From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #49 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 15 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 049 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 ["Kate Bennett" ] Covers 73 [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Winter Lady [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: Winter Lady [Em ] Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 [Em ] RE: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Both sides now [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Both sides now [Em ] Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 [Catherine McKay ] Re: Both sides now [Bob Muller ] Re: Winter Lady [Em ] Re: Winter Lady [Bob Muller ] Re: Both sides now [Box of Paints ] Re: That slow Joni Cover... [PassScribe@aol.com] Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 ["Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 >Apart from the fact that David Crosby's life does not speak to me as someone who has lived life with depth... he is controversial certainly, but lack of depth is not something I'd use to describe him.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:30:29 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Various Ramblings Kenny, tell me more - I've not heard of this one and it doesn't appear anywhere in anything I see in regards to Iron & Wine. Bob NP: Fleetwood Mac, "Murrow Turning Over In His Grave" - --------------------------------- Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Covers 73 George Michael's cover of Edith makes Bob's compilation really worth while. I just wanted to add that George also has a "take" on 1957 (see Joni's Begining of Come In From The Cold: "back in 1957"), where he tells the story of his father and mother. His song is called 'Round Here and it's lovely. Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:16:04 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Winter Lady Bob Muller reported : "Chuck, as you probably know, recorded The Circle Game for an album he released in the 70's. What you may not know is that he also recorded Joni's "Winter Lady", which was never released but will be coming to a Covers Volume in the near future." As I recall, Joni introduced Winter Lady (second frets, again ?) as a song she wrote for a man (maybe Chuck ? if so, sort of touching, a step beyond 'making the best of the situation') to sing - but she eventually decided she wanted to sing it herself, anyway. Hmmmmmmmmm. I like that song. Should be interesting. Bobsart NPIMH - Ladies of the Canyon (the whole record - I played it on my instruments in my 'unpolished' way cover to cover on Sunday, just for kicks - except I haven't really learned Woodstock yet (with all the black keys - should be a piece of cake, really, but the teaser is that almost any black key you hit works out more or less, so I remain lazy). Do any of you musicians out there do that from time to time - just sit down and play a whole Joni album for the effect of the mood ? I do it with Hejira sometimes (Blue Motel Room's a toughie for me), and STAS too (Except the Pirate of Penance - ugh). I think I could do Blue too, except for My Old Man. Laughing how my imperfections will never be denied. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:37:36 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Winter Lady That's not the "Winter Lady" recorded by Leonard Cohen, is it? "Trav'ling lady, stay awhile until the night is over. I'm just a station on your way, I know I'm not your lover." I'm thinking *not* as the song I'm thinking of is very "Cohen". or? Em - --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Bob Muller reported : > > "Chuck, as you probably know, recorded The Circle Game for an album > he > released in the 70's. What you may not know is that he also recorded > Joni's > "Winter Lady", which was never released but will be coming to a > Covers Volume in > the near future." > > > > > > As I recall, Joni introduced Winter Lady (second frets, again ?) as a > song > she wrote for a man (maybe Chuck ? if so, sort of touching, a step > beyond > 'making the best of the situation') to sing - but she eventually > decided she > wanted to sing it herself, anyway. > > Hmmmmmmmmm. > > I like that song. Should be interesting. > > Bobsart > > NPIMH - Ladies of the Canyon (the whole record - I played it on my > instruments in my 'unpolished' way cover to cover on Sunday, just for > kicks - except I > haven't really learned Woodstock yet (with all the black keys - > should be a > piece of cake, really, but the teaser is that almost any black key > you hit > works out more or less, so I remain lazy). Do any of you musicians > out there do > that from time to time - just sit down and play a whole Joni album > for the > effect of the mood ? I do it with Hejira sometimes (Blue Motel > Room's a > toughie for me), and STAS too (Except the Pirate of Penance - ugh). I > think I could > do Blue too, except for My Old Man. > > Laughing how my imperfections will never be denied. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:24:25 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 Yeah who knows what all he's seen through those eyes of his out on the ocean. Or heck even with his eyes "closed". Could be he's plumbed the depths of the universe. Em - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > >Apart from the fact that David Crosby's life does not speak to me as > > someone who has lived life with depth... > > he is controversial certainly, but lack of depth is not something I'd > use to > describe him.