From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #21 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 21 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 021 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman and priorities ["Kate Ben] Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad News From Sam Feldman ["Cassy" ] RE: "Celebrating the Music of Joni Mitchell... [Joseph Palis ] Re: "Celebrating the Music of Joni Mitchell... [Box of Paints ] Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Only Joni [Wes ] Re: Shitting on her fans?! [J Kendel Johnson ] Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad News From Sam Feldman ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Was: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Now The Chieftains [Box of Paints Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman and priorities Having friends in the music biz with managers & having to deal with management rather than the clients... I can tell you that sometimes managers don't speak for their clients & will often make decisions that the client is unaware of ... I think the show will be spectacular considering all the talent involved ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 04:45:24 -0500 From: "Cassy" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad News From Sam Feldman I'm thinking that it's the pre-show reception that Joni and her team will not be attending, not the tribute show itself. I could be wrong but I believe she will be in attendance at the show itself, she simply RSVP'd and declined (or her management did for her) to attend the reception which Julius had sent an invitation for. Then again, I've been wrong before. Warmly, Cassy From: "Paul In MD" <<< For those attending the Tribute, I know this is disappointing news but remember -- Joni was never scheduled to appear. There was no deception on her part. We were privy to information that she was considering participating in an event such as this. This is either not the event or she changed her mind. It's her perogative. >>> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 08:38:07 EST From: Warrenkeith91354@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman Sounds a bit like sour grapes Mack! Jonily Yours, Warren Keith mack watson-bush" writes: Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an event and meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her right not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? I suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. For all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses the line when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some crappy music, along with the great work. mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:48:53 -0600 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad News From Sam Feldman Paul In MD said - If I were able to attend the Tribute, the main reason would be to meet = the wonderful people I've come to know by being part of this list. A = night of great music at Carnegie Hall, some sightseeing, hearing a few = JMDL artists perform and generally getting to know my fellow friends of = spirit -- seems like a super time me - thats why i'm going and I'M WAY EXCITED peace, david No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 1/20/06 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:04:49 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: COUNTDOWN 12 DAYS ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:34:44 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Tickets for Oddmund & Karen Marie Dearest Oddmund: You've got the urge for going now? Your urge, cher Monsieur, is my command! I have two prime parquet tickets available, just for you and Karen Marie. Voila: - ---------------------------------------------------------- JONI MITCHELL Wednesday, 2/1/06 at 8:00PM EST Prime Parquet Section Row Seat Price Type P1__ K 109 $100.00 Internet Full Price P1__ K 110 $100.00 Internet Full Price Total Convenience Fee for 2 seats $11.00 Price for 2 seats $211.00 - ---------------------------------------------------------- I think this was meant to be, don't you? I have been holding these two tickets in the hope that two other dear friends could join me, but just like our Joni, for whatever reasons, they cannot attend. So when the hopes got so slim yesterday, I just resigned. Sigh. I knew I'd have to find a "good home" for these wonderful seats. A "good home", indeed! They're for "you, baby, nobody but you!" (-- Turtles, 1968?) And I think it's rather remarkable that they are in Row K. Your last name begins with K. And Karen begins with K. These tickets have your names written all over them! (Sorry -- is this too much Jonidiomatic logic for a Saturday morning? When I get this crazy feeling....) May my little "portrait of a disappointment" here (that two other friends could not make it) turn into, for you, the "dizzy dancing way you feel when every fairy tale come real!" Yes! Come in from the cold! I can't wait to meet you both. A Joni Scholar, plus a friend of JMCOD spirit. It was you, Oddmund, after all, who asked last year if (and I paraphrase) if there were anyone else on this list who had a problem w/ incessant Joni-quoting (HELLO!!!) and it was then that I came "out of the closet" w/ my JMOCD. So get in touch lickety-split (that means quickly) and let me know if you're *really* coming. I feel like I'm sleeping, can you wake me? I want to see your stamps of many countries and your passport smile -- in person! Love, Patti P. P.S. to Jahida: I'm glad you got a ticket, too! You were on my mind, as I didn't want you crying for years. That was sweet! Well me and karen marie are planning to go to NYC for the upcoming event at