From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #79 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 17 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 079 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["mike pritchard" ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Michael Flaherty" ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Sherelle Smith" ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Patti Parlette" ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni and Mariah [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: apologies ["Sherelle Smith" ] Mar 17 - May 22 at Mendel: "The Amazing Childhood of Joni Mitchell" ["Jim] re: Latest news from JoniMitchell.com ["mia _" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:55:37 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >>I just learned that Joan Didion wrote a book of essays called "Slouching Towards Bethlehem."<< And darned good it is too on the 60s zeitgeist. Check it out. mike in bcn NP Art Pepper - Over the Rainbow ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem Interesting, oui. This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's lyrics to expound on a thought. She takes such time and effort to put those words onto paper and into being. It kind of justifies the way we feel about her music. It touches us, teaches us and makes us better people because it's real and raw. Now I definitely have to read up on Joan Didion!!!She is a woman of heart and mind like our Joni!!! (See what you have got me doing Pretty Patti Parlette??? Smile) Love, Sherelle >From: "Patti Parlette" >To: joni@smoe.org, sherellesmith@hotmail.com >Subject: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:32:17 +0000 > >Sherelle wrote (among other beautiful heartfelt stuff): > >This book by Joan Didion sounds like it is a very good one. I would like to >read it because the excerpt definitely speaks to my heart. > >------ > >You know how I compared her one paragraph to Joni lyrics? I just learned >that Joan Didion wrote a book of essays called "Slouching Towards >Bethlehem." This may be common knowledge here but it's new to me. (Am I >living in a dream these days?) > >Joan and Joni. Interesting, non? > >Love, > >Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 06:47:54 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever written and performed. I'm sorry, but for years i've been trying to understand why folks mock her and i still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling Stone, who claim that Mariah is an insult to artists such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. Love, Nuri Jerry Notaro wrote: From the new Rolling Stone: 3Imagine my disbelief to see Mariah Carey on the cover. I can9t recall an artist who has recorded more dreck than her. Every time one of Mariah9s sixth-grade fans buys one of her records, it9s a slap in the face to true female artists such and Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Aretha Franklin.2 Jerry - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:00:31 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah Maybe it's because she has wasted a gorgeous gift with overblown productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. Jerry > "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever written and performed. I'm > sorry, but for years i've been trying to understand why folks mock her and i > still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling Stone, who claim that Mariah > is an insult to artists such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the > late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. > > > Love, > > Nuri > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > From the new Rolling Stone: > > 3Imagine my disbelief to see Mariah Carey on the cover. I can9t recall an > artist who has recorded more dreck than her. Every time one of Mariah9s > sixth-grade fans buys one of her records, it9s a slap in the face to true > female artists such and Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Aretha > Franklin.2 > > Jerry > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:17:10 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem - --- Sherelle Smith wrote: > Interesting, oui. > > This makes perfect sense that an author would use > Joni's lyrics to expound > on a thought. Whoa, there! Let's not forget Mr Yeats who wrote the poem that Joni adapted to her song. And I don't know the timeframe for when Joan Didion wrote her "Slouching" and when Joni Mitchell wrote hers. Though I'd like to think that our Joan reads Didion and vice versa, who knows (but perhaps an intrepid researcher with time on her hands, no child to raise might be tempted), and I think we should give credit where it's due, to William Butler Yeats: - ------------------------------------- The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all convictions, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 10:18:36 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever > written and performed. I'm sorry, but for years i've > been trying to understand why folks mock her and i > still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling > Stone, who claim that Mariah is an insult to artists > such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the > late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. > > Sorry, Nuri, and I've sometimes vowed never to diss other artists, but I absolutely, loathe, detest, nay abhor, Mariah Carey. Ick. Yuck. Ptooey! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 07:14:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah If the girl wants to act in sexy ways, why can't she? When it comes to Mariah, i see it not as image building, but as who she really is, she said so herself many times, and i believe her. As is see it, Mariah is an amazing singer and songwriter, and she didn't waste nothing more than Joni who chose to feed cats for the rest of her life. Love, Nuri Jerry Notaro wrote: Maybe it's because she has wasted a gorgeous gift with overblown productions, too much drama, lingerie and silicone. Jerry > "Butterfly" by Mariah is one of the best songs ever written and performed. I'm > sorry, but for years i've been trying to understand why folks mock her and i > still don't understand. I wonder if the Rolling Stone, who claim that Mariah > is an insult to artists such as Joni, even know about Joni's work since the > late 90's. It's them who are the insult to music. > > > Love, > > Nuri > > Jerry Notaro wrote: > From the new Rolling Stone: > > 3Imagine my disbelief to see Mariah Carey on the cover. I can9t recall an > artist who has