From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2006 #2 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 3 2006 Volume 2006 : Number 002 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Covers, Volume 72 - The 70's in 2006 [JoniPD ] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 72 - The 70's in 2006 [Catherine McKay ] Volume 72, Part 1 (Uno for Emiliano) [Bob Muller ] Covers 72, Part 2 (Dos) [Bob Muller ] Re: Joni concert and Happy New Year [Bobsart48@aol.com] Joni Covers #72 Part 3 (Tres) [Bob Muller ] Re: Covers 72, Part 2 (Dos) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 (Tres) [JoniPD ] Re: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 (Tres) [Catherine McKay ] Circle Game (not a JMDL view) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Circle Game (not a JMDL view) [vince ] Re: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 / Now Doing Dumb Things with Joni's Lyrics [Sm] Re: Circle Game (not a JMDL view) ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Now Doing Great Things with Joni's Lyrics [Bob Muller ] RE: Circle Game [Catherine McKay ] Re: Anna Nalik ["Donna Binkley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:20:05 +0100 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 72 - The 70's in 2006 Hi, Bob! Happy Brand New Year!!! Many Many thanks for your efforts!!! unfortunately, I'm always late on this... The link doesn't work no more... Could any of the kind members who've already got it upload it again, please? Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano NP: Jeffrey Foucault: Northbound 35 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 10:06:56 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 72 - The 70's in 2006 Unfortunately, it's not just you, Emiliano. I got this message: >File Transfer: Unavailable >Unfortunately, the link you have clicked is not available. > >The file has most likely exceeded its allotted bandwidth or has >been removed by the original sender or a recipient. I hope that doesn't mean Muller has to upload it again. I can imagine how long that might take. :-( - --- JoniPD wrote: > Hi, Bob! > > Happy Brand New Year!!! > > Many Many thanks for your efforts!!! > > unfortunately, I'm always late on this... > > The link doesn't work no more... > Could any of the kind members who've already got it > upload it again, please? > > Have a Wonderful time! > Emiliano > > NP: Jeffrey Foucault: Northbound 35 > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 07:30:46 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 72 - The 70's in 2006 OK, I may have to try it again, and break it up into three 7-song sets. It might have exceeded the bandwidth or something. Thanks for letting me know. Bob NP: Genesis, "Turn It On Again" (appropriate since that's what I have to do!) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:01:38 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Anna Nalik Why won't anyone tell me what they think about Anna Nalik's "Wreck of the Day"? Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:32:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Volume 72, Part 1 (Uno for Emiliano) Tracks 1-7: http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0IR7LKIZC2MJC228LJ7280WZJL Bob NP: The Beastie Boys, "High Plains Drifter" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 08:52:20 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Covers 72, Part 2 (Dos) Tracks 8-14: http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0T22P4KF3EI2Q0634PA7WOVIAU - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:04:33 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni concert and Happy New Year Happy New Year to All of you JMDL'ers. I wish you all a healthy and happy (and hopefully more peaceful) new year. Been lurking most of last year, slipping out of touch for weeks at a time. My last look was on 12/6, so I am now 4 weeks behind. Seems I have paid the appropriate price, not learning about the Carnegie Hall concert until today. (Was able to pick up a couple of decent tickets anyway, but not VIP tickets.). Now I will have to read all the back digests, to find out what the deal is. Am I inferring correctly that Joni may be coming to this ? If so, would she be part of the pre-show reception ? I missed the TNT tribute even though I work right across the street - because I wasn't a JMDL'er yet. I guess there's no hope for some people. (Fool me twice, shame on me). I read an article a while back in the New Yorker (who'd've guessed ?) on Keren Ann - sounds like an interesting one. One chore that got done last week was converting our dining room into my music room. Hah ! Now I've got an upright, a couple of guitars, and an amp all in the same room - gotta take down that pseudo chandelier fixture, though - it's giving me a headache :-) Hope to see some of you on 2/1 - any plans / Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:21:06 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 (Tres) And here we have tracks 15-21...I'd appreciate knowing if this worked if someone has given the downloads a shot. http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2WKXP7MSAPKRG1KEQSFBPLHATI Bob NP: Wayne, "This Flight Tonight" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:31:31 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Covers 72, Part 2 (Dos) Thanks. I'm downloading these two now. I guess you were right - that the first file was too big. - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Tracks 8-14: > > > http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0T22P4KF3EI2Q0634PA7WOVIAU > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! Photos > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add > photos, events, holidays, whatever. > Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:34:32 +0100 From: JoniPD Subject: Re: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 (Tres) Bob Muller wrote: And here we have tracks 15-21...I'd appreciate knowing if this worked if someone has given the downloads a shot. http://s64.