From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #16 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 17 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 016 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- COUNT DOWN [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: Golden Reggie/Hejira [Patti Witten ] Golden Reggie [J Kendel Johnson ] MLK Jr. Day [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: MLK Jr. Day ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Joni Tribute 'Surprise Guests!' ["Kate Bennett" ] Paul Meyer-Strom wins VIP ticket ["Les Irvin" ] RE: Jokes in Joni songs ["Les Irvin" ] =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[NortheastJonifest]=A0=20Post=20tribute=20 p?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?lans=20-=20more=20about=20seppi's?= [] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #15 [Jahida Jorganes ] Re: joni carnegie, meet up ["Donna Binkley" ] Re: Paul Meyer-Strom wins VIP ticket ["Donna Binkley" ] Discovered Joni because people say I sound like her ["Rachael Byrnes" Subject: Re: Golden Reggie/Hejira > I vaguely remember at the time "Hejira" was released there was some mention > of Canadian figure skater Toller Cranston. I can't remember if he was Golden > Reggie, or he was the skater in the cover photo posed with the bride, or both. > Anyway... if he was I'm sure Joni realizes by now that his is a raging > homosexual...tossing that out there if anyone cares to chew on it! Seriously, I'm sure many straight women chased "golden reggies." I know I did. The ironies and symbolism are universal. Love is love, both terrible and beautiful. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:25:13 -0800 (PST) From: J Kendel Johnson Subject: Golden Reggie Hello, all. Bit of a lurker here. I was a member years ago, then resubscribed to the list just a few days ago. Thought I would offer my two-cents worth on "Golden Reggie" I've always assumed Joni was employing the specific memory (that Sharon probably also shared, though not necessarily) of a "golden boy"  a la the high school quarter back or equivalently attractive young man with local star quality that all the girls drooled over  in a brilliantly abbreviated two-word word painting that instantly communicates an image and circumstance that resonates with anyones memories of the romantic pains and triumphs of adolescence. (Chasing also referring to both literal and daydreamed attempts to land the affections of ones beloved.) I've also always assumed that, in keeping with overall Joni language and imagery, "Reggie" was a reference to the Latin root "reg", meaning "king"  again, in this case, the most admired and sought after boy in town, school, etc., owing to his social status, physical beauty, athletic prowess and/or other charms. I dont remember too much specifically about the Reggie character from the Archies, but, since Im guessing he also fits in that desirable adolescent boy category, a double reference to the Reggie of The Archies is almost inescapable, given Jonis age and that of her audience  and her many other references to teenie bopper culture from the 50s and early 60s. Hence, the reference is both timeless  Latin Reg  American pop culture specific, and entirely personal. Just the sort of deceptively rich depth of writing that caused David Crosby to declare Joni the Shakespeare of our times. Romanticizing an elusive beloved as her "king" is, of course, a motif Joni begins with in her very first song on JM  I had a king in a tenement castle. Peace, J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:54:47 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: MLK Jr. Day My mother reminded me of this poem I wrote a decade ago. Thought I'd share: MLK Jr. Day We got the message of love he sent And we've read all Hope's Testament Will we still dare to raise our heads? So long unbowed. So we've bled. These unlocked chains don't mean we're free. Our stardust ain't cosmology. Yet, celebrate! Sisters and brothers, we can! Our time has come! This Is Our Land! We'll pity those Who are not so blessed-- Reaching for more, Grasping far less. When our souls' treasures give account Nothing of this world is paramount. - -Julius Happy Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, everyone. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:58:20 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: MLK Jr. Day This is a lovely poem Julius, thank you for sharing it. Pacifica was playing a recording of his I Have A Dream speech on it's local Houston radio station this morning and I enjoyed it on the way to work. I love public radio, it is the only station that plays any Joni around here. db >>> 1/16/2006 8:54:47 AM >>> My mother reminded me of this poem I wrote a decade ago. Thought I'd share: MLK Jr. Day We got the message of love he sent And we've read all Hope's Testament Will we still dare to raise our heads? So long unbowed. So we've bled. These unlocked chains don't mean we're free. Our stardust ain't cosmology. Yet, celebrate! Sisters and brothers, we can! Our time has come! This Is Our Land! We'll pity those Who are not so blessed-- Reaching for more, Grasping far less. When our souls' treasures give account Nothing of this world is paramount. - -Julius Happy Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, everyone. Peace. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:43:53 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute 'Surprise Guests!' Croz & Nash (just a wild guess) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:58:53 -0600 From: "J.DAVID SAPP" Subject: Re: joni carnegie, meet up ///I will be arriving at Park Central Hotel at around 2:30 p.m. on Feb. = 1.