From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #51 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, February 17 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 051 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Winter Lady [] Re: George Michaels' Edith [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 [Nuriel Tob] Re: Neither a false alarm nor a dream (Suzanne Vega Covering Amelia...) [Parts of Yes ] Re: What to cover? [Jerry Notaro ] Joni reference on David Letterman ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: Joni reference on David Letterman [Catherine McKay ] Stevie on Joni ["Les Irvin" ] Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 ["mack wats] Stevie on Joni ["Les Irvin" ] re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar.8 ["c Karma" ] Re: George Michaels' Edith [Bob Muller ] Re: What to cover? [Bob Muller ] Re: What to cover? [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: What to cover? [Bob Muller ] Re: What to cover? [Randy Remote ] What to cover? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 ["Kate Benn] Stevie on Joni ["Kate Bennett" ] Belated Thanks (SJC) ["Kay Ashley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:12:29 -0800 From: Subject: Winter Lady Lady Isadora asked: > how else might this song have become known sans Joni album appearance so > that it ended up being performed in the late '60s way out here in Dee > Moine, Ioway? Winter Lady, along with a number of other unreleased songs, is in Joni's first songbook which I recall was published in around 1969 (too lazy to go find mine and check right now). I learned the song from that book way back but always wondered if I was getting it right - not being able to hear Joni or anyone else singing it. When I first joined this list some kind traders sent me her early recordings and it was as I had interpreted it! I'm still waiting to hear a recording of Strawflower Me - that one I never could quite get. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: George Michaels' Edith Lindsay Moon wrote: I had another appreciation of her this morning when a song came on called "You're Beautiful." I don't remember who the artist is. He had a perfectly pleasing voice but the lyrics! So stupid! The singer is called James Blunt. Before turning into a songwriter he was a soldier in Bosnia. Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 02:26:08 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 Kate Bennett wrote: >One thing is sure, Britney Spears has succeeded in being a superstar of the pop of today and for that I give her credit. Surely wasn't easy and whether or not I, or you, find her music salvageable, lasting, or worthy, the girl made it.< Well I disagree that she made it... Maybe made a lot of $$ for her company & her self but made it in the sense of respect? Britney succeeded as a very young human being, nearly a child. Madonna was also writing and singing silly pop songs, but once she got older, she started writing personal songs, and her music turned out to be very interesting. Maybe it's old father time that got her, and maybe one day Britney would do the same. Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:14:16 -0800 (PST) From: Parts of Yes Subject: Re: Neither a false alarm nor a dream (Suzanne Vega Covering Amelia...) Greetings, It's been some time since I posted (though I have been reading posts albeit not frequently) a message. Internship, school and the like have been keeping me pretty busy lately. In any event, I heard (with delight) that Suzanne Vega covered "Amelia" at a recent JM tribute. It sounds like the perfect cover and I may be wrong, but I think I once was "dreaming" of possible Joni covers and the SV/Amelia pairing came to mind! Now that it's a reality, I hope to actually hear it someday. It would be cool if that tribute concert would be made into an album entitled, "Dreams and False Alarms." My apologies if someone has already posted on this subject. Any thoughts about this cover and the relationshp between JM and SV more generally? Sean - --- onlyJMDL Digest wrote: > onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 16 2006 > Volume 2006 : Number 050 > > > > ========== > > TOPICS and authors in this Digest: > -------- > Re: That slow Joni Cover... [Jerry > Notaro ] > BBC Radio Interviews - Judy Collins and Richie > Havens ["JohnMc" Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #47 > [Garret ] > Re: That slow Joni Cover... > [PassScribe@aol.com] > This JUST in!!! [Michael Paz > ] > George Michaels' Edith ["Lindsay > Moon" ] > Re: JMDL Digest V2006 #60 [Lady Isadora > Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime > Mar. 8 ["Kate Bennett"] > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:20:21 -0500 > From: Jerry Notaro > Subject: Re: That slow Joni Cover... > > > Hi, Bob, > > My neighbor's son gave me a CD he burned and > on it is written, "Iron & > > Wine" and "Bloc Party". I figured it was Iron & > Wine's album called Bloc > > Party. > > The number 8 track is this slow version of "Both > Sides Now" and it seems to > > fit with the previous 7 tracks which are all kind > of "easy listening" stuff. I > > tried calling the guy to ask about it and there's > no answer so I went online > > and Googled the names (as you probably did). I > found no real connection but > > learned that Iron & Wine and Bloc Party are two > different groups. > > Upon replaying the CD, I realize now that > it's Joni's own version of > > "Both Sides Now" from her 2000 "Love Story" > release (you know, "At Last", > > "Comes > > Love", etc.) that I haven't listened to since, > well... 2001? > > I'm sooooo embarassed! > > And I thought I finally found a cover you > didn't know of. > > While searching online, however, I did find a > few odd things: > > there's a version of "Both Sides Now" by > someone called Blossom Dearie. > > Wally is a big fan of Blossom Dearie, as am I. I've > often posted about > Danny's in Manhattan, where David Lahm and his wife > Judy Kreston perform. > Blossom has played there quite often over the years > and she is now in her > 80's. > > Jerry > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:40:59 -0000 > From: "JohnMc" > Subject: BBC Radio Interviews - Judy Collins and > Richie Havens > > This may be of interest to some. There are a couple > of short interviews > available online on BBC Radio London, each 10 - 15 > minutes length. > The first is with Richie Havens who talks amongst > other things about his > Greenwich Village days and performs a live version > of All Along the > Watchtower. > The second is with Judy Collins who briefly talks > about Joni and how she > came to record Both Sides Now. > The Richie interview begins at about 35 minute into > the programme and I > think Judy is around the half hour mark. > Go to > http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/tv_and_radio/radio/ > and on the right hand side, under radio shows listen > again, select the Danny > Baker show on Monday for Richie and Tuesday for > Judy. You can skip the show > 5 minutes at a time. > Danny Baker is a one off - he intended getting Judy > to do a version of Wild > Thing but I think they ran out of time. > I saw Richie Havens last night and he was in > fantastic form - a great > concert. > Cheers > John > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:05:20 +0000 > From: Garret > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #47 > > Hiya Jahida, > glad to hear you're still out there:-) Looking > forward to your report and > pictures. > GARRET > > > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 12:42:23 -0800 (PST) > From: Jahida Jorganes > Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #47 > > Hello everyone!! I promise I will write my review > and post my pictures of the > show as soon as I have a moment to breathe. I have > been rehearsing and > performing for the past 2 weeks nonstop!! I am so > exhausted and can't wait > until the end of this week because next week is a > well-deserved break for me. > > Peace, Love,and Joni, > Jahida > > P.S. Who would've thought that my hometown of > Guttenberg, New Jersey would > get more snow than where I now live in Vermont? > It's truly comical. > > > - > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet > Messaging Program. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:08:14 EST > From: PassScribe@aol.com > Subject: Re: That slow Joni Cover... > > In a message dated 2/15/06 8:22:45 AM, > notaro@stpt.usf.edu writes: > > > > Wally is a big fan of Blossom Dearie, as am I. > I've often posted about > > Danny's in Manhattan, where David Lahm and his > wife Judy Kreston perform. > > Blossom has played there quite often over the > years and she is now in her > > 80's. > > > > Jerry > > > > Wow! You learn something new every day! > > Kenny B > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:34:50 -0600 > From: Michael Paz > Subject: This JUST in!!! > > Hi Folks > Just back from Folk Alliance and I am brain dead and > overwhelmed. I am here > to tell you there are other people out there that > can out do Victor or me or > any other late nighter from Joni Fests gone by. Man > those people can hang! > Anyways I will write you a little report later but > right now everybody check > out the Jazz Fest line up at > http://www.nojazzfest.com/schedule/index04.html > And make your plans to come and see me In late April > or early May. > > > > Love > > Paz > === message truncated === "Going to the church You chant For my downfall Chanting for my house My friends You want it all The pillows on my bed The visions in my head You want too much You want too badly You want everything for nothing" -Joni Mitchell, "The Windfall (Everything for Nothing)" "What's someone like me doing in a life like this?" - Cyndi Lauper, "Someone Like Me" "It took an hour, maybe a day But once I really listened, the noise Just went away" - Liz Phair, "Stratford-On-Guy" (1993) "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here..." - - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" (1997) "All I know of you is in my memory All I ask is you Remember me." - Suzanne Vega "Rosemary" (1998) Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 07:55:08 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: What to cover? Here I go into the studio again. Despite my financial reservations, this is what I do so I must do it! Anyway, I want to do add Joni cover to the originals. For years Hejira has been a favorite, so I thought I might attempt it. But last night I thought