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2WKXP7MSAPKRG1KEQSFBPLHATI Bob NP: Wayne, "This Flight Tonight" Hi, Bob, !Muchas Gracias! It seems that everything's just fine, now: I've already got the first part of it. Some 30 minutes to complete the 2nd, and an hour or so to finish this: yippee! All these Both Sides Now are really sweet: a very nice companion to the remains of New Year's hangover, specially the Linda Myers one. Is just my copy of it or the A Case Of You is truncated at 44 seconds? D'oh! Oh yeah, Gaby Jordan gives her try... that's not a bad version, indeed: very well done... and yes the lyrics are soooo actual, snif. The Twisted cover gives me laughs: it's so damm funny. A treasure (a litle parodical, indeed) Chelsea Morning's Kate McGarry leaves me cold: very uninspired, imo. Many Thanks again! (I'm looking forward for the rest of it: four more Both Sides Now, wow!) Happily yours: Emiliano NP: Both Sides Now: Rev. Emile Guillette (oh, no, that's not his name!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:01:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 (Tres) - --- JoniPD wrote: > Is just my copy of it or the A Case Of You is > truncated at 44 seconds? My copy of ACoY is OK, but maybe something happened to yours in the transmission. Here's just that song: 04 Lauren Ireland-Gantous - A Case Of You.mp3 (6472 KB) If your email client does not accept HTML, please use this link to download your file: http://s55.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3RI1LYOPA5TXZ0NRBHSTGJ9P0A Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:34:47 +0200 From: "ron" Subject: Re: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 (Tres) hi >>>>bob wrote >>>>>>...I'd appreciate knowing if this worked if someone has given the >>>>>>downloads a shot. the original file worked fine for me - thanks bob ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 15:30:28 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Circle Game (not a JMDL view) Back when I was just entering my twenties I played & sang that song a lot... I hadn't heard it much in the years following so it wasn't something that had become old hat... then one night about 8 years ago I went to hear tom rush who I had not heard in decades (nor had I listened to joni's old material much since then)... when he sang the 'circle game' I just cried... with the realization that now I was hearing it from the point of view of the parent watching their child grow up, rather than the child growing up... hard to put that amazing emotional where did the time go experience into words but in spite of how often the song is covered, I do think it a remarkable song... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 18:46:56 -0500 From: vince Subject: Re: Circle Game (not a JMDL view) Kate Bennett wrote: > I do think it a >remarkable song... > > Not saying for what it is that it is not remarkable,. just woefully incomplete as a song written from a very limited perspective and it can be and ought to be so much more to fulfill its promise. The glass is not half empty, it is half full, and it could easily be full. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:00:43 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Joni Covers #72 Part 3 / Now Doing Dumb Things with Joni's Lyrics Catherine wrote: > Here's just that song: > > 04 Lauren Ireland-Gantous - A Case Of You Thanks, Catherine, but . . . Why, oh why must people change Joni's lyrics for lesser ones? "You taste so bitter, bittersweet." (HURL!) I'll bet ol' Lauren thought she was quite clever with that change, but it sucks, and it ruins, for me, an otherwise decent cover. This reminds me of another cover that is compromised, for me, not by changing the lyrics, but by mucking around with Joni's character's pronunciation of a word; in this case, the word 'Hiroshima'. Holly Near and Cris WIlliamson do a great, great cover of "The Tealeaf Prophecy," but then one or both of them must have said, "Oh, lookie, Joni says 'HiroSHEma' instead of 'HiROshima'. Let's fix it." Totally bush league, in my opinion, because Joni's presumedly American character from the '60s or '70s (watching 'The Johnny Carson Show', rather that "The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson', etc.) most likely would not have pronounced the Japanese word correctly; she would have pronounced it the same way everyone else did at the time: HiroSHEma. With her superior artistic sensitivity Joni understands how people really talk, and that's just one part of what makes her better at songwriting than anyone else. I am not saying that Joni's lyrics and pronunciation can't be dicked with, but if the change is less than the original, why bother -- except for ego or misguided political correctness or other stupid reasons. So much for my resolution not to rant in 2006 . . . - --Smurf PS: We should all be glad Muller is the covers guy and not I. I'd be calling up some of these clowns and yelling at