=20 I will be happy to meet with yall before the show for coffee and chatting./// I will be arriving at Park Central Hotel at around 1;30 - so look me up peace, david No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.19/231 - Release Date: 1/16/06 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:28:07 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Paul Meyer-Strom wins VIP ticket Joniphiles - Thanks to all who donated to the fundraiser for Music For Youth. Over $400 has been raised. Paul Meyer-Strom is the lucky winner in the drawing for the VIP ticket to the tribute at Carnegie Hall. Thanks again to all the contributors! Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:42:01 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: RE: Jokes in Joni songs >Joni's terrific sense of humour as revealed in her songs. One of my favorite "humorous" lines is this from A Case of You: And I said "Constantly in the darkness Where's that at? If you want me I'll be in the bar" I've always read this as a clever bit of irony on Joni's part - first judging him for hanging out in the darkness then saying, in effect "you can find me hanging out in a dark corner of the bar". Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:05:14 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20[NortheastJonifest]=A0=20Post=20tribute=20 p?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?lans=20-=20more=20about=20seppi's?= Please add Alison and her sister Nicole, to the rsvp list for Seppi's, Patrick. I'm almost certain they'll want to join in. Thanks! - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:18:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jahida Jorganes Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #15 Hey everyone!! I would like to be put into the reservation for the restaurant afterwards as well. I have a class the next day, but hey, I can sleep for the whole 6 hour ride right? I am so incredibly excited and I have been telling all of my friends at school today (first day back for classes). I can't wait to meet all of you! Jahida - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:49:18 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: joni carnegie, meet up Sounds good I'll do that! db >>> "J.DAVID SAPP" 1/16/2006 10:58:53 AM >>> ///I will be arriving at Park Central Hotel at around 2:30 p.m. on Feb. 1. I will be happy to meet with yall before the show for coffee and chatting./// I will be arriving at Park Central Hotel at around 1;30 - so look me up peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 13:49:51 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Paul Meyer-Strom wins VIP ticket Congratulations Paul! Can't wait to meet you. db >>> "Les Irvin" 1/16/2006 11:28:07 AM >>> Joniphiles - Thanks to all who donated to the fundraiser for Music For Youth. Over $400 has been raised. Paul Meyer-Strom is the lucky winner in the drawing for the VIP ticket to the tribute at Carnegie Hall. Thanks again to all the contributors! Les ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:14:54 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: "Joni: Back to the Garden" Video interview with Joni Mitchell wherein she discusses "Woodstock" for the 'Millennium Project.' Quite interesting in the context of the events of the day. http://www.oriononline.org/pages/oo/millennium/Mitchell/mitchell_56.html - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:10:21 -0500 From: "Frank Clay" Subject: Interested in Tickets for The Music of Joni Mitchell To Whom It May Concern: I am interested in a pair of tickets, if they become available, to the concert "The music of Joni Mitchell" at Carnegie Hall, I would truly love to attend this event. My contact information is listed below or e-mail at this address. Thank You, Frank Clay Simply Birkenstock PO Box 130 New Hampton, NH 03256 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:28:32 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Interested in Tickets for The Music of Joni Mitchell Frank, I'm assuming you've contacted the box office, etc. and they're telling you that nothing is available. There's a pair up on ebay if you're interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/Joni-Mitchell-A-tribute-concert-benefit-NY-2-01-2006_W0QQitemZ6597408002QQcategoryZ16122QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Good luck pal! Bob aka "Whom it may concern" NP: Suzanne Vega, "Some Journey" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos  Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and well bind it! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:49:17 -0700 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Volunteer needed at JoniMitchell.com Hi folks - I'm looking for a volunteer to do an internet research project for the new JoniMitchell.com site: 1) Tracking down song lyrics. 2) Tracking down album cover graphics. 3) Familiarity with on-line web forms a plus. If interested, please email me off list. Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:08:10 +1100 From: "Rachael Byrnes" Subject: Discovered Joni because people say I sound like her Hello Joni Fans, I'm new to this list so I thought I would introduce myself! My name is Rachael and I'm a singer/songwriter from Melbourne and of course a great Joni Mitchell fan! I always knew of Joni Mitchell but only recently started to listen to her because many people have said to me that I sound like her, or that my music reminds them of hers. After listening to a few of her early albums I decided that these comparisons were far to kind! I think she is brilliant. Sometimes it's frustrating when people say this to me because I want to have my own identity, but it's also flattering. Maybe you might like to listen and let me know what you think? I have too songs on my site that you can download for free if your interested. www.rachaelbyrnes.blogspot.com I'm currently studying jazz and contemporary music, so Joni, with her explorations in folk, jazz and fusion music is a real inspiration to me. Look forward to future discussions Best wishes Rachael Byrnes ______________________________ Rachael Byrnes rachbyrnes@hotmail.com Proudly endorsing Downshifting Downunder http://www.downshifting.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:35:52 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Dr. King - "A Dream Deferred" it's Important! to note ... seventy-seven years ago, on January 15, 1929 ... the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was born. America is a better country today because of that fact. too bad Amerika no longer seems to care. the dream remains UnFulfilled! apparently deferred ... A DREAM DEFERRED by Langston Hughes What Happens To A Dream Deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore -- And then run? Does it stink like a rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over -- like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. OR DOES IT EXPLODE? (p) 1959 sameasiteverwas, - --------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:36:12 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Dr. King, Not! a dreamer JONI MITCHELL: "They kill people who give hope in this culture." DUBBED PLACID, KING's MILITANT VOICE IS REVEALED By Maynard Eaton All too often the media, political leaders and too many historians miscast and misrepresent Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. as merely a placid, non-confrontational civil rights advocate who was content to focus on integration. The world has been duped into believing that the essence of Dr. King's message and mission is embodied in his "I Have A Dream" speech. While that marketing ploy and characterization of Dr. King's work and wizardry has made him a palatable folk hero, it has also skewed the substance of the King saga. That personification fails to recognize how this charismatic leader emerged as such a threat to America's economic interests he had to be eliminated. Those who worked with and marched with Dr. King say image-makers are attempting to sanitize this African-American icon. "Dr. King was a radical revolutionary," opines Georgia State Representative Tyrone Brooks, formerly the national field director for the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. "White America is trying to change the image of King so that our children and unborn generations will not view the real King that we knew. Dr. King was not someone who walked around dreaming all the time. Dr. King was an activist and a true revolutionary." "He was always militant," says former SCLC President Dr. Joseph Lowery of King. "Anybody who talks about staying off the buses and challenging folk to walk is militant. Talking about public accommodations and the denial of the voting rights; all that is militant. He was dynamically and actively militantly non-violent." Brooks contends that Dr. King was assassinated because he was about to redirect the civil rights movement into another dimension -- economic parity. "White America decided that this man has certainly been a catalyst in bringing about social change in terms of desegregation and voting rights, but now this man is talking about altering the way America does business and talking about a redistribution of American wealth to the poor and the disenfranchised," Brooks said. "It really upset America." Says Dr. Lowery of the discernable shift in Dr. King's thinking and leadership; "The movement moved away from the customer side of the lunch counter to the cash register side. People who were willing to deal with segregation and busing and lunch counters were not quite ready to deal with economic integration. And so he died. They didn't care about niggas riding the bus, but when you talk about owning the banks and dividing the pie up, that's another proposition. You're talking about a seat at the economic table and even today there is pretty stiff resistance [to that]." During the first decade of the civil rights movement, Martin Luther King, Jr. had been hesitant to become involved in other political issues, for fear of weakening the cause for racial justice. By 1967, however in a speech at Riverside Church in New York City that many considered momentous, he declared his opposition to the Vietnam War. That speech; that moment amounted to a paradigm shift for the movement and the man. "Peace and civil rights don't mix, [people] say," Dr. King said. "Aren't you hurting the cause of your people, they ask. And when I hear them, although I often understand the source of their concern, I am nevertheless greatly saddened, for such questions mean that the inquirers have not really known me, my commitment or my calling." "I knew that America would never invest the necessary funds or energies in rehabilitation of its poor so long as Vietnam continued to draw men and skills and money like some demonic, destructive suction tube," Dr. King