about for the roses. I played that song over and over when the album and songbook came out (thank god for those books with the fingering diagrams and alt-tunings, they changed my life) and playing it is as much muscle memory as anything else, like riding a bicycle. It's a beautiful solo acoustic guitar piece in addition to being a beautifully written song (no surprise there). It was immensely important to me as a budding guitarist and singer. And I think it would fit in well with the planned "acoustic" nature of this recording and the back-to-my-folk-roots production. My 1st question: is this an over- or under-covered cover? I am too ambitious? For those who know my CD, is in in character? My 2nd question: who is this song about? My 3rd question: Any other song suggestions? Thanks so much for your thoughts, oh wise and powerful Joniphiles. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:26:55 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: What to cover? Great choice, Patti. FTR is rarely covered. I'm sure you will do a better job covering it than she did on Travelogue :) Jerry > Here I go into the studio again. Despite my financial reservations, this is > what I do so I must do it! Anyway, I want to do add Joni cover to the > originals. For years Hejira has been a favorite, so I thought I might > attempt it. > > But last night I thought about for the roses. I played that song over and > over when the album and songbook came out (thank god for those books with > the fingering diagrams and alt-tunings, they changed my life) and playing it > is as much muscle memory as anything else, like riding a bicycle. It's a > beautiful solo acoustic guitar piece in addition to being a beautifully > written song (no surprise there). It was immensely important to me as a > budding guitarist and singer. And I think it would fit in well with the > planned "acoustic" nature of this recording and the back-to-my-folk-roots > production. > > My 1st question: is this an over- or under-covered cover? I am too > ambitious? For those who know my CD, is in in character? > > My 2nd question: who is this song about? > > My 3rd question: Any other song suggestions? > > Thanks so much for your thoughts, oh wise and powerful Joniphiles. > > > > Patti > -- > http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:17:13 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Joni reference on David Letterman Last night, as David Letterman was doing a series of Cheney jokes, he mentioned that the guy Cheney shot had "a heart full of buckshot". He then turned to Paul and asked, "A Heart Full of Buckshot .... Isn't that an old Joni Mitchell song?" Paul responded that he was thinking of the Yardbirds (Heart Full of Soul) to which Letterman just laughed and shrugged. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:14:34 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: What to cover? - --- Patti Witten wrote: > Here I go into the studio again. Despite my > financial reservations, this is > what I do so I must do it! Anyway, I want to do add > Joni cover to the > originals. For years Hejira has been a favorite, so > I thought I might > attempt it. > > But last night I thought about for the roses. I > played that song over and > over when the album and songbook came out (thank god > for those books with > the fingering diagrams and alt-tunings, they changed > my life) and playing it > is as much muscle memory as anything else, like > riding a bicycle. It's a > beautiful solo acoustic guitar piece in addition to > being a beautifully > written song (no surprise there). It was immensely > important to me as a > budding guitarist and singer. And I think it would > fit in well with the > planned "acoustic" nature of this recording and the > back-to-my-folk-roots > production. Patti, FTR, the song and the album, are special favourites for me as well. And it was that songbook that opened my eyes and ears to alternate tunings. It was then that I realized that Joni *probably* used that sort of technique for most, if not all, of her songs and that explained to me why the chords in the other Joni books, while they may have sounded OK, never sounded quite like Joni. I didn't have the smarts to figure any more out and no one to talk to about this until eons later, when I discovered the jmdl and the chords site. At which point, I slapped myself upside the head and said something like, "D'oh!" I think (because I have your albums and have heard your voice and guitar playing) that you would do a marvellous job on that song, or Woman of Heart and Mind, or Cold Blue Steel; but also on just about anything on Hejira as well. So big help, eh? ;-) > My 1st question: is this an over- or under-covered > cover? Not in my opinion. Muller knows better here, but I can't think of any FTR covers, whatsoever. I am too > ambitious? No. You can definitely do this. For those who know my CD, is in in > character? Yes, it is. There is a melancholy and wistfullness that suits both your character (as I know it, never having met you, but judging by your singing) and voice. And your guitar-playing (that's three.) > My 2nd question: who is this song about? Don't know for sure and many have speculated that it's JT. I've always held that Joni starts with an idea that may focus on one individual or event, but that moves out to be universal, but also moves in to be about her, her take on things. But it's also about you - - you, Patti Witten, and "you", the audience (that would be us, then), and that's why it resonates with so many of us. > My 3rd question: Any other song suggestions? See above. I could think of more though - maybe something from Song to a seagull - the title piece, or The Dawntreader. Or, from Clouds, That song about the midway (maybe covered too much? but then again, not really), or Tin Angel (or maybe that's too ingenuish - is that a word?) Oh, how about Slouching towards Bethlehem? Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:32:26 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni reference on David Letterman - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > Last night, as David Letterman was doing a series of > > Cheney jokes, he mentioned that the guy Cheney shot > had "a > heart full of buckshot". He then turned to Paul and > > asked, "A Heart Full of Buckshot .... Isn't that an > old > Joni Mitchell song?" > Look at how much mileage Letterman has gotten out of the line, "Isn't that a Joni Mitchell song?" I hope she gets royalties every time he uses it. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:47:47 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 Nuri wrote: Britney succeeded as a very young human being, nearly a child. Madonna was also writing and singing silly pop songs, but once she got older, she started writing personal songs, and her music turned out to be very interesting. Maybe it's old father time that got her, and maybe one day Britney would do the same. - --What is a silly pop song? My answer to that would be something along the lines of 'my sharona' or 'the night chicago died.' Would almost wager that there are those here that like those tunes. I found some of Madonna's early tunes very good. 'Borderline', 'Crazy for you', 'Into the Groove' are three early tunes that I rank as some of the best music done. Is a tune that tells of ones breaking heart less worthy than one that involves self exploration? Is one that, without adornment or attempted tunneling into the complex personal layers of thought, perfectly explains that feeling, uncontrollable and animalistic, we have all had for someone else not a masterpiece in itself? - --Now there is a question I don't have to ponder? Respect for Madonna? You bet your Texas bullshit values meter. It's okay for one with white skin to touch, love, and have sex (OH MY GOODNESS) with one with black skin. It's okay for pregnant teenage girls to keep those babies. It's okay for homosexuals to live? (It's nothing less than a marvel that I survived thousands of those sermons by preachers 'preaching love like hate).' (Nothing like sitting in the front row at a youth rally and having the person up there shouting out about the damnation that those who participated in such abominations would endure in the fiery pits of hell. The skin would flush and one would know that every one there knew that he was the one, me in those instances.) No, she didn't say any of those things first but she put it out there, for all to see and hear. 'Cause we think its getting better but nobodys really sure.'-jj - --Music doesn't always have to be (purported) profound to be special. At times would take a beautiful melody over deep thought and straightforward emotional outpouring over introspection. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:09:47 -0500 From: lmontelione@netscape.net Subject: Joni Painting in Elizabethtown Hi all! Watched a good movie on DVD last night called Elizabethtown with Orlando Bloom and Kirsten Dunst. Very cute -- about love in its various forms. In the opening scene, Orlando's character is heading into his boss' office to get fired from his job heading a billion dollar campaign to launch a sneaker. He's passing through a gallery of incredible paintings and one of the last ones he passes is Joni's "Hyde Park." Do you recall it? It's the one of the man's hand on the knee of a woman's leg. Susan Sarandon was also in the movie. I wonder if she had anything to do with the placement? Isn't she an FOJ (friend of Joni)? It reminded me of the wonderful Joni Art Screensaver that used to be in the Shiny Toys section of the old JMDL.com. Whatever happened to it? ___________________________________________________ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:46:25 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 Good points here..Mack...I think of such timeless classics as...As Time Goes By...Stardust...Our Love Is Here To Stay...Over The Rainbow....Someone To Watch Over Me. (I could go on) All these songs are so sublime on one hand but yet simple....and very staightforward.... "a kiss is just a kiss...a sigh is just a sigh.." Bree NP: Baby Jane Decker..(who I thought was a man.)