From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #73 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, March 11 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 073 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Dream [Nuriel Tobias ] Ian Shaw's album cover [Bob Muller ] re iTunes ["mike pritchard" ] upcoming shows [Dave Blackburn ] Long Time [Peep Richman ] Re: Long Time [Em ] IMPORTANT [Peep Richman ] Re: Re:The Human Jukebox ["ron" ] Re: River and Joni the man [Snapple1984@aol.com] Re: River and Joni the man [Randy Remote ] Re: River and Joni the man ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Train/"River" [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Re:The Human Jukebox [PassScribe@aol.com] 4 the library ["P. Henry Boland" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 00:10:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Joni Dream Smurf wrote: Bob Dylan did say she was a man. - --Smurf Would you like to say anything about Joni's cup size, Smurfy?:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 03:15:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ian Shaw's album cover Nuri, This response came from Ian's manager regarding the photo: "This was photographed at Robin Hood Bay in Yorkshire - this is up on the north east coast (North Sea) - on a very cold day in February. It actually snowed later! Ian chose this - he told me that this is what he always associates with Joni - so, yes, to answer the question in your previous email, it was very intentional." Bob NP: The Monkees, "The Door Into Summer" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 13:37:14 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: re iTunes >>Now playing someone called Houria Aichi seemingly singing in Japanese, or some oriental language at least, but the tracklist has a French title 'Vie Nouvelle', maybe it's from Vietnam or Cambodia, or some former French colony in Indochine.<< Mr Google tells me Ms Aichi is in fact from Algeria, so forget anything about 'oriental' language, although east/west etc is all relative, no? mike in bcn NP Ani di Franco - Circle of light (thanx to Muller) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 07:04:42 -0800 From: Dave Blackburn Subject: upcoming shows Well I guess pdfs don't make it to the jmdl digest. But Les was kind enough to put a link to our concert info on the front page of Joni Mitchell.com. So please check it out... thanks Dave Blackburn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:16:22 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Long Time Hi Everyone, It's been a long time since I wanted to post....now to remember all that I had wanted to reply to....and I'm still behind in Digest reading. May need a wee bit of surgery...eagerly playing "Deal or No Deal" with my doc....subsequently the long absence. Thanks to JRM for the link to hear James' "River"...I couldn't find the cover photo, though. And, scjoniguy, I so totally agree that "River" is "surely one of Joni's finest and emotionally strongest". Could be her longing for her country....childhood, adolescent memories....also to JMR, I have also felt that Joni "took on universal themes and made them personal"....then again, so many of her personal themes are universal, but it's her brilliance to make the transition through her art and then her generosity to share it with us. Older stuff I do remember....whoever wrote that he or she is "Joni Mitchell Obsessive Disorder(ed)"...LOL...LOL...NOW I know what in the world is WRONG (or is it RIGHT) with me!!!! Wanted to congratulate Jennifer on her acceptance to Lehigh University's Social Cognition Doctoral Program!!!!Did you ever hear from the University of Conn.? Same or similar program?.........Bob, your cover compilation is terrific. Got me to thinking, before I ever heard of "covers" how many I did in the past (and almost present) for some of the people I've worked with therapeutically. Maybe I can find some of the lists I wrote down in some journal....I'd like to share them with the List. If there's ever an opportunity, I'd love to help out on a Joni Sampler Project....gee, I forgot to get over to Starbuck's to get the one that was most recently mentioned...about a month ago. I feel that Joni's works are creations that far exceed a known time-zone or a known dimension. She surpasses any of the cutting-edge technology for me. I remember that the night before "The Hissing of Summer Lawns", a local Philly radio station was going to broadcast it for the very first time. I was transfixed as I sat on my apartment floor, high in the sky, listening to each note, every word. The stores couldn't open early enough for me the following morning. I adored...and still adore that album....wow, 1975....where did all the years go? I still dearly love and so often return to "Song To A Seagull", "Clouds" and "Ladies Of The Canyon"....not to mention my adoration for "Blue" and "For The Roses". Joni's very early work may have had a stronger emotional impact on me.....I was depending on Joni (as I still often do) to pull me through the darkness's of my personal trials. "Court And Spark" was a delight...lots of fun but not the Joni I was so attached to....in the song, "The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms)", Joni created this amazingly profound piece integrating the lyrics in such a way I was just in awe...."Newsreels rattle the Nazi dread-". The only album I didn't take to with lightning speed is "Mingus" and that surprises me because of my love of jazz. Oh I'm sort of remembering some other things I wanted to post so long (seemingly) ago. I really related to what Catherine wrote..."the close juxtaposition of the /ch/ and /sh/sounds"...felt exactly the same way. I also remember thinking that I didn't understand when someone was writing or referring to someone who had written about the "tendency around here for people to look down on those who didn't like Joni's later stuff".....have I missed something? I don't get this feeling at all. Oh....this is important...I just remembered who...Mark (Scott)...you wrote that your mother wasn't doing well and that your father had died in 2004...November?...I', sorry for the loss of your dad...my father died in 1981. How is your mom doing? Can't recall any of the other things I had wanted to post but just a quick note on a new CD from Gloria Estefan..."Unwrapped"...don't know if there are any of her fans of the Digest List, but I'm enjoying this CD. Remember the resource: yourmusic.com All CD's for $6.95! Hope this finds everyone well....hope life is treating all gently. Joni will help if it isn't...at least she always has for me. Sending love, Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 10:51:53 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Long Time Hi Bo, sure hope the surgery doesn't have to happen. I actually like Gloria for some reason! lol!!!! not sure why. hope things go well for you. :) Em - --- Peep Richman wrote: > Can't recall any of the other things I had wanted to post but just > a quick note on a new CD from Gloria Estefan..."Unwrapped"...don't > know if there are any of her fans of the Digest List, but I'm > enjoying this CD. Remember the resource: yourmusic.com All CD's for > $6.95! > Hope this finds everyone well....hope life is treating all gently. > Joni will help if it isn't...at least she always has for me. > Sending love, Bo > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 11:14:10 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: IMPORTANT Hi everyone, I just discovered that I posted an incorrect site for ordering CD's for $6.95 (any CD). There are two sites...the WRONG one is mymusic.com. The correct one is yourmusic.com. Sorry about that... Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 22:47:08 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Re:The Human Jukebox hi >>>>>kenny b wrote >>>> I was surprised no one mentioned the human jukebox that used to appear on the streets of San Francisco, down by the waterfront area. I last saw him in 1990, I think; there was a guy in a homemade box, resembling an old telephone booth. It was brightly colored and had a list of songs on the front. There was an opening, as I remember, and if you put some money in there, a sliding door opened up near eye-level, and a guy inside would proceed to play a song on a trumpet for you. that was real?!?!? i always thought it was just one of those made up, gag type picture doing the rounds.... ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 16:12:02 EST From: Snapple1984@aol.com Subject: Re: River and Joni the man First of all, what was the context in which Bob Dylan called Joni a man? Something along the lines of "she writes like a man" I'm assuming. Grrrr, what a frustrating gender cage to be trapped in. People frequently tell me that I write like a man, which I take initially as a compliment, and then hate myself for finding it complimentary. I must be missing something because River has always actually been my least favorite song on Blue. I believe the reason for this is that it's rather exemplary of the stereotpyical Joni Mitchell fan cliche that served as the reason I avoided giving Joni a try for so long. (Of course, back then I had no idea Joni was indeed a black man :) That is, the girl with a guitar whining in a coffeeshop about lost love and basically, I think it was always the line "I'm so hard to handle, I'm selfish and I'm sad" that always turned me off. It just seemed so self-indulgent to me. Then again, I may just be in denial because perhaps it hit too close to home for my stoic ideals to be comfortable with. I'm not really selfish in relationships, but I'm certainly sad, and it's true that that's hard for anyone to deal with. It is certainly a beautiful song however, unquestionably. You mentioned James Taylor sings "river so wide" - it's funny because every time I hear that song I have to remind myself that it's SKATE away on. And I do love that image, I must admit, because I always want to say SAIL away on. I had never seen a frozen river until I went to college and the Providence river would freeze up in thin spots. But the Columbia and Willamette are so wide and the weather in Portland is so moderate. In no bad way whatsoever, "Skate away on" always reminds me of Judy Garland dressed as a hobo singing "We would skate up the avenute but there isn't any ice" :) I got a dulcimer for my birthday! It's beautiful Cherry wood, eggplant shaped rather than tear-dropped. I was playing it all last night. I can do rather simple versions of "Pack Up Your Sorrows" and "Bold Marauder" from the Farinas. However, I already broke the bass string. I was following this book and it said to tune the base string to C. Well, it showed a picture of middle C, so I assumed the meant middle C. Now I'm thinking it must have been the C below that. And a question for all you dulcimer players out there - according to this book, the frets should be based in Ionian mode so that if you have it in major tuning, you can start at fret three and just play each fret like do-re-mi-fa-so-la-ti-do. Well, My dulcimer looks different from the one in the book in that is seems to have an extra half step at F# or between fa and so. Is this normal - just a variation? Any thoughts? I'm COMPLETELY ignorant. thanks! - - Kira NP: first, Bob Dylan and Joan Baez - Mama You Been On My Mind now: Karla Bonoff, New World - thanks Brian!! :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 14:01:08 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: River and Joni the man - ----- Original Message ----- From: > First of all, what was the context in which Bob Dylan called Joni a man? > Something along the lines of "she writes like a man" I'm assuming. > Grrrr, > what a frustrating gender cage to be trapped in An interviewer was asking Dylan about who were the great female songwriters, and he couldn't think of any. The interviewer said "what about Joni Mitchell?" and he said, "yeah, but Joni's more like one of the guys" He didn't call her a man or say she writes like a man, to my recollection, although I don't know exactly what he meant. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 17:40:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: River and Joni the man And Joni herself would have taken this as a compliment. She has often said this in interviews, that she always felt more comfortable with men, in general, than with women. And she bristles as being called a female singer songwriter. Jerry Randy Remote wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > >> First of all, what was the context in which Bob Dylan called Joni a >> man? >> Something along the lines of "she writes like a man" I'm assuming. >> Grrrr, >> what a frustrating gender cage to be trapped in > > An interviewer was asking Dylan about who were the great female > songwriters, > and he couldn't think of any. The interviewer said "what about Joni > Mitchell?" and he said, "yeah, but Joni's more like one of the guys" > He didn't call her a man or say she writes like a man, to my recollection, > although I don't know exactly what he meant. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 19:55:05 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Train/"River" Was just watching "Ellen" on TV. The band, Train, is the musical guest. They have a current chart-topper with "Only Cab on the Road," a song about isolation. The lead singer is wearing a shirt with a stylized image of Joni on it. Think of "River." Go figure... - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2006 20:36:04 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Re:The Human Jukebox No, that human jukebox guy was definitely real; I first saw him in 1983 when I first visited San Francisco and then, in 1990, again, but in a different spot. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 01:13:34 -0500 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: 4 the library old news but I didn't see this one in there. http://hollandsentinel.com/stories/033103/ent_033103065.shtml - -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #73 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)