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:32:12 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 >Yeah who knows what all he's seen through those eyes of his out on the ocean. Or heck even with his eyes "closed". Could be he's plumbed the depths of the universe. Em< He's been through hell & highwater. He's a (leo) cat with at least nine lives. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:14:20 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 Very interesting musings on the JMDL this a.m. Find myself compelled to respond although my opinion is less than regarded highly, at least on the jmdl, but think that, perhaps, I would be more concerned if the reverse were true. Initially traveled here to find those special, 'deep' folks that also listened to and understood the words and music of Joni Mitchell. At that time, to me, she was more than human; a prophetess, a savior, a seer of things that mere mortals usually did not find. Now, have come to the conclusion that Joni Mitchell is a human being and although she was and is blessed with unique gifts by the creator, she is no more special than me, or you, or them. Not by any means attempting to lessen her impact on my life or the gratitude I feel towards her for helping me to see many messages more clearly. Still a genius in my mind and in her own well adorned place she will always reside. The past few weeks here have been very helpful in answering more questions in this mind pertaining to the importance of such a place, the meaning of my life and our lives, my own brilliance, and ineptitude and ignorance. I did initially believe Joni had no business not attending the big event and wrote so. Now, can see my impulsiveness and have learned one thing if no other--one doesn't go into the shrine where worship accepted and expected, and throw eggs at the statue there, even if the soul inside the stone taught that such things are important, even essential to self expression and growth. But does ones self anointed excellence, in this case music, make the efforts of others poor, not worthy, or garbage? Have many times in my days expressed my feelings on the subject and have called much those kinds of names. Would venture to write that masses would disagree with me and are the masses always wrong even if a small group prefers to be elitist in their opinions? I would answer no. Just opinion and even if the rights put forth as God-given aren't really so, isn't opinion surely one of them? Don't care for Britney Spears music but don't know her, except in the tabloids. Have no idea who she is, what she is, or what she wants from life. Is she deep? Am I? Are you? And who is the judge on such things? What makes one person 'deep' and another not so? Remember in high school inside the group in which I ran that we would call ourselves 'deep' and therefore it was okay for us to easily, more or less, designate anyone that disagreed with us or any group that excluded us, as not deep, stupid, they just didn't get it. Maybe it was us that 'didn't get it.' Did Joni Mitchell go her own way and not attempt to be a successful pop, folk, rock star? Perhaps she did. Perhaps she couldn't, either make it to the top of the business (whatever the definition of that might be) or didn't want to. Don't know Joni either and have no idea what her inner desires are or were. Pure speculation. Have no vision of what she wanted from life or if she succeeded, only she knows. One thing is sure, Britney Spears has succeeded in being a superstar of the pop of today and for that I give her credit. Surely wasn't easy and whether or not I, or you, find her music salvageable, lasting, or worthy, the girl made it. As for the cat excuse for not attending the tribute concert I would find that a viable and acceptable excuse but my parents would find not doing anything for the sake of an animal mere folly. Were they wrong? Would I be? Subjective at best any answer. Joni might have found the performer list less than golden, might have been afraid of being asked to sing when her voice has diminished (in the opinion of many), might have simply not wanted to. More power to her. I was simply upset for you, the fans, the friends I thought I had here. Shouldn't have written anything about it. A lesson learned for Mack. I would easily and gladly back the friends I thought I had over a star that I had come to worship. Just me. In retrospect, I wouldn't have gone either. As for David Crosby, I would think that he would shy away from insulting anyone after the life he has led. But how much do I know about him? Again, only what they have told me and that makes my opinion worthless in my estimation, in that instance. One thing is for sure. Joni Mitchell has been a good thing for me and coming to the JMDL has been as well. Many lessons learned, doors opened, eyes wider and see much more than before. ' nice, kitty, kitty.' mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:21:22 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Both sides now Anonymous message sent to JoniMitchell.com, forwarded for all to enjoy pleasure: "Thomas Dolby was the best thing that ever happened to Joni Mitchell. Her music without him is rubbish." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:50:36 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Both sides now Must be anonymous because the drugs haven't worn own to remember his/her name. Jerry > Anonymous message sent to JoniMitchell.com, forwarded for all to enjoy > pleasure: > > "Thomas Dolby was the best thing that ever happened to Joni Mitchell. Her > music without him is rubbish." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:59:43 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Both sides now LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its hilarious really..maybe Mr. Dolby sent it himself. I love him, really - "Wireless" was one of my fave 80's albums. Em - --- Les Irvin wrote: > Anonymous message sent to JoniMitchell.com, forwarded for all to > enjoy > pleasure: > > "Thomas Dolby was the best thing that ever happened to Joni Mitchell. > Her > music without him is rubbish." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 - --- mack watson-bush wrote: > Don't care for > Britney Spears music but > don't know her, except in the tabloids. Have no > idea who she is, what she > is, or what she wants from life. Is she deep? Am > I? Are you? And who is > the judge on such things? What makes one person > 'deep' and another not so? Hey, Mack! You think no one values your opinion? Bollocks, I say! Here's Joni looking at Britney from both sides now: - ------------------------------------------- Joni Mitchell by David Wild ) Rolling Stone October 31, 2002 [...] RS: If you were to run into a Britney Spears or a Christina Aguilera . . . JM: They're sweet. RS: Would you give them any advice? JM: No. I mean, what can you say? I mean, that's what they've chosen. God, my granddaughter is three, and she's really rhythmic. And already she's grabbing her crotch and dancing. It's really tragic what MTV has done to the world. Because it's piped all over the world. More at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/library/view.cfm?id=935 Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:44:29 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 hi >>>mack wrote (lots of interesting stuff but im only going to comment on parts of it) >>>>Find myself compelled to respond although my opinion is less than regarded highly, at least on the jmdl, i, for one, always take the time to read your posts & enjoy them - even the long ones.... >>>>At that time, to me, she was more than human; a prophetess, a savior, a seer of things that mere mortals usually did not find. Now, have come to the conclusion that Joni Mitchell is a human being and although she was and is blessed with unique gifts by the creator, she is no more special than me, or you, or them.<<<<<< she is blessed with a unique quality of expressing what we all feel. in order to get & appreciate what she says - we have to have a similar spirit within us to move in resonance. (otherwise we would all be saying that thomas dolby was the best thing to happen to her...........) >>>>>I did initially believe Joni had no business not attending the big >>>>>event and wrote so. <<<<<<< we all have to vent - laughing & crying is the same release - so is the occasional well placed swear word. personally i was really hoping she would be there. i think that this no show was pretty much the dying of the hope i had that she would perform again. i do however appreciate that she showed interest in the process, and got involved. ><>>>>>>>Did Joni Mitchell go her own way and not attempt to be a successful pop, folk, rock star? Perhaps she did. Perhaps she couldn't, either make it to the top of the business (whatever the definition of that might be) or didn't want to. well - speculating here like you. personally i think she really tried to do the succesful pop thing - but couldnt. her "pop" music was still over the heads of many people. even tho she tried to dumb it down to lowest common denominator level she couldnt cause she couldnt function at that level. havent you seen it many times where intelligent people cant grasp basics cause they either are looking for something deeper, or are unable to grasp the basic logic (or lack thereof) thats why songs like both sides now & are big yellow taxi are so popular. while its a deep message, its still pretty generic, universal & many people can get it - and feel important & deep for getting it. on the other hand how many people can identify with something like down to you, hejira, or boho dance (add name of favourite song here) >>>>>>>>>As for the cat excuse for not attending the tribute concert I would find that a viable and acceptable excuse but my parents would find not doing anything for the sake of an animal mere folly. i think (hope?) that this was probably a valid reason for not attending. i also think it shows where music is on her list of priorities, & we would be foolish (or perhaps naive) to expect more. i am not happy to have this understanding (which may well be wrong) but i definitely have a peace which comes from knowing & accepting that there will be no more new songs. she has left a body of work which will keep me happy for a long, long time to come. ron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:29:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Winter Lady Subject: Re: Both sides now Yours Truly, Mama Dolby (Total covers of all DED songs = 1) Les Irvin wrote: Anonymous message sent to JoniMitchell.com, forwarded for all to enjoy pleasure: "Thomas Dolby was the best thing that ever happened to Joni Mitchell. Her music without him is rubbish." - --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:43:51 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: Winter Lady wow those ARE gorgeous lyrics Bob. Gentle. thx for the link. And just think, NO help from Thomas Dolby! :) Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > > Nope Em...different song: > > http://www.jonimitchell.com/lyrics/song.cfm?id=WinterLady > > Really pretty, too - would have LOTS of covers by now had she > decided to put it on an album. > > Bob > > NP: Led Zeppelin, "Dazed & Confused" > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Winter Lady Subject: Re: Both sides now Whoever wrote that was close, but no cigar... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 14/02/06, Les Irvin wrote: > Anonymous message sent to JoniMitchell.com, forwarded for all to enjoy > pleasure: > > "Thomas Dolby was the best thing that ever happened to Joni Mitchell. Her > music without him is rubbish." > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:16:11 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: That slow Joni Cover... Hi, Bob, My neighbor's son gave me a CD he burned and on it is written, "Iron & Wine" and "Bloc Party". I figured it was Iron & Wine's album called Bloc Party. The number 8 track is this slow version of "Both Sides Now" and it seems to fit with the previous 7 tracks which are all kind of "easy listening" stuff. I tried calling the guy to ask about it and there's no answer so I went online and Googled the names (as you probably did). I found no real connection but learned that Iron & Wine and Bloc Party are two different groups. Upon replaying the CD, I realize now that it's Joni's own version of "Both Sides Now" from her 2000 "Love Story" release (you know, "At Last", "Comes Love", etc.) that I haven't listened to since, well... 2001? I'm sooooo embarassed! And I thought I finally found a cover you didn't know of. While searching online, however, I did find a few odd things: there's a version of "Both Sides Now" by someone called Blossom Dearie. Also, this news blurb which lists a group called Court and Spark (ever heard of them?): And that's not all. On January 31, Tract Records will reissue the 2004 Oldham tribute album I Am a Cold Rock. I am Dull Grass., featuring a bevy of bands nobody's heard of and a smattering of better known acts, including Calexico, Iron and Wine, and Scout Niblett. Originally a double-disc affair, the collection has been paired down to a single for the reissue. However, the new version features six additional artists that didn't appear on the original release: Jolie Holland, Elephant Micah, Court and Spark, Viking Moses, Unbunny, and tribute king Mark Kozelek. According to the label, Sufjan Stevens was originally slated to contribute a cover, but he got wrapped up in a little record called Illinois and had to withdraw his offer. The first 400 people to order the album directly from the label will receive a bonus disc filled with Tract artists and their associates covering each other's songs. Feel the love! Tracklistings: I Am a Cold Rock. I am Dull Grass.: 01 Mark Kozelek: "New Partner" 02 Moyra Mcbride and Maxon Blewitt: "Disorder" 03 The Strugglers: "Riding" 04 Boy Omega: "A Sucker's Evening" 05 Jolie Holland: "Drunk at the Pulpit" 06 The Impossible Shapes: "Rider" 07 Calexico: "I Send My Love to You" 08 Pinetop Seven: "Minor Place" 09 Elephant Micah: "Ohio River Boat Song" 10 Sodastream: "Southside of the World" 11 Pink Nasty: "May It Always Be" 12 The Court and Spark: "The Sun Highlights the Lack in Each" 13 Iron and Wine: "We All, Us Three, Will Ride" 14 Racingpaperplanes: "Careless Love" 15 Viking Moses: "When Thy Song Flows Through Me" 16 Rivulets: "You Will Miss Me When I Burn" 17 Unbunny: "For the Mekons, Et Al" 18 Scout Niblett: "Trudy Dies" "Amelia... it was just a false alarm...." Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:06:29 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Joni in movie to be shown on Showtime Mar. 8 "Friendship is unnecessary, like philosophy..like art... it has no survival value..rather it is one of those things that give value to survival." C.S. Lewis Thanks ..Mack ..for sharing this beautiful heartfelt writing. Good..kitty..kitty.. Love... Bree >>Very interesting musings on the JMDL this a.m. Find myself compelled to >respond although my opinion is less than regarded highly, at least on the >jmdl, but think that, perhaps, I would be more concerned if the reverse >were >true. Initially traveled here to find those special, 'deep' folks that >also >listened to and understood the words and music of Joni Mitchell. At that >time, to me, she was more than human; a prophetess, a savior, a seer of >things that mere mortals usually did not find. Now, have come to the >conclusion that Joni Mitchell is a human being and although she was and is >blessed with unique gifts by the creator, she is no more special than me, >or >you, or them. Not by any means attempting to lessen her impact on my life >or the gratitude I feel towards her for helping me to see many messages >more >clearly. Still a genius in my mind and in her own well adorned place she >will always reside. just didn't get it. Maybe it was us that 'didn't get >it.' Did Joni Mitchell go her own way and not attempt to be a successful >pop, folk, rock star? Perhaps she did. Perhaps she couldn't, either make >it to the top of the business (whatever the definition of that might be) or >didn't want to. Don't know Joni either and have no idea what her inner >desires are or were. . . A lesson learned for Mack. >I would easily and gladly back the friends I thought I had over a star that >I had come to worship. Just me. In retrospect, I wouldn't have gone >either. . One thing is for sure. Joni Mitchell >has been a good thing for me and coming to the JMDL has been as well. Many >lessons learned, doors opened, eyes wider and see much more than before. ' >nice, kitty, kitty.' > >mack ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #49 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)