..Be Cool... >--Music doesn't always have to be (purported) profound to be special. At >times would take a beautiful melody over deep thought and straightforward >emotional outpouring over introspection. > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:49:51 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Re: George Michaels' Edith Ye, James Blunt, before he was a soldier in Bosnia, he trained to be an officer in Sandhurst and comes from Harrow... I don't believe any of his songwriting credentials... Coming from a very privileged family (I know that doesn't mean you can't be talented but the proof is in the pudding) he wrote *that song* by a pool in LA, hardly the hard-up, struggling artist that I expect to churn out pap like that... Yes his marketing people have certainly played a very card. They refused to let him do any interviews on tv and radio for months because he sounds so upper-class that it would count against his credibility.... James Blunt.... the only good thing about him is that he's a self-made Cockney Rhyming Slang... Jamie Zoob on the anti-blunt warpath... On 16/02/06, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > Lindsay Moon wrote: > I had another appreciation of her this morning when a song came on called > "You're Beautiful." I don't remember who the artist is. He had a perfectly > pleasing voice but the lyrics! So stupid! > > > The singer is called James Blunt. Before turning into a songwriter he was a soldier in Bosnia. > > Love, > > Nuri > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:06:11 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Stevie on Joni Joni mention in new article about Stevie Nicks: "I said, 'If it wasn't for you, I would not be standing here'," Stevie Nicks intones in a half-whisper. "You, in my opinion, are the greatest singer-songwriter ever.'" The parable concerns the only meeting between Fleetwood Mac's sorceress chanteuse and the great Joni Mitchell. "Then I gave her a hug and I just walked away, 'cause I didn't even want her to start to say anything back. "She's a little scary, you know," Nicks concludes in a more gossipy tone, "and I think it's because she's bitter because people get angry 'cause she won't do her old songs. I'm like, 'God! What's to be bitter about? Please!'" Full article: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1404 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:09:44 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 Kate asked? > > Have you seen her strip tease pole dance act? - --No, hee hee, and being a pink teamer I don't want to. However, does that make her a bad person? Are the ladies that do that sort of thing bad people? Living where I do and growing up the way I did would lead me to believe that yes, she and they are evil. I don't. > > Well I disagree that she made it... Maybe made a lot of $$ for her company & > her self but made it in the sense of respect? - --Well, in the sense that I was writing about she most certainly made it. As I alluded to I don't know what her ambitions or goals were. To make money? More than made it. To be a star? More than made it. To have a legion of fans? More than made it. To make music that is worthwhile? I have no idea, haven't heard much. But according to Vince she made of the best tunes ever. I would count that as having made it. If she touched Vince and all those others, then she accomplished that goal. To be respected? By whom? Apples and oranges, subjective fodder, don't you think? You don't respect her, others do. I have never pondered whether or not I respect Britney Spears. As I do now I have to ask myself, what difference does it make? I don't care enough to even mull it over. Many don't like Joni Mitchell at all. I have friends that won't even allow me to play her music. They surely don't respect her if they won't even listen to her. Some can't take her voice, others think she is full of beans. That is, those that have even heard of her, which is few. Up until even a year ago I would have still been believing that 'they just don't get it.' But as I wrote yesterday, maybe I don't get it. All relative I suppose. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 12:51:12 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Stevie on Joni Joni mention in new article about Stevie Nicks: "I said, 'If it wasn't for you, I would not be standing here'," Stevie Nicks intones in a half-whisper. "You, in my opinion, are the greatest singer-songwriter ever.'" The parable concerns the only meeting between Fleetwood Mac's sorceress chanteuse and the great Joni Mitchell. "Then I gave her a hug and I just walked away, 'cause I didn't even want her to start to say anything back. "She's a little scary, you know," Nicks concludes in a more gossipy tone, "and I think it's because she's bitter because people get angry 'cause she won't do her old songs. I'm like, 'God! What's to be bitter about? Please!'" Full article: http://jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=1404 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:05:09 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar.8 March 8 pm. Joni vs. the finale of "Project Runway?" Uh oh. CC "And any eye for detail caught a little lace along the seams." -- JM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:48:32 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: What to cover? At 04:55 AM 2/16/2006, Patti Witten wrote: >But last night I thought about for the roses. >My 2nd question: who is this song about? Hi Patti, Conventional wisdom would point toward James Taylor. Not only the song "For The Roses" but many of the other tracks on that album were probably written with