carnegie hall. it's a long long and expensive flight from Norway (and we hear that housing is expensive there too- -) But we have a feeling here, we just have to go. we checked the ticket box online office at Carnegie Hall - - - and got the impression that the concert was sold out:UFFDA!!!! NEVERTHELESS, we still have some hope left ; may any of you dear joni friends have some wild idea on how we can get tickets to the concert at present? Are there still tickets available in any way - Or is the last chance lost? Hopeful greetings!!! From snowy and chaotic Oslo - Norway Oddmund in Enebakk and Karen Marie in Oslo - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:42:21 EST From: PassScribe@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni no-show Well, yes, I am a little disappointed that Joni won't be there; I've never seen/heard her in person and was hoping to at least witness her doing a song or two. But, you know, when I signed on to the Northeast JoniFest a couple years ago (upstate NY), no one said Joni was going to be there either. I still went, to see what it was all about. And, as anyone who's read my "review" (in the archives someplace) of that event knows, that was one of the greatest weekends of my life. My wife still says I talked too much about it when I returned... to everyone I met for months afterward. The real reasons I'm going to the tribute show? Yes, to see some "professionals" do covers of Joni songs on stage... and to meet up again with some of the greatest people on earth at the pre-show reception, intermission... and wherever we wind up after the show. I'm actually looking forward to seeing/hearing the "volunteers" perform at the Chinese Cafe more than the program later. You folks are the best! I love you all. Kenny B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:08:39 -0500 From: jonijoe@email.unc.edu Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman So, in reading this reply from Cathy Clarke, when she says "Joni will not be attending the event", are we not inferring too much in being certain that "event" means the whole Carnegie Hall show, and not just the JMDL reception at the Citigroup? I mean, that was the "event" in the invitation Ms. Clarke was responding to. Just sayin'... See you all there -- and hey, if Joni really isn't there for any of it, it may be a blessing in disguise. We can actually *enjoy* each other's company and not have to worry about jumping over each other trying to get at her (c'mon now, I know I would!) joe p.s. some of the songs are more conducive to frequent listening than others (especially if you're normal and not one of us) but in her career, the woman has not recorded anything "crappy". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 11:11:36 -0600 (CST) From: michael@thepazgroup.com Subject: A Note From Orange County VLJC) Hello Everyone from Orange County, Cal.- I am so looking forward to the tribute week get together and I am very excited that Lynn Skinner will be joining us. Sad that JM is rumored NOT to be there, but it will still be a joyous get together with the JMDL family. I am at the NAMM show in Anaheim hanging out with pals Kakki, and Steve Dulson and MIchelle and Juan (aka Magic Juan). Last night we went to the Yamaha Dealer Concert in Disneyland. The show started out with a few songs by Gavin Degraw who was pretty good and reminded of a less soulful Marc Broussard. The the wonderful kd Lang took the stage and kicked all of our asses. My Gawd can that woman sing. She sang my fave Constant Craving as well as Don't Smoke in Bed and a song called Love For Sale from a movie coming out next year with Scarlet Johansson (who she gushed over blatantly). She joked with the crowd that her connection with Yamaha goes back to when she was nine and her daddy bought her a Yamaha motorcycle. She says everything is his fault! She sang Hallelujah by Leonard Cohen (almost as well as Giselle). Next it was a surprise guest, Al Jarreau, was amazing as always. He sang Take Five, Get My Boogie Down, as well as a few other of his hits. Natalie Cole was next and she looked positively stunning. Of course her voice and delivery is so special. She did a Michael Franks tune as well as a few of her hits incl. Unforgettable with dear old dad on the movie projection behind her. We could have been satisfied with so little talent thus far so they hit us with Sarah McLachlan. She played Building a Mystery on guitar and then played the piano for the remainder of the set, including Adia, Angel, and Fallen. She said that this was the first time she had opened her mouth to sing since last June 12. Her 5 yo daughter does not like her to sing. I guess the kid was tolerant cause the gig was in Disneyland. Whoo hoo. I love Sarah and it was cool to see her play with a house band. I thought at least her husband Ash would play drums. The house band was amazing including: Nathan East on Bass, Luis Conti on Perc, Greg Philliagnnes (sp?) on piano and on and on. Brian Wilson close the show which was real cool but by that time we were spent and seeing how there were no rest rooms inside the theater there and we had to walk so far to go there Kakki and I split to go find a cab. Alot of people felt that way I guess cause we were not the only ones that split a little early. We passed up a chance to see Al DiMeola with my friend Ravi and his wife as well at the Acoustic Cafe show with Andy Summers Trio with Steve and Michele Dulson which was sad. I am getting together with Steve for lunch today at NAMM at we will probably hang out tonight as well as have our annual jam session at the suite in the hotel. Thanks for the opportunity to gush just a little. I have such a boring life! Love Paz (sitting in some bright cafe just after