From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #56 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 22 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 056 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Dreamland [Mark-Leon Thorne ] No NYRO? on your lists [jserkes@aol.com] Re: Morgen Morningtown [Patti Witten ] Snowblind [Nuriel Tobias ] RE: Dreamland [ric.pompeyfan@tiscali.co.uk] Re: Snowblind [Catherine McKay ] RE: Dreamland [Catherine McKay ] Re: Dreamland [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Dreamland ["Box of Paints" ] Re: Dreamland [Em ] Re: Dreamland [Catherine McKay ] Coversproject website [Garret ] Re: Dreamland [Em ] Re: Coversproject website [Bob Muller ] Joni Litho on eBay ["Cassy" ] Re: Joni Litho on eBay [Randy Remote ] Just caught up [Peep Richman ] Re: Joni Litho on eBay ["Cassy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:34:50 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Dreamland Hi gang! I was just thinking of the words to Dreamland. Joni sings, "...I wrap that flag around me like a Dorothy Lamour sarong". Does anyone know which flag she is referring to? Is there a deeper political meaning in Dreamland that I'm missing? Mark in Sydney NP No Promises - Icehouse. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:02:00 -0500 From: jserkes@aol.com Subject: No NYRO? on your lists Hey comeon! Nyrogrl peeps here, so get that Nyro out of the closet and give it a listen. Some news for you all. Documentary on Nyro in the works, and also Bette Midler is thinking of doing a cover CD of her work. That would be fun. Midler could pull the very early works off well, and awaken some new fans I hope. Nyrogrl here..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:42:58 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: Morgen Morningtown Bobsart: > Today, 35 years later, connection between the words finally dawned on me. Slow growth is good growth. Good catch! Me, I never saw it at all. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:06:26 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Snowblind What's it like to be snowblind? Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:43:59 +0000 From: ric.pompeyfan@tiscali.co.uk Subject: RE: Dreamland Walter Raleigh and Chris Columbus Come marching out of the waves And claim the beach and all concessions In the name of the suntan slave I wrapped that flag around me Like a Dorothy Lamour sarong And I lay down thinking national With dreamland coming on My guess is that the flag in question is that which was used to claim lands for the crown, symbolic of the theft of land which is too easily forgotten centuries later when the same beach is used for holiday-making. Or something like that! Ric >-- Original Message -- >From: Mark-Leon Thorne >Subject: Dreamland >Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:34:50 +1100 >To: joni@smoe.org >Reply-To: Mark-Leon Thorne > > >Hi gang! I was just thinking of the words to Dreamland. Joni sings, >"...I wrap that flag around me like a Dorothy Lamour sarong". Does >anyone know which flag she is referring to? Is there a deeper political >meaning in Dreamland that I'm missing? > >Mark in Sydney > >NP No Promises - Icehouse. ___________________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband from 14.99 with free setup! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:56:16 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Snowblind - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > What's it like to be snowblind? > > Love, > > Nuri > Literally or figuratively? Literally, if you're walking in a snowstorm and all around you is white, you cannot tell where you're going, what is up and what is down. Forget about driving in it. You don't ever want to be driving on a highway in the midst of white-out conditions. There is nothing I can think of that's scarier. If you're talking about the figurative use, of cocaine in Edith and the KP, I wouldn't know, but I'm guessing that the use of drugs makes Edith blind to the KP's faults, which are many. Love is the drug and the drug is love. When you're looking for a drug high, all crime belongs, I guess. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Dreamland - --- ric.pompeyfan@tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Walter Raleigh and Chris Columbus > Come marching out of the waves > And claim the beach and all concessions > In the name of the suntan slave > I wrapped that flag around me > Like a Dorothy Lamour sarong > And I lay down thinking national > With dreamland coming on > > My guess is that the flag in question is that which > was used to claim lands > for the crown, symbolic of the theft of land which > is too easily forgotten > centuries later when the same beach is used for > holiday-making. Or something > like that! > > Ric > Ric, I think you're right. It's the flag of the holiday-maker staking her claim as if she owned the place. For two weeks, this place is MINE! Never mind the natives who have been here for generations... I've always imagined it as a Canadian flag though and picture Joni draped in it. But hey, that's just me. :-) Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 05:30:56 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Dreamland Yes Catherine. I always imagined that Joni was dreaming of a Pacific island or something and is wrapping the Canadian flag around her and pretending it is a sarong. Ric's analysis is very interesting. Of course, the beaches are where invading conquerers arrived. I didn't think about that first part of the verse. The invaders taking away the decision making from the indigenous people. When people "lay down thinking national" they compound the creation of those invaders and disregard the culture of the original inhabitants. Australia Day is the national holiday in this country which celebrates the arrival of Europeans here. It is now referred to by many people as "Invasion Day" to keep a perspective on it and respect the feelings of aboriginal people. Mark. NP Stars - Janis Ian. On 22/02/2006, at 4:02 AM, Catherine McKay wrote: > > Ric, I think you're right. It's the flag of the > holiday-maker staking her claim as if she owned the > place. For two weeks, this place is MINE! Never mind > the natives who have been here for