JT in mind. An exquisite composition. "Finely tuned like fancy women in 30s evening gowns." Almost seems like the precursor to "Shades of Scarlett Conquering..." If indeed inspired by her relationship with JT, it would seem to be about Joni recalling the times when both of them were just beginning their careers, and now his has met more commercial success while she has literally poured her heart and soul into her craft and has come up feeling empty. The end of the romance, the introspection which reveals her (valid) concerns about her own career and how it's not appreciated by the mainstream. "Some band...like so much confetti..." are playing on her TV set while she sits alone, fighting the hammers and the boards and the nails. It also marks the early stages of her (still to this day) complaints about "the music biz" where they toss around her "golden eggs" and only worry about the next one being successful too. "I heard it in the wind last night, it sounded like applause." She's in her British Columbia retreat now, looking back. I think previous threads established this because of the "arbutus trees" which are evident in the album cover's photograph. Finally, she sits, in the empty spotlight. During her mini tour in 2000 she surprised many of us by performing this song; it had never exactly been a staple of her live performances. Just as she began singing that final line the lights, sans one single white spotlight, were extinguished, bathing Joni in an eerie glow. It sent chills up my spine. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:30:15 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: George Michaels' Edith That IS an issue, Lindsay - I guess the problem is that Joni does her own songs so darn good that it's tough to reconceptualize them, although many have, for better or for worse, mostly the latter but I always like to hear them - like Roine Stolt's awesome "Sex Kills", and of course most recently Bettye Lavette at Carnegie Hall...that one still gives me the chillie willies. Still, it's a valid tribute when someone wants to try and scale the same heights that Joni did and does it her way. You're welcome, and hey, you even mentioned another GM song! It's pretty funny to see that...all Bob, all the time...just wish I was getting a commission. Bob NP: Nirvana, "Lithium" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:43:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: What to cover? Hi Patti - "into the studio again" - Yippee, I'm excited to hear it! You can always check good ol' JM.com to see how many times a Joni song has been covered, and even who has done it: http://www.jonimitchell.com/undercover/mostcovered.cfm Neither of your selections is 'overdone' by any means, FTR believe it or not has only been recorded by others a scant three times as far as I know (and I know pretty far). Hejira has 5 covers to its credit, but they include a live recording and Chaka Khan's recording for A Case of Joni that may never see the light of day, and also a Smiths recording that was more or less an in-studio jam that got recorded and released in very limited quantity (it is a Holy Grail Joni cover for me). For that matter, the entire ALBUM of FTR (with the exception of "You Turn Me On...") has been unfairly ignored in the covers arena, and many of the songs have NEVER been covered. Shameful. As far as being in character for you, both FTR & Hejira would work fine, but then so would many others. Heck - as good as you are you could probably pull off Dancin' Clown. But please don't try. Bob, a big Patti Witten fan http://cdbaby.com/found?allsearch=patti+witten NP: Don Mock, "Song To A Seagull" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:32:06 -0800 (PST) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: What to cover? Hey, Bob. I got to looking at the covers list at jonimitchell.com and saw "Just Couldn't Help Myself" on the list. Is there a recording of Joni doing that song? Where/when was this song written? Other background? J Bob Muller wrote: Hi Patti - "into the studio again" - Yippee, I'm excited to hear it! You can always check good ol' JM.com to see how many times a Joni song has been covered, and even who has done it: http://www.jonimitchell.com/undercover/mostcovered.cfm Neither of your selections is 'overdone' by any means, FTR believe it or not has only been recorded by others a scant three times as far as I know (and I know pretty far). Hejira has 5 covers to its credit, but they include a live recording and Chaka Khan's recording for A Case of Joni that may never see the light of day, and also a Smiths recording that was more or less an in-studio jam that got recorded and released in very limited quantity (it is a Holy Grail Joni cover for me). For that matter, the entire ALBUM of FTR (with the exception of "You Turn Me On...") has been unfairly ignored in the covers arena, and many of the songs have NEVER been covered. Shameful. As far as being in character for you, both FTR & Hejira would work fine, but then so would many others. Heck - as good as you are you could probably pull off Dancin' Clown. But please don't try. Bob, a big Patti Witten fan http://cdbaby.com/found?allsearch=patti+witten NP: Don Mock, "Song To A Seagull" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 