recorded more dreck than her. Every time one of Mariah9s > sixth-grade fans buys one of her records, it9s a slap in the face to true > female artists such and Patti Smith, Joni Mitchell, Tina Turner, and Aretha > Franklin.2 > > Jerry > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. - --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:30:08 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 "Sherelle Smith" wrote: > Interesting, oui. > > This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's >lyrics to expound on a thought. Actually, Didion's title has nothing to do with Joni--her book came out before Joni's song did. They were both inspired by W. B. Yeats: The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all convictions, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. Surely some revelation is at hand; Surely the Second Coming is at hand. The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert A shape with lion body and the head of a man, A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. The darkness drops again; but now I know That twenty centuries of stony sleep Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:02:58 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not studied in Yeats at all! Sherelle Catherine wrote: > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Interesting, oui. > > > > This makes perfect sense that an author would use > > Joni's lyrics to expound > > on a thought. > >Whoa, there! Let's not forget Mr Yeats who wrote the >poem that Joni adapted to her song. And I don't know >the timeframe for when Joan Didion wrote her >"Slouching" and when Joni Mitchell wrote hers. Though >I'd like to think that our Joan reads Didion and vice >versa, who knows (but perhaps an intrepid researcher >with time on her hands, no child to raise might be >tempted), and I think we should give credit where it's >due, to William Butler Yeats: > >------------------------------------- > >The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats > >Turning and turning in the widening gyre >The falcon cannot hear the falconer; >Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; >Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, >The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere >The ceremony of innocence is drowned; >The best lack all convictions, while the worst >Are full of passionate intensity. > >Surely some revelation is at hand; >Surely the Second Coming is at hand. >The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out >When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi >Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert >A shape with lion body and the head of a man, >A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, >Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it >Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. >The darkness drops again; but now I know >That twenty centuries of stony sleep >Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, >And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, >Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? > > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:14:36 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem I'm smiling because in my original slouching post I had pasted Yeats' poem, but then deleted it because I figured it was common knowledge here. I am perpetually amazed at how learned and well-read and erudite Joni is with all her biblical and literary references, not to mention her music and lyrics and painting and social conscience and "you know....." How brilliant can one person be? Je m'abaisse devant sa grandeur encore une fois. Love, Patti P., who can't wait to use her Barnes and Noble gift card to buy some Didion books -- lovely (literary) landscapes to discover! >From: "Michael Flaherty" >To: "Sherelle Smith" ,loveuconn@hotmail.com, >joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:30:08 -0600 > >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 > "Sherelle Smith" wrote: >>Interesting, oui. >> >>This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's lyrics to expound >>on a thought. > >Actually, Didion's title has nothing to do with Joni--her book came out >before Joni's song did. They were both inspired by W. B. Yeats: > >The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats > >Turning and turning in the widening gyre >The falcon cannot hear the falconer; >Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; >Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, >The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere >The ceremony of innocence is drowned; >The best lack all convictions, while the worst >Are full of passionate intensity. > >Surely some revelation is at hand; >Surely the Second Coming is at hand. >The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out >When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi >Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert >A shape with lion body and the head of a man, >A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, >Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it >Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. >The darkness drops again; but now I know >That twenty centuries of stony sleep >Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, >And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, >Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? > >Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 16:25:04 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not studied in Yeats at all! > >Sherelle > > But now you "are" -- because you know life is for learning on the JMDL! ; ) It's your vehicle, baby, it'll take you anywhere you want to go! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 11:32:30 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem - --- Patti Parlette wrote: > > > > >My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not > studied in Yeats at all! > > > >Sherelle > > > > > > But now you "are" -- because you know life is for > learning on the JMDL! ; ) Parlette, la parleuse, beat me to that. Life IS for learning. Here's another Joni line for ya, Sherelle, "No apologies!" No need to apologize here. If I came across as preachy, pedantic and a wise-ass, I'd apologize, but y'know... I'm not that learned, but I did study some Yeats in first year university. I'm surprised I remember anything from back then. I certainly don't remember what happened yesterday, for example! > It's your vehicle, baby, it'll take you anywhere > you want to go! > That song had a great horn riff in it and I'll take it over "Cherish" any day! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni and Mariah That's ok, my dear.:) But let me tell you something. Sometimes a good surprise can come from an unexpected direction. It happened to me more than once that an artist i totaly hated, surprised me with a song i totaly liked. That can make you feel real good and in a special way. For instance Anastasia. I hated her to the core, couldn't hear her voice, not to mention her songs. But then she had this song called "Sick and Tired", and as much as i hated her, i fell in love with that song. That surprised me and i liked that feeling a lot. That i could fall in love with a song by an artist i totaly disliked. And who knows, maybe one day a Mariah song will make you feel the same. What's important is to listen with open ears and never give up upon giving a chance to anyone. Love, Nuri Catherine McKay wrote: Sorry, Nuri, and I've sometimes vowed never to diss other artists, but I absolutely, loathe, detest, nay abhor, Mariah Carey. Ick. Yuck. Ptooey! Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:06:00 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: RE: Slouching Towards Bethlehem On no Catherine! I just felt bad that I don't know about such a wonderful poet!!! Shameful!!!! Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay > > >--- Patti Parlette wrote: > > > > > > > > >My apologies Catherine! As you can see, I am not > > studied in Yeats at all! > > > > > >Sherelle > > > > > > > > > > But now you "are" -- because you know life is for > > learning on the JMDL! ; ) > >Parlette, la parleuse, beat me to that. Life IS for >learning. Here's another Joni line for ya, Sherelle, >"No apologies!" No need to apologize here. If I came >across as preachy, pedantic and a wise-ass, I'd >apologize, but y'know... I'm not that learned, but I >did study some Yeats in first year university. I'm >surprised I remember anything from back then. I >certainly don't remember what happened yesterday, for >example! > > > It's your vehicle, baby, it'll take you anywhere > > you want to go! > > > >That song had a great horn riff in it and I'll take it >over "Cherish" any day! > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 18:47:38 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! Sherelle >From: "Michael Flaherty" >To: "Sherelle Smith" ,loveuconn@hotmail.com, >joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Slouching Towards Bethlehem >Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:30:08 -0600 > >On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 14:13:47 +0000 > "Sherelle Smith" wrote: >>Interesting, oui. >> >>This makes perfect sense that an author would use Joni's lyrics to expound >>on a thought. > >Actually, Didion's title has nothing to do with Joni--her book came out >before Joni's song did. They were both inspired by W. B. Yeats: > >The Second Coming -- W. B. Yeats > >Turning and turning in the widening gyre >The falcon cannot hear the falconer; >Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; >Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, >The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere >The ceremony of innocence is drowned; >The best lack all convictions, while the worst >Are full of passionate intensity. > >Surely some revelation is at hand; >Surely the Second Coming is at hand. >The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out >When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi >Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert >A shape with lion body and the head of a man, >A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun, >Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it >Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds. >The darkness drops again; but now I know >That twenty centuries of stony sleep >Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle, >And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, >Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? > >Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:06:46 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: apologies Em wrote: I feel terrible - I posted this before reading Marianne's post about her father. sorry to be a sleaze at such a sad time. My apologies. Em - ----- You *should* feel terrible, you selfish inconsiderate bitch I know how you feel, Em. I wrote that silly breeandmariannaville thing before I heard the news myself. We just didn't know at the time. That happens. See, the Em particles of change and the Patti particles of change must have been orbiting around the sun just behind the Bree particles of change and the Marianne particles of change, at least in digest time. They know that. I don't think we really need to apologize. But if we DO need to slouch in with an apology, I think we should direct all apologies today to Catherine and Sherelle. They got it goin' ON ! (LOL....sorry, ladies!) (Oops! I said "sorry". Sorry!) Love, Patti P. > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! > > > > Sherelle > > > >Quit yer damn apologizing! Ha ha - now you'll have to >apologize for apologizing. You can't win, can you? >;-) > > >Catherine >Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 22:03:51 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: apologies Yes we do Patti-Patti!!!! Sherelle > >But if we DO need to slouch in with an apology, I think we should direct >all apologies today to Catherine and Sherelle. They got it goin' ON ! >(LOL....sorry, ladies!) (Oops! I said "sorry". Sorry!) > >Love, > >Patti P. > >> >> >>--- Sherelle Smith wrote: >> >> > Yes, I was just told that. My apologies! >> > >> > Sherelle >> > >> >>Quit yer damn apologizing! Ha ha - now you'll have to >>apologize for apologizing. You can't win, can you? >>;-) >> >> >>Catherine >>Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:21:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Mar 17 - May 22 at Mendel: "The Amazing Childhood of Joni Mitchell" Les has all the details at www.jonimitchell.com Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:14:06 -0600 From: "mia _" Subject: re: Latest news from JoniMitchell.com Les, this is great news! Per chance, will those of us who cannot make the trip be able to see some of these photos, drawings, writings, and other memorabilia on the website? <> I remember reading an article where Joni said as a child, she always wanted a bowling alley in her basement. I never realized her wish actually came true. (spoiled brat, lol!) <> It still amazes me that teachers used to teach like this back in the day. HOW on EARTH did they DO it??!! Mia ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #79 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)