them about the liberties they take with perfection. __________________________________________ Yahoo! DSL  Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:54:06 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Circle Game (not a JMDL view) Have to agree with Kate on this. I've sung The Circle Game hundreds of times, probably more than any other, and I find it is perfect for just any setting. I think the listener fills in the song with their own experiences, which is the genius of the lyric. Jerry vince wrote: > Kate Bennett wrote: > >> I do think it a >>remarkable song... >> >> > Not saying for what it is that it is not remarkable,. just woefully > incomplete as a song written from a very limited perspective and it can > be and ought to be so much more to fulfill its promise. The glass is > not half empty, it is half full, and it could easily be full. > > Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:26:54 -0500 From: vince Subject: Now Doing Great Things with Joni's Lyrics Smurf wrote: > I am not saying that Joni's lyrics and pronunciation can't be dicked > with, but if the change is less than the original, why bother -- > except for ego or misguided political correctness or other stupid reasons. So while I have transgressed on the lyrics issue already, I also personally never sing the sexist "time of man" in Woodstock and sing instead "time of humanity" and when I read Scripture lessons to the congregation on Sundays I make the same change and (I will get tossed from the JMDL for this :-) ...) Joni's lyrics are less sacred to me than Scripture. Other than David Mamet plays and Shakespeare which aren't sacred either but too perfect as is, a word change/lyric change/arrangement change is, to be, a sign that the singer is awake and has a personal investment in what they are doing rather than just being a revival band. Joni doesn't sing everything the same way, or with the same words, every time, there is revisionism with Handel's Messiah and Mozart's Requiem and everything else so 'dicking' (a word I wouldn't choose because the mental image is weird) with anything done with knowledge is worthwhile artist endeavor to me. Sometimes good, sometimes not, but what the hell. Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Now Doing Great Things with Joni's Lyrics Smurf, Like I always say..."I don't record 'em, I just collect 'em". That being said, the lyrical changes can grate on my nerves as well; I didn't mind the change of Hiroshima as much (although your point is an excellent one, Joni rarely misses a trick) because Near & Williamson did such a great job with the song and even DID IT in the first place. You'll really love Restoration's version of BSN. They were a cheesy Christian group from the 70's and they feel the need to embellish BSN with extra lines after each verse. For instance, after the first verse (the one about clouds for those of you who may not be familiar with the song) they add: "Jesus...took the clouds away Jesus...showed me how to pray" It is the height of cheesiness. Bob, also thinking that Handel's Messiah needs some revision, like let Ian & Sylvia compress it to a 5-minute piece or something NP: Cheap Trick, "Southern Girls" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:36:39 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Circle Game For me, the song is complete in that I feel it as a song, not about growing old, but about how childhood changes into adulthood... I don't know if I'd want to hear any more verses because it ends at about that point where we leave home, or our children leave us... to me it is a million time more potent as a parent than it ever was as a young adult "we can't return we can only look" ...bittersweet stuff > just woefully incomplete as a song written from a very limited perspective and it can be and ought to be so much more to fulfill its promise. The glass is not half empty, it is half full, and it could easily be full. Vince< ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 22:21:38 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Circle Game - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > For me, the song is complete in that I feel it as a > song, not about growing > old, but about how childhood changes into > adulthood... I don't know if I'd > want to hear any more verses because it ends at > about that point where we > leave home, or our children leave us... to me it is > a million time more > potent as a parent than it ever was as a young adult > "we can't return we can > only look" ...bittersweet stuff Can I ever relate to that. I see now that my kids aren't really kids anymore in so many ways. I notice it more with my son, who, at 15, is younger than my daughter, but she's quite small (only 4'11") whereas my son is taller than me, and he's a hairy brute - LOL! But Sarah, at 18, gets to vote in our upcoming election. They're certainly not my little babies anymore, and I do look back and remember them as babies, and I miss that. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2006 21:29:45 -0600 From: "Donna Binkley" Subject: Re: Anna Nalik Peep, As for me it's because I've been off line for a few days. I love Anna Nalick, this cd rocks! If you are wondering whether to get it, take the plunge, she has a great sound IMHO. db >>> Peep Richman 01/02/06 10:01 AM >>> Why won't anyone tell me what they think about Anna Nalik's "Wreck of the Day"? Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. 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