breakfast) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 09:05:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman Lori Fye wrote: > Hope its because Joni has something else terribly wonderful and thrilling and fun to do I didn't mention that Joni and I are having lunch at the Daily Grill in Brentwood on Feb 1? ; ) You 2, Lori? Joni warned me that there should be a surprise guest!:) Love, Nuri - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 12:41:27 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: "Celebrating the Music of Joni Mitchell... ...At Carnegie Hall" is the new pitch on the CH ticket site, and the Joni event page on the Musicforyouth site has been summarily removed, without explanation. Damn. I smell lawyers. And just for the record, I never offered "congratulations" to anyone in my email to Mr. Feldman, et. al., I simply offered "thanks." There is a distinct difference, sir. When the Carnegie Hall Tribute to Joni Mitchell is a "rare and exciting" evening as advertised, whomever it's produced by, then congratulations will be in order, and I'll be the first to offer them with my heartfelt applause. It appears obvious to me that Michael Dorf and his production organization has somehow run afoul of Joni's management, which is completely predictable and not at all unprecedented. It's just wearisome to me at this point. Sigh. Grow up! Nevertheless, we've been encouraged to "Have a wonderful evening." To which I say: "Yes! Thank you, Mr. Feldman. I'm quite certain we will. We are the Joni Mitchell Discussion List. We know no other way!" So everybody come on out to the Big Apple! We're putting on a Jonifest. I'm excited about seeing each and every Joni-lovin' one of you! We're going to have a ball! - -Julius NP: "Down to You" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:15:50 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman Julius wrote and forwarded: Sorry gang, but the show goes on... Message from Joni's management below: Dear Julius, Thank you for your email and kind invitation. Unfortunately, Joni will not be attending the event and neither will any of our staff. Your congratulations for producing the event should be directed to Michael Dorf, creator and organizer. Hi Julius, I wonder if Joni might come on her own accord... not answering to S.L. Feldman & Associates (SLFA) entertainment agency. Or is she not free to travel to things like this without their involvement? The tribute is FOR her not a concert by her so it doesn't surprise me that the the SLA, I mean the SLFA, isn't involved. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:37:44 -0500 From: "Christopher Treacy" Subject: Fuss Fuss and More Fuss.... Treacy here, Out of lurk mode for a brief moment to voice an opinion on the Carnegie gig - - I'm not at all surprised. In fact, I've been tuning in to the event site and also jm.com waiting for the disclaimer to be posted. Have we all forgotten that Joni doesn't like to fly? Something about the ventilation/air conditioning systems in airplanes makes her ill - this is old news. Which is another reason why she avoids touring in general - she always gets sick (I guess most musicians get sick when they're on the road, though - part and parcel.). So, while I was pleasantly surprised to hear that she was initially on board for the event, I greeted the news with skepticism. I was bummed out that I missed Joni's Jazz way back when in the park (although the performances were iffy at best.), so I'm treating myself to this event since I couldn't get my act together for the previous one. I'm excited to see Shawn, Me'Shell, Vega, Sedaka, Laurie Anderson - it'll be interesting to seewhat each of them bring to the table. I've been purposefully laying off listening to Joni so that I'm not set on any one arrangement, which has kept me from enjoying JM covers in the past. Okay, back into lurk mode, Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:47:58 +0100 (CET) From: Joseph Palis Subject: RE: "Celebrating the Music of Joni Mitchell... Jonilistas~ Just recently resubscribing to the List and wish those who are attending the Tribute at Carnegie Hall on Feb 1 the happiest -- I'm envious. I've always wanted to attend a Jonifest (since 1998 in fact) and now even if this Tribute promises to be a great event, I still can't due to a number of non-Joni reasons (i.e. classes, finances, timing, upcoming qualifying exams, etc.). And just when I thought I could actually make things work for my schedule to fly to the Big Apple for the said event, tickets were sold out. It is like a scene in this sweet Scandinavian film "Propellerblume" (great movie by the way). My only consolation is the prospect of attending a concert of another icon and idol come Jan 31 -- the one and only Rickie Lee Jones who will perform at the Carrboro Arts Center. But miracles are known to happen, and not just in Medjugorge, so I may be able to get a ticket and fly cheap and come back to the Triangle. Aside from the JMDL community, there are also performances to look forward to from Shawn Colvin, Tracy Chapman, (little) Jimmy Scott to Laurie Anderson, Suzanne Vega, Keren Ann, plus a host of hitherto unknown talents (this Michelle Williams can't be the Michelle Williams of "Brokeback Mountain", no?). Speaking of "Brokeback Mountain"...... nah, some other time. Joseph in CH np: Nancy Marano "Last Night When We Were Young" - --------------------------------- Nouveau : tiliphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Dicouvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Tilichargez la version beta. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:00:20 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: "Celebrating the Music of Joni Mitchell... Hi all. Rose pointed out to me that the event website is still there, and it is: http://www.musicforyouth.org/joni/ Thanks, Rose. I'd like to take back the whole post, with apologies, really. I've been listening to some music and reading some of your thoughtful and (sometimes!) funny emails, and I feel a lot better now. I had some coffee, too. I'm much better. You have no idea. Went to see Wanda Sykes at a comedy club in San Francisco last night and laughed my proverbial ass off, but damn the champagne again. None in NY for me, okay, guys? I'm almost serious. This struck me funny though, you guys. I sit down here at my Mac, put my iPod on shuffle, and I swear to you, this song by Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young was the very first thing I hear...LOL! Let's see. Hmmm. Who could this song be about? Who "Had a King"? Class?: I Used to Be a King I used to be a King And everything around me turned to gold I thought I had everything And now I'm left without a hand to hold But its all right I'm O.K. How are you? For what its worth I must say I loved you And in my bed late at night, I miss you Someone is going to take my heart But no one is going to break my heart again I used to be a King And everything around me turned to rust Itbs `cause I built my life on sand And I watched it crumble in the dust But Itbs all right I'm O.K. And I want to know how you are For what itbs worth I must say I loved you as you are And in my bed where are you? Someone is going to take my heart But no one is going to break my heart again I used to be a King And everything around me turned around But I know all I have to do is sing And Ibll lift myself way off the ground Yeah, but itbs all right I'm O.K. How are you? For what itbs worth I must say I loved you And in my bed late at night where are you? Someone is going to take my heart But no one is going to break my heart again :-) - -Julius In a message dated 1/21/06 9:41:27 AM, JRMCo1 writes: > ...At Carnegie Hall" is the new pitch on the CH ticket site, and the Joni > event page on the Musicforyouth site has been summarily removed, without > explanation.B Damn.B I smell lawyers.B ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:07:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Fuss Fuss and More Fuss.... She also hates to be anywhere where she can't smoke. I think that has more to do with it than anything. The last few appearances and interviews she has done they made exceptions for her. Joni's Jazz was outdoors so she smoked continually (we were just a few rows from her.) Fewer smoking celebrities are coming to NYV because there is no where you can smoke except outside, and in February that can be brutal. We sat next to Liza and entourage at Joe's Pub last June and every time she went out for a smoke she was mobbed. Jerry Christopher Treacy wrote: > Treacy here, > > > > Out of lurk mode for a brief moment to voice an opinion on the Carnegie > gig > - I'm not at all surprised. > > > > In fact, I've been tuning in to the event site and also jm.com waiting for > the disclaimer to be posted. > > > > Have we all forgotten that Joni doesn't like to fly? Something about the > ventilation/air conditioning systems in airplanes makes her ill - this is > old news. Which is another reason why she avoids touring in general - she > always gets sick (I guess most musicians get sick when they're on the > road, > though - part and parcel.). So, while I was pleasantly surprised to hear > that she was initially on board for the event, I greeted the news with > skepticism. > > > > I was bummed out that I missed Joni's Jazz way back when in the park > (although the performances were iffy at best.), so I'm treating myself to > this event since I couldn't get my act together for the previous one. I'm > excited to see Shawn, Me'Shell, Vega, Sedaka, Laurie Anderson - it'll be > interesting to seewhat each of them bring to the table. I've been > purposefully laying off listening to Joni so that I'm not set on any one > arrangement, which has kept me from enjoying JM covers in the past. > > > > Okay, back into lurk mode, > > Christopher ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 20:03:14 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Re: "Celebrating the Music of Joni Mitchell... I love this song... This is definitely about Our Joan, I think it says so on the liner notes to the big CSN(&Y?) box set that my brother had. I thought it had the lines 'I just wanna hold you I don't wanna hold you down' to them... I could be wrong and I could be mixing them up with another Nash song. It's interesting that he writes the line 'It's cause I built my life on sand And I watched it crumble in the dust' which is poosibly a reference to Joni saying to him, while she was away in Greece 'The tighter you hold sand in your hand, the faster it trickles away' (or words to that effect) And the reference to 'where in my bed are you' which is an echo of 'My bed's too big / the frying pan's too wide...' But I'm not sure of the chronology of this song, whether it was written for Wild Tales (1972?) or earlier... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 21/01/06, JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > I Used to Be a King > > I used to be a King > And everything around me turned to gold > I thought I had everything > And now I'm left without a hand to hold > > But its all right I'm O.K. > How are you? > For what its worth I must say I loved you > And in my bed late at night, I miss you > > Someone is going to take my heart > But no one is going to break my heart again > > I used to be a King > And everything around me turned to rust > Itbs `cause I built my life on sand > And I watched it crumble in the dust > > But Itbs all right I'm O.K. > And I want to know how you are > For what itbs worth I must say I loved you as you are > And in my bed where are you? > > Someone is going to take my heart > But no one is going to break my heart again > > I used to be a King > And everything around me turned around > But I know all I have to do is sing > And Ibll lift myself way off the ground > > Yeah, but itbs all right I'm O.K. > How are you? > For what itbs worth I must say I loved you > And in my bed late at night where are you? > > Someone is going to take my heart > But no one is going to break my heart again > > :-) > > -Julius > > In a message dated 1/21/06 9:41:27 AM, JRMCo1 writes: > > > > ...At Carnegie Hall" is the new pitch on the CH ticket site, and the Joni > > event page on the Musicforyouth site has been summarily removed, without > > explanation.B Damn.B I smell lawyers.B > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:08:06 -0500 From: frednow@aol.com Subject: Shitting on her fans?! I've hardly had a chance to keep up with the list for awhile now, for which I apologize. The Carnegie thing caught my attention; good luck to all who are performing, sorry I can't be there to share the fun. However, the following post from Mack did catch my eye, and I felt compelled to respond. "Shitting on her fans"?! Just because she can't attend? And this makes her lyrics "hypocritical"? Say what?! I'm sorry, this attitude really crosses the line for me. In the first place, who the hell knows her life, how she is, what she's doing, etc? How can anyone presume that she "owes" her fans her presence at this one particular event? Secondly, why on earth would Joni want to come in order to appease fans with an attitude like this? Sorry for the rant. - Fred "mack watson-bush" wrote: Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an event and meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her right not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? I suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. For all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses the line when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some crappy music, along with the great work. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! I think Mack's just having a bad day. Jerry frednow@aol.com wrote: > I've hardly had a chance to keep up with the list for awhile now, for > which I apologize. The Carnegie thing caught my attention; good luck to > all who are performing, sorry I can't be there to share the fun. > > However, the following post from Mack did catch my eye, and I felt > compelled to respond. > > "Shitting on her fans"?! Just because she can't attend? And this makes > her lyrics "hypocritical"? Say what?! > > I'm sorry, this attitude really crosses the line for me. In the first > place, who the hell knows her life, how she is, what she's doing, etc? > How can anyone presume that she "owes" her fans her presence at this > one particular event? > > Secondly, why on earth would Joni want to come in order to appease > fans with an attitude like this? > > Sorry for the rant. > > - Fred > > > "mack watson-bush" wrote: > Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman > > Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with > praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an > event and > meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes > much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her > right > not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? > I > suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. > For > all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses > the line > when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some > crappy music, along with the great work. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:35:58 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman Hi All..... It's funny... tonight I logged in to show my sister and nephew the invitation for the get together prior to the tribute. While searching for Julius's post I saw the numerous posts with the subject line: Sad news from Sam Feldman. I sort of dropped to the chair and opened Julius's post..."oh no", my heart sank. Dramatic? This was my first reaction and now three thirty in the morning I still feel the same way. (now hours later...into drafts this went ) But...yes...the show does go on...but I won't be there...not that you care. I'll be with Mack...(this is news to him)...we will listen to some of her crappola... JUST KIDDING! No...I still love joni....always will. But let's be real honest here..I was sort of pissed when she bailed. But then..did she baill? ( Actually..should it be bale? ) Her name was never mentioned or written anywhere that she would be attending..much less performing. Mack is very honest...that was his gut reaction...so he had the honesty to post it. It's okay to get mad every once in a great while...even healthy I think. (You will always be number one to me) And Mack won't even be there...he was sad for us who will. And Julius....you are too grand for words... I'm still not at a hundred percent that she won't be there...we'll see very soon now. Bree >Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with >praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an event >and >meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes >much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her right >not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? I >suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. For >all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses the >line >when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some >crappy music, along with the great work. > >mack ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:42:02 