generations... > > I've always imagined it as a Canadian flag though and > picture Joni draped in it. But hey, that's just me. > > :-) > > > Catherine > Toronto > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:55:58 +0000 From: "Box of Paints" Subject: Re: Dreamland All very interesting... I love this song... it has come up before in previous threads (anyone remember 'black babies covered in baking flour?') anyway, I'm more in agreement with ric the pompeyfan (no one's perfect....;-) It does feel like one of Joni's little thorns that she puts in a song, just to make you feel suddenly back on Earth and back into reality, that this may be a good time for her, dancing and swaying on a Caribbean island but in reality, this is where The Americas started (I always wonder what it would be like if Amerigo Vespucci had never claimed he found America...Everyone north of Mexico would all be speaking, what... Columbian English?) I wrapped that flag... which flag, Walter Raleigh's? Canada's? It's full of irreverence which is great, juxtaposing a turningpoint in history (ok so SWR didn't discover America but he certainly plundered it of all it's natural sources, encouraged slavery, introduced tobacco to Europe, used colonialism to enrich one nation while robbing others...) with Dorothy Lamour... INteresting Ms Mitchell... most interesting.... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 21/02/06, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Yes Catherine. I always imagined that Joni was dreaming of a Pacific > island or something and is wrapping the Canadian flag around her and > pretending it is a sarong. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:53:30 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Dreamland hmm..not sure why I always thought of this as an African song... maybe I ID it with Dylan's "mozambique" somehow. Love it more tho... Em - --- Box of Paints wrote: > All very interesting... I love this song... it has come up before in > previous threads (anyone remember 'black babies covered in baking > flour?') anyway, I'm more in agreement with ric the pompeyfan (no > one's perfect....;-) > > It does feel like one of Joni's little thorns that she puts in a > song, > just to make you feel suddenly back on Earth and back into reality, > that this may be a good time for her, dancing and swaying on a > Caribbean island but in reality, this is where The Americas started > (I > always wonder what it would be like if Amerigo Vespucci had never > claimed he found America...Everyone north of Mexico would all be > speaking, what... Columbian English?) > > I wrapped that flag... which flag, Walter Raleigh's? Canada's? It's > full of irreverence which is great, juxtaposing a turningpoint in > history (ok so SWR didn't discover America but he certainly plundered > it of all it's natural sources, encouraged slavery, introduced > tobacco > to Europe, used colonialism to enrich one nation while robbing > others...) with Dorothy Lamour... > > INteresting Ms Mitchell... most interesting.... > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > > On 21/02/06, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > Yes Catherine. I always imagined that Joni was dreaming of a > Pacific > > island or something and is wrapping the Canadian flag around her > and > > pretending it is a sarong. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:38:28 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dreamland It does have an "African" feel to it. And don't forget that when Whitey came to the Americas, he brought with him his slaves - black people from Africa. I guess he kind of had to, having killed off or driven away most of the indigenous peoples. So island music is very African. I've always found the rhythm of this song most unusual for Joni. The first time I heard it, I was sure someone else must have written it - the music, in any case. I guess this was written when Joni was with Don Alias though, so the drumbeat rhythm may have been provided by him. The song is dripping with irony, sounding like a fun get-up-and-dance thing while hiding a few of those what Zoob calls "thorns" in its midst. That was common in African-American music too - e.g. spirituals talking about crossing Jordan sounded like they were about the Christian religion, and indeed they were, but there was the other aspect of talking about running away, or crossing over into freedom from slavery. Veddy interesting. What if the USA were the USC - United States of Columbia? - --- Em wrote: > hmm..not sure why I always thought of this as an > African song... > maybe I ID it with Dylan's "mozambique" somehow. > Love it more tho... > Em > > --- Box of Paints wrote: > > > All very interesting... I love this song... it has > come up before in > > previous threads (anyone remember 'black babies > covered in baking > > flour?') anyway, I'm more in agreement with ric > the pompeyfan (no > > one's perfect....;-) > > > > It does feel like one of Joni's little thorns that > she puts in a > > song, > > just to make you feel suddenly back on Earth and > back into reality, > > that this may be a good time for her, dancing and > swaying on a > > Caribbean island but in reality, this is where The > Americas started > > (I > > always wonder what it would be like if Amerigo > Vespucci had never > > claimed he found America...Everyone north of > Mexico would all be > > speaking, what... Columbian English?) > > > > I wrapped that flag... which flag, Walter > Raleigh's? Canada's? It's > > full of irreverence which is great, juxtaposing a > turningpoint in > > history (ok so SWR didn't discover America but he > certainly plundered > > it of all it's natural sources, encouraged > slavery, introduced > > tobacco > > to Europe, used colonialism to enrich one nation > while robbing > > others...) with Dorothy Lamour... > > > > INteresting Ms Mitchell... most interesting.... > > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:20:48 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Coversproject website Looks like someone is trying to steal your thunder Bob: http://www.coversproject.com/artist/joni%20mitchell Luckily yours is the loudest thunder for miles around,eh? GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:31:56 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Dreamland well its on the same album as the Tenth World, right? which is totally Afro Cuban, right? that tune grabs me by the gizzards and says "you come from this"! I love her weaving her own craziness in, in Dreamland. Damn she was good! Snow queen blended with afro cuban. Helluva drink! Long and tall, but..... SWEATY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Em - --- Catherine McKay wrote: > It does have an "African" feel to it. And don't forget > that when Whitey came to the Americas, he brought with > him his slaves - black people from Africa. I guess he > kind of had to, having killed off or driven away most > of the indigenous peoples. So island music is very > African. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:48:07 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Coversproject website I'm not too worried...that site has been around for quite awhile. It used to be that anyone could submit data to it, and I spent an afternoon or two trying to enter everything I knew (to give Joni her credit for having so many covers), then the database got so corrupted by people submitting crap they just wiped it out and started over. Allmusic.com has a pretty good list too, but you have to register to get to it, still, it's a nice resource and has been helpful to me. And I have to say that since Undercover has become a part of JoniMitchell.com, I've gotten a lot more response, and several artists have even stepped up and offered to send me their covers, which totally rocks; I spend enough as it is. And sometime in the next week or so we're going over the 2,000 mark. I say WE because I am grateful to so many folks who have helped along the way, the thunder belongs to us all! Bob NP: Renee Fleming, "River" (Mmmmmm, sweet!) Garret wrote: Looks like someone is trying to steal your thunder Bob: http://www.coversproject.com/artist/joni%20mitchell Luckily yours is the loudest thunder for miles around,eh? GARRET - --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:38:18 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Joni Litho on eBay Here is an interesting auction on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:112&item=6606306066&id=&sasel= This auction states: Joni Mitchell Lithograph original art from record This is a Joni Mitchell lithograph from a friend of hers that was envolved in producing her album I've only heard of Joni's art being offered once before, about 15 years ago. This is a litho on very heavy stock paper, not a poster. IT is guaranteed to be original. I doubt you'll find any other of her art available anywhere. In case anyone might be interested. Warmly, Cassy /\/\ / / \ ~**+ / / I .* * ../ / . * : / * * . . * . * \ * * \ \ \ \ \ / \ / * * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:13:06 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Litho on eBay It sold for $56. This was the Donald & Joni tongue kissing one. It was unsigned, I think these were among those for sale at the BSN concerts. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cassy" > Here is an interesting auction on eBay: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:112&item=6606306066&id=&sasel= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:05:58 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Just caught up Hi everyone, I just caught up on the past few days of postings... I can't imagine Britney Spears lasting as long as she has...AND making the cover of People annoys me to no end considering the VERY IMPORTANT issues we're dealing with (or the government is NOT dealing with) these dark days. But, no offense to anyone, Britney is on the cover of "People"...not remotely in the same league as most of the magazines I love ( "The Sun", Utne Reader", The New Yorker" and the New York Times Sunday Magazine). Britney reflects the Hollywood machine....how to turn someone with very limited talent...if any...into a "star"....Remember her first single? "Baby, Baby"...I think that was the title. I don't remember how the discussions on the Digest turned to Britney Spears, but I do recall thinking about the magic of the Hollywood star making machine. The credit I'd give Britney is the extremely hard work it took to get her in the pre-baby shape she tossed all over various stages. Tonight I'm thinking...praying...frustrated with...in horror of...the daily news and the "security" of our ports managed by a middle eastern country. My reaction was a huge "WHAT????????????" My heart is aching and my temper is flaring about the victims of Katrina...being tossed out on the street...the audacity of the 'machine' of a government that spends billions to kill and trickles down an inadequate amount, with no cogent system whatsoever, for Americans who are now living in our own third world country. I'm thinking and wondering how and what Joni is thinking about these same issues. I remember when "Sex Kills" was released and feeling how incredible Joni really is....to be so...can't think of the best adjective....that describes a social issue that is so important. Joni is a visionary....a profit in her own time for some of us. I read and re-read her lyrics, usually discovering hidden meaning from the previous readings. Then listening to her lyrics...her expression that is so complete...increases my joy of living in the same century...same exact time as Joni...not learning about her hundreds of years from now. All these thoughts with such a magnificent Digest group of human beings to share with....we're all blessed and Joni united us. Love from Bo WAIT....Lori...the paragraph you wrote a few days ago....it was so pure...so true...and deserves a heartfelt thank you. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 01:24:33 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Joni Litho on eBay I thought that might be the case. I actually got signed copies of the front and back self-portraits from that series. Personally, I didn't much care for the "kissing" litho. It's interesting how some of the prints are after-marketed. Thanks for the confirmation. Warmly, Cassy From: Randy Remote This was the Donald & Joni tongue kissing one. It was unsigned, I think these were among those for sale at the BSN concerts. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #56 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)