when you're older and smokier yourself? Plus i think the TTT is a masterpiece of how much can an older and smokier voice achieve, in terms of both RANGE (oh yes, Randy) and the way it's "forcing" the music to be briliant. Joni's voice is not a trumpet that you just throw away once it's rusted. She's a poet who's been there for you most of your life. Hehe - i can actually see you playing those albums a lot once she's gone. Oh, i see, you don't smoke...:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:57:48 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 911 video > Most of us are busy people. We live in a fast paced society, and finding > even an hour and a half to sit in front of the computer to watch a video can be > hard to do. Well, guess what..............to anyone who has ever doubted the > motivation and scruples of our government, and many more who haven't, its real > simple. Find the hour and a half and watch this video. Get as many of your > friends as you can to watch it with you. Spend a couple of minutes and forward > the link to everyone on your email list. It is indeed very disturbing, so > you won't need popcorn, or Milk Duds, but you may need someone to snap your jaw > shut when your done. I don't know who you are Lori, but thank you Well said, Ed, and you're welcome. Actually, I again need to thank Mark Morfordof the San Francisco Chronicle for publishing the link where I would notice it. As for me, I'm just the gay girl next door ... ; ) Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:07:07 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes Joni's smoke doesn't get in my eyes -- or my ears. Yes, my favorite "Joni voice" is that of her Court & Spark/Hissing/Hejira/DJRD/Mingus days (Hejira being my first Joni album), but I love her voice as much in her later work. Actually, I think I prefer Joni's voice of today over her "helium" voice of, say, LOTC. But that's just me. Recently I was asked during a job interview what my dream job would be. I said I would love to paid to ride my motorcycle. But that's not really my dream job. My dream job would be to work for Joni Mitchell, in any sort of capacity she might hire me. Yes, I know she's moody (she's a Scorpio, afterall). But I think it would be so awesome to work for her, as her assistant, her secretary, her whatever. (Okay, maybe not her housekeeper). However, to do that would mean I would have to deal with Joni's smoking, too. I don't care for cigarette smoke, and lately have been so glad to now live in California because I can go ANYWHERE and not be assaulted by ciggie smoke. It's great to be able to go to a bar and not come home smelling like someone else's ... breath or lungs. However, Joni smokes, she always has, she probably always will. She has said it "grounds" her. Perhaps it has wreaked havoc on her voice, or maybe her changing voice is the result of age, or maybe it's a combination of those and other things. But her voice is still beautiful, SHE is still beautiful, and I would gladly put up with her smoking any day, just for the time I could spend getting to know her. Just daydreaming, Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:14:17 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 911 video Oops. My apologies. I meant to edit this to add NJC. Joni-Onlies, please forgive? Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:16:35 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes Reading posts in random order, I just saw this from Kate: > jeff who never cared for her voice before hearing > travelogue just loves her sound now... joni are you listening????????? See ... everyone has different ears, different tastes. I wouldn't count Joni out anytime soon (or ever). Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:47:29 -0600 From: "Steve Anderson" Subject: 911 video I have been trying to download this so I cna have it and cannot seem to get it to download. I installed the goggle player but it just plays and the sound flutters. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch for the link and the help. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:04:39 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: 911 video I've replied to Steve off-list. As a reminder, in the future we should all add (NJC) to this subject, in fairness to those on the Joni-only versions of the discussion list. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:24:22 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Don Alias For some reason his death just shocked me into no words. But I want to add my thoughts & sadness that he's gone way too young. Joni must be very very sad. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:36:30 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes I don't quite get the logic. The options are: Joni's smoky voice or nothing? Of course, even if my mother was a junkie, I would prefer her to be alive to not being there at all.....so...? Of course I cherish the fact that Joni is with us, and welcome her creativity in whatever form it may take. If she wants to retire from public life, that's fine. She's been to the mountain top, and it was a helluva ride that we are all lucky to have shared. I'm glad she made those later albums, too, if only for the people that like her later voice. Personally, I don't play those albums, not only for the wasted vocal cords, but because the songs are mostly weaker imo. (donning helmut at this point). But there is just no way to rejoice that she is hastening her ill health by chain smoking, and the voice is a real-time reminder of that. Joni is an adult, and entitled to do what she wants, and fuck me or anyone who thinks they know better. Still, anyone who has a loved one who smokes heavily or has another dangerous addiction wishes they would shake it, and pursue a healthier course of action. I've been on both sides of that equation. And by range, I meant musical range, not emotional. RR, who likes earlier Billie Holiday, too, and doesn't really enjoy her later raspiness, and doesn't know why he is referring to himself in the third person. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes > To those who so easily speak of Joni's smoken voice and being unable to > listen to her last albums... > > If you had a mother when you were a baby, and every night she would sing > you a beautiful song that made everything magical and vivid for you - > would you not want to hear her when she's older and smokier? Or maybe > you'd like Judy Collins to perform for you when you're older and smokier > yourself? > > Plus i think the TTT is a masterpiece of how much can an older and > smokier voice achieve, in terms of both RANGE (oh yes, Randy) and the way > it's "forcing" the music to be briliant. > > > Joni's voice is not a trumpet that you just throw away once it's rusted. > She's a poet who's been there for you most of your life. Hehe - i can > actually see you playing those albums a lot once she's gone. > > > Oh, i see, you don't smoke...:) > > Love, > > Nuri ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:50:19 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Fye" > Reading posts in random order, I just saw this from Kate: > >> jeff who never cared for her voice before hearing >> travelogue just loves her sound now... joni are you listening????????? > > See ... everyone has different ears, different tastes. "goes to show you never can tell" -Chuck Berry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:08:30 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes - --- Lori wrote: << My dream job would be to work for Joni Mitchell, in any sort of capacity she might hire me. Yes, I know she's moody (she's a Scorpio, afterall). But I think it would be so awesome to work for her, as her assistant, her secretary, her whatever. (Okay, maybe not her housekeeper). >> Ha, Lori! THREE quotations immediately popped into my brain in the following order: "No man is a hero to his valet." "More tears are shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones." "Be careful what you wish for." First, if I never meet Joni that's fine with me. I'd probably be introduced to her on a bad day and she'd most likely tell me to feck myself and I'd tell her her '80s hairdo sucked and that would be the end of my 30+ year obsession with the finest songwriter of my time on this earth. I have seen Joni in concert 4 times, from the early '70s through her 2000 tour, and I am grateful for that -- it's enough. As far as smoking goes, I was fortunate enough to have found the strength to beat the addiction more than 2 years ago. Since then I have been diagnosed with mild obstructive disease and asthma. My doctor has told me I cannot ever smoke *anything* again and I need to avoid cigarette smoke. After 35+ years of smoking, I am glad to have gotten off so easily. And I am grateful to live in a state that prohibits smoking in all public places. (In fact, I now work for the man who gets much of the credit for getting the laws changed in Massachusetts.) I do not lecture friends who still smoke, but I do avoid them when they light up. There is not a day that goes by when I do not regret the damage I've done to myself and feel guilt for all the secondhand smoke I made friends, passersby and other total strangers inhale over the years. As someone who has done more stupid things in a lifetime than most small, rowdy crowds will ever do, I consider smoking cigarettes the lamest and most inexcusable exercise in idiocy I have ever carried on. I wish the whole world would quit; not for my sake, but for their own. Now that I've come out of the fog, it seems basic that breathing clean air is a pretty damn good idea. But tomorrow morning I will go to my mother's nursing home and take her outside and light her cigarettes for her, because it's what she wants and it's one of her life's only pleasures. (She has no interest in quitting even though she's been smoking for more than 70 years.) It's a crazy addiction that I see from both sides now, so when Joni offers me that job, Lori, I am going to have to do my best Nancy Reagan imitation and just say NO! But if that's what you really want to do, Lori, breathe the secondhand smoke of someone who can't or won't quit, I will give her your resume and suggest that she offer a good health plan when she hires you. XO, - --Smurf, smoke-free and still wheezing Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:54:03 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Joni's Smoke Gets In Your Eyes > But if that's what you really want to do, Lori, > breathe the secondhand smoke of someone who can't or > won't quit, I will give her your resume and suggest > that she offer a good health plan when she hires you. Smurf, I was thinking of