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! Hi Fred.. Nothing to do with attitude....just venting. His venting stems from his deep disappointment.... his disappointment equals his admiration. We all go there sometimes. Bree > >I think Mack's just having a bad day. > >Jerry > >frednow@aol.com wrote: > > I've hardly had a chance to keep up with the list for awhile now, for > > which I apologize. The Carnegie thing caught my attention; good luck to > > all who are performing, sorry I can't be there to share the fun. > > > > However, the following post from Mack did catch my eye, and I felt > > compelled to respond. > > > > "Shitting on her fans"?! Just because she can't attend? And this makes > > her lyrics "hypocritical"? Say what?! > > > > I'm sorry, this attitude really crosses the line for me. In the first > > place, who the hell knows her life, how she is, what she's doing, etc? > > How can anyone presume that she "owes" her fans her presence at this > > one particular event? > > > > Secondly, why on earth would Joni want to come in order to appease > > fans with an attitude like this? > > > > Sorry for the rant. > > > > - Fred > > > > > > "mack watson-bush" wrote: > > Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman > > > > Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with > > praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an > > event and > > meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes > > much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her > > right > > not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? > > I > > suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. > > For > > all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses > > the line > > when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some > > crappy music, along with the great work. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 15:54:41 -0500 From: Wes Subject: Only Joni An apparently upset JMDL'er said: <> Personally, Joni could slug me with a bat and I'd still praise her. I might be black and blue while doing it, but I'll praise just the same (Nowadays a woman has to haul off and hit a man*). As much as I love her and her work, and I'm just as dedicated as anyone on this list, I think some of her fans are a little over the top. I am not speaking of anyone on this list in particular, but just in general. If I was an artist with such an adoring following, I would probably want to keep a little distance, if for nothing else but just to maintain my sanity and privacy. Keep in mind that a slew of negative reactions (especially for her inability to attend an event she had no prior plans to anyway) could very well threaten the possibility of her ever getting back out into the public arena (pun intended). My two cents, Wes *-Capt. Beefheart NP: Genesis - Selling England ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 13:01:54 -0800 (PST) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Re: Shitting on her fans?! Mack, I'm guessing you were feeling disappointed and angry because your need to know that Joni appreciates and reciprocates all the adoration she receives from her fans was not being met when you wrote your post. Is that somewhere in the ballpark? In actuality, who knows what might be preventing Joni from attending? "Shitting on her fans" is a pretty harsh judgement to arrive at with so little specific information available. Also, we do know she's a polio survivor, and what anyone who knows one (or is one) can tell you is that many of them are having increasing health difficulties as they reach their 50s and 60s. Joni has mentioned in many interviews over the years that one of the main reasons she stopped touring is the grueling pain that travel can mean for her. One of her polio-related symptoms, for instance, is that the sudden variations in temperature easily experienced going in and out of airports, hotels, concert halls, and getting in and out of limos and planes can cause debilitating pain that can take quite a while to recover from. As for the presumption of arrogance, Joni has also been the first to share with us the perils of her own ego, and the full spectrum of her own insecurities and moments of supreme confidence -- "Puffed up and strutting when I think I win/Down and shaken when I think I lose." (DJRD) Joni has produced such an impactful, remarkably profound body of work that it is no more conceivable that the day "when there is no praise" will come in her lifetime or the next several hundred years than, say, Duke Ellington or Bob Dylan. Finally, "has produced some crappy music" is just a cheap shot -- and points, of course, to Mack's understandable disappointment more than anything -- but if you're going to crititque the work of any artist fairly, much less someone of Joni's undeniable stature, a little more substantive, thoughtful language is really in order, isn't it? Regardless of her work or what she's said in lyrics or elsewhere, Joni is a real, live human being, with real, live human circumstances, difficulties and, probably sometimes, some very tough decisions to make -- just like the rest of us. In the absence of any information about why she's not attending, there's no need to jump to negative conclusions. J "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: I think Mack's just having a bad day. Jerry frednow@aol.com wrote: > I've hardly had a chance to keep up with the list for awhile now, for > which I apologize. The Carnegie thing caught my attention; good luck to > all who are performing, sorry I can't be there to share the fun. > > However, the following post from Mack did catch my eye, and I felt > compelled to respond. > > "Shitting on her fans"?! Just because she can't attend? And this makes > her lyrics "hypocritical"? Say what?! > > I'm sorry, this attitude really crosses the line for me. In the first > place, who the hell knows her life, how she is, what she's doing, etc? > How can anyone presume that she "owes" her fans her presence at this > one particular event? > > Secondly, why on earth would Joni want to come in order to appease > fans with an attitude like this? > > Sorry for the rant. > > - Fred > > > "mack watson-bush" wrote: > Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad news from Sam Feldman > > Now why would anyone want to go to Carnegie Hall and be lavished with > praise? Why would anyone want to be the guest of honor at such an > event and > meet persons that admire them? I can't imagine. Bad form Joni. Makes > much of her words in her music rather hypocritical. Then again, her > right > not to go. Some day there will be no praise and what will she do then? > I > suppose at that time we will find out how secure she is in her flesh. > For > all her protestations and proclamations to/about others she crosses > the line > when shitting on her fans. And just for the record she has put out some > crappy music, along with the great work. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:15:33 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Sad News From Sam Feldman I'm sorry to hear that she won't be attending next month's tribute. She has turned down many, many projects. The only reason the "MINGUS" project got done was persistence on his part. How many years did The Chieftains ask her to help them with "The Magdelene Laundries" before she said "yes?" So, I guess I'm saying, don't feel too discouraged about being turned down. You have lots of talented company. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 21:26:12 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Was: Re: Carnegie Tribute: Now The Chieftains I'm still wondering whether she will/wont be in attendance. I am (for your sakes) hoping she will. I'm not even going and I feel slightly miffed. But then again... I'd like to know that maybe this time it'll give her the performing bug and want to get up and do a mini tour... perhaps to london.... But I was wondering about the Chieftains thing... I think it was pure accident that she worked with the Chieftains on 'Laundries' mainly because of the Tokyo concert where the nature of the beast was for all the established musicians to work with each other and with Japanese musicians, it just so happened that the Chieftains were there on the same bill and Joni had a song with that part of Irish history... I think she was slightly worried about working with them on the night, or dubious that they'd want to work with her on such a sensitive subject but it was they who wanted to work with her on it. I think the recording came later. I guess... On 21/01/06, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > I'm sorry to hear that she won't be attending next month's tribute. She has > turned down many, many projects. The only reason the "MINGUS" project got > done was persistence on his part. How many years did The Chieftains ask her > to help them with "The Magdelene Laundries" before she said "yes?" > > So, I guess I'm saying, don't feel too discouraged about being turned down. > You have lots of talented company. > > Jim > - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 17:06:20 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: "Celebrating the Music of Joni Mitchell... One other thing I wanted to add, on a positive note: I am so insufferably proud of Joni for her philanthropy for the sake of children all over the world this year! Not lost on me in my disappointment over her declining to appear at Carnegie is the fact that, geez, like millions will be earned for the Music for Youth cause. It's a benefit, stupid! That's what I have to remind myself. I can congratulate Joni and her management for that. And I do. Add to that the contributions to the Warchild Foundation for war-torn kids that resulted from her donation of a painting, which was then fashioned into a beautiful holiday card. Lots of money for a great cause, and the cards themselves are priceless. I'm bringing a gross of them to handout in New York. Hope she does a new card next year! I'll buy that for a dollar! Still more, if I were a Sonya Kitchell, wunderkind and Starbucks cash-calf, I'd be pleased as punch to have my name even mentioned in the breath as a Joni Mitchell! Not to mention having my name plastered next to her beautiful self-portrait for the world to see for months! Talk about prestige by association, Joni's doing all artists appearing at Carnegie Hall that night a huge, solid favor, I think. Without ever even setting foot on stage again. I think Joni's management figured that part out and figured: "Hey, what the feck? We didn't sign on for all that!" Joni probably said to herself: I'll just stay home with my canvas and palette in Bel Air. I've got art to do. Georgia O'Keeffe wouldn't put down her brush for pomp like this. Why should I?" But who knows? By now my love for her body of work is pretty much unconditional. What's that line from "Brokeback Mountain": "I wish I knew how to quit you, Joni!" But alas, I cannot. Never will. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: to be (at Carnegie Hall) or not to be; that is the question.... greetings and salutations from the Canadian Prairie ;-) I'm still, deep in the land of lurk, up to my vocal chords in all things musical there in the Peg (going to a house concert tonight, then megga giggage next Sunday lallaaa) anywaaaay.....Ive also just resubbed to the list, and am WAY behind, however, all this talk about Joni in NYC has given us lots to ponder........ I agree with Cassy, I think that Joan's management has gracefully declined the invite to the private party....and that does not mean that she's not going to be at the event...or does it? Who knows? Isnt it exciting to be that child again; fill your heart with wonder, at the possibility. ;-) hey I think it's cool of him to respond, period. Tres cool Anyway....I know that Joni has surprised her lovely fans before...for instance, when Joni attended the Hommage in Toronto a few years back, many of us sat there in a state of happyshock that Joni, after 30 years, sat down at the piano and PLAYED! A gorgeous soundscape filled with heartsoul expressions...yea and she said she was a bit rusty :-) I will not soon forget that moment, and I know that there were jmdlers who were a lot closer to the stage , who could give their own sweet memories of that moment. I can still here Steve Polifka calling out to her...Joni! Play the piano! And she did...ah, the power of adoring fans ;-) hiya Steve..... All I'm saying is, don't give up hope, and hey, while Im at it....a gentle reminder here, let's not jump the bones of someone who is doing what we all do, expressing our opinions/disappointment and so on, perhaps things would be different had we been in Mack's room, watching his comments within the context of his intentions/meaning. ..see here's the thing....manohman, we love her so much, sometimes words are the only vehicle that we have to express all that Joan means to us. The sound track of our life....or something like that ;-) I just finished re~reading the short story, Brokeback Mountain...and will try to write something about that soon. I wish I had read it prior to knowing about the film itself. I know Annie Proulx' writing well (Shipping News) and I have feelings about short stories in general, and this one in particular. I'm finding it difficult to separate the short story from the big screen story, and I havent even seen it. and speaking of films....has anyone seen Munich? I cant wait to see that one too...soon, hopefully, if I can come up for aire sometime soon :-) anyway....glad to be baaaaack ;-)) Mags npimh: Lost Together, Blue Rodeo. Cassy wrote: << >...let's not jump the bones of someone who is doing what we all do... > Hi Magsie, Welcome back! Um, I don't know what it means to have one's "bones jumped" on the Canadian Prairie, but I'm pretty sure it means something *entirely* different down here... ;-) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 23:22:11 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute: Sad News from Sam Feldman May I please add my two cents worth of fussing a bit, too? (raising my hand politely) When "some random person" phoned last night to tell me that Joni would not be attending the Tribute, I gasped with intense disappointment. It was a stab in the heart. Oh no! This cannot be! In the past 24 hours, I think I have gone through the entire grief process (not the worst ever, of course, in the grand scheme of things -- just a mini grief process): denial, anger, bargaining, acceptance. (I think I missed one stage -- what can it be?). I see something of those dualing (dueling?) emotions in all the posts here today. (".....my friends were calling up all day yesterday All emotions and abstractions It seems we all live so close to that line and so far from satisfaction....") Then again, maybe I'm *not* truly at the acceptance stage yet, because I think maybe some of you are correct in that she is only declining to attend the cafe party; maybe when she sees Julius's kind and beautifully-worded first-class invitation she will change her mind, or consider it for the first time, or reconsider, or whatever. And *certainly* there is hope that when she sees the elevator picture she will remember the beautiful man with the ruby in his ear and say to herself: "Yes! I'd still like to see him sometime, I'd still like to see him..." Or -- as I brighten up like a neon light -- maybe she just needs a ticket! That's it! I'll give her my tickets!!! ; ) "We can never know about the days to come But we think about them anyway, yay" (I know, that's CS, not JM) But, to be more serious, as she told us herself: People will tell you where they've been They'll tell you where to go But until you get there yourself You never really know. We don't know what's up with her these days, and she deserves her privacy, of course. But damn it, I still wish she would come (there's my both sides now). But for sure, it will be a wonderful night in the city, and I so look forward to meeting everyone. How many more days, Laura? Love, Patti P., trying to accept the changes, at least better than I used to do P.S. Julius, thanks for sharing that CSN song with us. I love that one! (And how cool would it be if some of THEM showed up?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 16:06:38 -0800 (PST) From: mags h Subject: Re: to be (at Carnegie Hall) or not to be; that is the question.... ;-))) hey my cherished friend... thought that might get your attention.... thanks for the welcome back Julius; just like Dorothy said .... anyway.... I am enjoying your most eloquent writing, as per usual :-) love, Magsie watching the white flags of winter chimneys against a gorgeous indigo Prairie Skye. np:32 Flavours ;-)) JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: magsie_h@yahoo.com writes: >...let's not jump the bones of someone who is doing what we all do... Hi Magsie, Welcome back! Um, I don't know what it means to have one's "bones jumped" on the Canadian Prairie, but I'm pretty sure it means something *entirely* different down here... ;-) - -Julius let us go then you and i ~t.s.eliot~ - --------------------------------- What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! 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