continued. "So I was increasingly compelled to see the war as an enemy of the poor and to attack it as such? We were taking the young Black men who had been crippled by our society and sending them 8,000 miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia, which they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Harlem." Both Lowery and Brooks say that after that controversial speech, Black and White America took a different view of King. "The war was about economics as well as humanness," Dr. Lowery argues. "Martin said 'the bombs that explode in Vietnam in the '60s will explode in our economy in the '70s and '80s.' And, it did." "[Dr. King] was roundly criticized by all the establishment Black leadership. They all condemned Dr. King for that speech," Rep. Brooks recalls. "They said he'd gone too far and that the movement ought not get involved with foreign affairs. King said look at the amount of money that is coming out the American taxpayers' pocket, including Black people, that's financing this war. After that speech, you saw the anti-war movement really grow, young, White liberals and other civil rights leaders got on board. So, the King speech at Riverside Church laid the foundation for that overwhelming American response which said the war must end now." Brooks said it is most important and ultimately tragic that people began to see Dr. King as just a civil rights leader who would focus on domestic policy, not as an international, global leader. Hopefully future generations will recognize that his deeds and his direction include far more than just his dream of integration. sameasiteverwas, - --------------------- simon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:37:13 -0500 From: simon@icu.com Subject: 'HOW LONG?' (PostOpinion) New York Post Jan. 16, 2006 'HOW LONG?' Martin Luther King's speech at the zenith of the civil-rights movement. On March 25, 1965, in Montgomery, beneath the dome of Alabama's capitol, Martin Luther King Jr. spoke to thousands of voting-rights marchers whom he had led 54 miles from Selma, over five days, under federal protection. In Montgomery, nearly 10 years earlier, the King-led bus boycott broke a crucial barrier of segregation. Rosa Parks, who sparked the boycott, also addressed the throng. As once before at the March On Washington, but never again in King's lifetime, cameras from every network transmitted the full speech nationwide. In the new book "At Canaan's Edge," last in his trilogy about King and the civil rights era, Pulitzer Prize-winner Taylor Branch captures King's power, spirit and passion at the conclusion of a landmark speech. -- The Editors By Taylor Branch Martin Luther King Jr. emphasized the stakes of historical choice when the south imposed segregation. "We've come a long way since that travesty of justice was perpetrated on the American mind," he told the rally. "James Weldon Johnson put it eloquently. He said: "We have come over a way that with tears has been watered, We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered" The crowd fell silent as King touched bottom. Whatever had created segregation from slavery, both durable beyond the life span of totalitarian inventions since, he looked unflinching at the consequences. Far from crafting artificial comfort for white listeners, he was quoting the middle stanza of the accepted "Negro National Anthem" -- a portion of Johnson's "Lift Every Voice and Sing" that recalled degradation too harshly for many slave descendants themselves. Often omitted from performance, that stanza evoked formless ghosts of the ancient Middle Passage into slavery, with sharp echoes more recently from the eras of lynching and Civil War. Outside Fort Pillow, Tenn., where his Confederates massacred surrendered Black troops, Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest has written straightforwardly in his battle report: "The river was dyed red with the blood of the slaughtered for 200 yards." The wife of the white Union commander interceded with Abraham Lincoln on behalf of fresh sister widows who, as fugitive chattel under state laws, had no more rights to veterans' benefits than did animals or furniture, and Congress, answering Lincoln's proposal to treat ex-slave orphans and widows "as though their marriages were legal" granted family status to Negroes by law passed on July 2, 1864, a century to the day ahead of the Civil Rights Act that abolished segregation in the summer before Selma. King's mood snapped forward: "Today I want to tell the city of Selma." "Tell 'em, now," came a shout. "Today I want to say to the state of Alabama. "Yes sir." "Today I want to say to the people of America, and the nations of the world, that we are not about to turn around. We are on the move now. Yes, we are on the move, and no wave of racism can stop us." Yes, sir." "We are on the move now. And the burning of our churches will not deter us. We are on the move now . . ." His voice rose steadily in pitch as he pictured an inexorable move through obstacle and sacrifice, then shifted his drumbeat phrase to a march. "Let us march on segregated housing," King intoned. "Let us march on segregated schools, until . . . Let us march on poverty, until . . . Let us march on ballot boxes, until we send men . . . who will not fear to 'do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly with thy God.' " After embellishing the march on ballot boxes seven times near the peak of his baritone register, King slowed to give respite. "There is nothing wrong with marching in this sense," he