18:52:48 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: What to cover? A nice bit of Joni trivia there, J... Joni is listed as co-writer of this 1976 tune along with John Guerin and Max Bennett from the LA Express. I'm not sure how much of a hand Joni had in it, I don't hear a lot of her in the melody nor much of the lyric. Since she's listed as a co-writer, I call it a Joni cover. It was released on 45, as far as I know recorded only by O.C. Smith (the "Little Green Apples" guy). And here's a pic of the label: http://cgi.ebay.com/O-C-SMITH-JUST-COULDNT-HELP-MYSELF-CBS-Mellow-Gem_W0QQitemZ4825817523QQcategoryZ27349QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Bob NP: Annie Haslam, "I Don't Know Where I Stand" J Kendel Johnson wrote: Hey, Bob. I got to looking at the covers list at jonimitchell.com and saw "Just Couldn't Help Myself" on the list. Is there a recording of Joni doing that song? Where/when was this song written? Other background? - --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:35:59 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: What to cover? Interesting... OC Smith was present (and performed) at the National Academy of Songwriters evening (late 90's) in which Joni (who also performed) received the NAS lifetime achievement award in Los Angeles. He sang "Stand By Me" and knew many of the lyrics! RR - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Muller" >A nice bit of Joni trivia there, J... > > Joni is listed as co-writer of this 1976 tune along with John Guerin and > Max Bennett from the LA Express. I'm not sure how much of a hand Joni had > in it, I don't hear a lot of her in the melody nor much of the lyric. > Since she's listed as a co-writer, I call it a Joni cover. > > It was released on 45, as far as I know recorded only by O.C. Smith (the > "Little Green Apples" guy). > > And here's a pic of the label: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/O-C-SMITH-JUST-COULDNT-HELP-MYSELF-CBS-Mellow-Gem_W0QQitemZ4825817523QQcategoryZ27349QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > Bob > > NP: Annie Haslam, "I Don't Know Where I Stand" > > J Kendel Johnson wrote: > Hey, Bob. > > I got to looking at the covers list at jonimitchell.com and saw "Just > Couldn't Help Myself" on the list. Is there a recording of Joni doing that > song? Where/when was this song written? Other background? > > --------------------------------- > Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:09:33 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: What to cover? >My 1st question: is this an over- or under-covered cover? I am too ambitious? For those who know my CD, is in in character? My 2nd question: who is this song about? My 3rd question: Any other song suggestions? Thanks so much for your thoughts, oh wise and powerful Joniphiles.< Songwriter to songwriter.... Don't overthink this... Scratch record both & see which speaks to you... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:47:29 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 >- --No, hee hee, and being a pink teamer I don't want to. However, does that make her a bad person? Are the ladies that do that sort of thing bad people? Living where I do and growing up the way I did would lead me to believe that yes, she and they are evil. I don't. I don't recall if this conversation was about good/bad. You said you didn't know anything about her. I didn't know much either so watched a televised concert many years ago. It was a striptease act. Except she could hardly move very well (as opposed to Madona who can). BS is/was a bad role model to a lot of really young girls. It had nothing to do with music or making it in the traditional sense of an artist IMO of course. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 21:49:31 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Stevie on Joni >The parable concerns the only meeting between Fleetwood Mac's sorceress chanteuse and the great Joni Mitchell. "Then I gave her a hug and I just walked away, 'cause I didn't even want her to start to say anything back.< I wonder if this took place at the stormy weather benefit? 1998? They both sang... Fun night! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 01:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Kay Ashley" Subject: Belated Thanks (SJC) Howdy Listers, I am very belatedly writing to those of you who were in NYC for the Carnegie Hall / Rockwood Music Hall debauchery... I had a great time at the Carnegie Hall show and have many impressions that still feel fresh about various performances, but at this point I'm not sure what I can add to everything others have said.... though I will say that Bettye Levette's performance of "Last Chance Lost" was the absolute highlight of the evening for me. She completey blew me away and I think that her performance was the one that would have pleased Joni the most, had she been there. Bettye achieved the absolute height of what a great cover should be -- she took that song, crushed it up in the crucible, and worked her alchemy and brought out something utterly new and magical. Chills just thinking about it now. I also loved Richie Haven's "Woodstock" -- I remarked to Patrick (who sat next to me scribbling with his totally bitchin' flashlight