you a lot as I wrote what I did about wanting to work for Joni, because I know it was hard for you to quit and I know how much it means to you that you have quit. And I'm glad you've quit. Very glad. I don't mean to seem as if I "approve" of Joni's smoking. I just know that I can't do anything about it, anymore than I can convince those in my family (that would be most of my family, actually) to quit. I've tried all kinds of reasoning with them, but nothing works and so I just choose to hold my breath or go outside or whatever. Still ... I would like to meet Joni someday. I probably won't, but it's been something I've wished for since 1977. And I would put up with her smoking to do it. I would work for her if she offered me a job. So if you have an "in," then yes, please do forward my resume to her. (I would attach it but that would be too much, wouldn't it?) I don't think smoking is sexy or smart by any means -- in fact I often want to walk up to people and say, "You looked so great until you lit up. How unattractive." But it is what it is: one of the most powerful addictions on the planet, and I accept that Joni chooses to smoke. Lori, who still smokes some things sometimes, has been covered head to toe in PCB-laden oil, has been seriously radiated upon, et cetera ... and who just doesn't worry about any of it anymore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 21:43:34 -0800 From: "Lori Fye" Subject: Re: Don Alias > For some reason his death just shocked me into no words. That's how I've been feeling. When I first read the news yesterday, all I could say was an almost involuntary, "Oh, no." It's just sad. Death sucks. Lori ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 02:40:07 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: New Laurel Canyon book You saw the movie? Now read the book, if ya wanna... From some entertainment news website: Laurel Canyon's rock 'n' roll legacy CALL Hollywood's Laurel Canyon the original rock 'n' roll suburb. From the mid-1960s to the early '80s, a massive influx of British rockers and East Coast bohemians mingled with local druggies and folkies, rockers and hippies in a leafy mountainside enclave just north of the Sunset Strip. Author Michael Walker's "Laurel Canyon: The Inside Story of Rock and Roll's Legendary Neighborhood," (Farrar Straus and Giroux) chronicles the canyon's decadent musical menagerie as it came to be defined by the rock royalty that lived there b members of the Doors, the Byrds, the Mamas & the Papas, Crosby, Stills & Nash, Frank Zappa and Joni Mitchell, among many others. "There was this tribal life, this incredible hotbed of talent," Walker, a Laurel Canyon dweller, explains. "Two dozen of the baby boom generation's signature artists were neighbors in a place with a history of tolerating unapologetic behavior. "There was a lot of energy and creativity. A lot of what turned out to be the 20th century's most lasting compositions were recorded in Laurel Canyon." - --- - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 02:48:01 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Leonard Cohen film debuts in Philly tonight Posted on Thu, Mar. 30, 2006 PHILADELPHIA FILM FESTIVAL Leonard Cohen, in his timeless words and music By Steven Rea Inquirer Movie Critic REVIEW: Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man Poet, novelist, songwriter and fabled Romeo (a 1977 album, produced by Phil Spector of all people, is called Death of a Ladies' Man), Leonard Cohen emerged from the same '60s folk scene that spawned Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell, the same '60s Beat era that spawned Allen Ginsberg and Jack Kerouac. But Cohen, a Montrealer, always stood apart. He wore suits. He didn't sing, he croaked. He seemed older (he was - he's 71 now). And his songs ("Suzanne," "Sisters of Mercy," "Chelsea Hotel"), meditations on love and God, solitude and sex, felt timeless. Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man, a glorious mix of documentary and concert film, shows just how timeless his music, and words, are. Intercutting interviews and archival footage with performances from a tribute concert held in Sydney in early 2005, the movie captures the elegance, wit, spiritual longing and deep hum-ability of Cohen's work. Rufus Wainwright, Beth Orton, Jarvis Cocker, Linda Thompson, Teddy Thompson, Nick Cave and the falsetto-crazy Antony are among the stars who sing. U2's Bono and The Edge chime in with backstage praise. And Cohen, raking over his past and his present, reflects. Like his songs, Cohen's interview borders on the pretentious but never gets there - ably deflated by irony and self-deprecation. The Sydney Opera House concert was produced by the great Hal Willner, the film was directed by Lian Lunson. It's a gem. DETAILS: Directed by Lian Lunson, concert produced by Hal Willner. With Leonard Cohen, Rufus Wainwright, Beth Orton, Nick Cave, Bono, Antony and others. Running time: 1 hour, 38 mins. Parent's guide: No MPAA rating (adult themes) Playing at: 10 p.m. Fri., March 31 at the Bridge and 5 p.m. Sat., April 1 at the Ritz. More information: www.phillyfests.com Contact movie critic Steven Rea at 215-854-5629 or srea@phillynews.com. Read his recent work at http://go.philly.com/stevenrea. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #95 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)