said." The Bible tells us that the mighty men of Joshua merely walked about the walled city of Jericho, and the barriers for freedom came tumbling down." He quoted words of the slave spiritual slowly and intimately in dialect, "just as they were given to us: "Joshua fit the battle of Jericho Joshua fit the battle of Jericho . . . Go blow dem ram horns, Joshua cried, Cause de battle am in my hand." King asked his listeners to honor the "unknown, long gone Black bard" with a worthy reply. The battle is in our hands," he said. "We can answer with creative nonviolence the call to higher ground." He lifted up personal memories of Montgomery's bus boycott as "wondrous signs of our times, so full of hope . . . the faces so bright," and added to the answering roll the names of martyrs down to Jimmie Lee Jackson and James Reeb. "The patter of their feet . . . is the thunder of the marching men of Joshua, and the world rocks beneath their tread," he sang out solemnly. "My people, my people, listen. The battle is in our hands." King paused briefly, having run out of prepared text. He improvised first to answer persistent appeals by critics and bystanders for an end to troubling agitation. He rejected their rhetorical image of prior tranquility, saying normalcy had shrugged off brutal terror and merely frowned over bombed churches. "It is normalcy all over Alabama that prevents the Negro from becoming a registered voter," he said. His distinctive, anguished voice heated the word "normalcy" into an improbably engine of speech momentum, fired 15 times over 10 sentences. "The only normalcy that we will settle for is the normalcy that allows judgment to run down like waters and righteousness like a might stream," King shouted, transposing the prophet Amos. He rushed on from memory to make three final appeals for nonviolence in the struggle to build "a society at peace with itself," then spoke to yearnings within. "I know you are asking today, how long will it take?" he confessed. "Somebody's asking, how long will prejudice blind the visions . . . Somebody's asking . . . " Only then did King let loose words that would be remembered from the zenith of the freedom movement. Inside the capitol, Gov. George Wallace watched three television sets and peeked at the future electorate through an aide's window blinds, so as not to be seen shuttered in his own office. Outside, King's presentation cut across tender seams of comfort and color among his own sympathizers -- too black in tone, too nonviolent, too dark and in warning from Reconstruction history against another slow erosion of hope. "How long will justice be crucified and truth buried?" King cried out in Montgomery. "I come to say to you this afternoon, however difficult the moment, however frustrating the hour, it will not be long. Because truth crushed to earth will rise again. How Long? Not Long! Because no lie can live forever. How long? Not long! Because you shall reap what you sow. How long?" Already shouts echoed and anticipated his refrain at a driving pace, above cries of encouragement and a low roar of anticipation. "Not long!" "Not Long!" answered a female voice above the others. " 'Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne,' " he recited in passion from the poet James Russell Lowell. "Yet that scaffold sways the future and Behind the dim unknown stands God Within the shadow, keeping watch above his own" "How long" Not long! Because the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. How long? Not long!" "Because mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord. He is tramping out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored. He has loosed the fateful lightning of his terrible swift sword. His truth is marching on." King kept on at a gallop, through another stanza of the "Battle Hymn," He slowed only to hurl himself into selected words, trembling at the limit, and to climb still higher through a spoken chorus. "He has sounded forth the trumpet that shall never call retreat He is sifting out the hearts of men before his judgment seat Oh, be swift my soul to answer him, be jubilant my feet Out God is marching on Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Hallelujah! Glory! Hallelujah!" Crown noise dropped away until this third cannon cry of "Glory," then spilled over the end of the long march. "Glory! Hallelujah! His truth is marching on!" - ---------------------------------- Taylor Branch's books include: "Parting The Waters: America In The King Years 1954-1963," which won the Pulitzer Price for history http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0671687425/qid=1137469723/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/ 002-4447866-6182460?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 "Pillar Of Fire: America In The King Years 1963-1965." http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684808196/qid=1137469723/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/ 002-4447866-6182460?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 Excerpted from: "At Canaan's Edge: America In The King Years 1965-1968 by Taylor Branch. ) 2006 by Taylor Branch. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/068485712X/qid=1137469723/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/ 002-4447866-6182460?s=books&v=glance&n=283155 andmoreagain, - ----------------- simon PS: the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #16 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? 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