pen) that Richie's version was the "Horse With No Name" version of "woodstock" -- it had a very similar feel. I presume that this was unintentional on Richie's part, but as more time passes and I recall his performance, the more I feel that the "Horse WIth No Name" comparison is truly meaningful, at least to me: that we are walking in the desert now, but we've got to get ourselves back to the garden. And you never know -- perhaps Richie Havens was deliberately trying to create that horsey desert mood... A huge thank you to Julius for putting together the pre-show party in the Citigroup Cafe -- what a great time, great chance to reunite with people and hang and sing. And a huge thank you to Patrick as well for getting us all into Seppi's somehow -- it was great fun to just take over the entire joint, meet some new listers and meet Tom Rush to boot. Kudos to Alison for crushing a soda cup and leaving it on the floor under my table at Seppi's -- way to make those mo-mo's proud, girl! And I want to reserve my greatest effusiveness for the tremendous support that you all gave to me during the Night In City tribute at Rockwood Music Hall. I was SO happy that you were all willing to come to such a late show, and ya'll hung in there until 4:00 am!! So wonderful... and you guys are such a great audience, and since I know pretty much all of you and are used to your enthusiastic response to all music, I wasn't really focused on that part until some of my NYC musician colleagues began commenting about how great the audience was, how attentive and polite, etc. And they are so right -- you were all fantastic and though I put a lot of work into making the thing happen, you guys are the ones who made it a success. It was a peak experience, for sure. It was a true pleasure to meet and hear new people like Lynn Skinner and Angela McKenzie, who both totally rocked; it was of course a pleasure to play with David Lahm (how could it not be?); and it's always so much fun to hear Paz's varied talents and encyclopedic knowledge of Joni's music -- and thank you Paz for making sure that John Kelly became a part of the show. What a thrill that was. And thanks to Paz for lugging all his crazy equipment to NYC -- having the VG8 was a real boon and helped make the evening run very smoothly. And thank you to Bob Muller for MCing the show -- Casey Kasem's got NUTHIN' on Bob! :-) Thanks to Alison for staying so late despite an early morning flight and singing "You Turn Me On..." and to Donna the Texas Tush for sharing her version of "I Think I Understand" again, this time with amplification so that everyone could really enjoy it. She had John Kelly in tears, ya'll. I took a lot of pictures as well, and will hopefully get it together this weekend and post them to the Kodak site where everyone can view them. I was playing the role of permanent stage hand, perched on the edge of the stage the whole time, which was great fun in terms of enjoying the music, but it also gave me a really interesting vantage point for taking pictures. Got some Arty ones, even. :-) Also, the show was recorded, though not everything was captured. The saddest omission is Gary Zack's performance of "Just Like Me" -- the CD burner was occupied with playing his backing tracks, so his performance was not captured. Seems that "Just Like Me" is somehow destined to remain unreleased, eh? (btw the "eh" is technically Joni content.) One thing I have to say about the whole experience of putting together Night In The City -- it gave me a very small taste of what Ashara must go through with all the extensive planning for a JoniFest. Ashara, I have seen a very small glimpse of the gargantuan task it is, and I promise you that if you ever organize another fest, I will do everything early! :-) So, a huge, heartfelt thanks to Ashara for all her work over the years which has been, from my POV, second in importance only to Wally Breese's, in terms of birthing this community into a quite NON-virtual one! It amazes me how well we have come to know one another, how lasting the bonds have been, just based on the occasional intense shared experiences provided by the JoniFests. I don't mean to neglect the efforts of others who have organized Fests, but I speak for myself, and Ashara's Fests are the only ones I have experienced. And those Fests have been such great times and have been the platform for beginning friendships that I really treasure. And really, it would not have been possible for me to organize the Night In The City benefit without feeling confident that this community would pull through and show up. So, a really HUGE thank you to all of you. Please forgive me a moment of self-promotion: for you NYCers, here's a very belated announcment of another show of mine at Rockwood; I'm playing at 8:00 pm on Friday (today): http://www.kayashley.com/calendar.html It was so great to see you all again and to meet listers who were new to me. So maybe one of these days there will be another occasion for a bunch of you to be in NYC and I can organize another concert -- one that starts at a reasonable hour!! :-D Peace out, Kay ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.kayashley.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #51 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)