From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #357 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, December 18 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 357 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni at Carnegie Hall [Lori Fye ] For Free - Extra Verse [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni tribute [Garret ] imagery [LCStanley7@aol.com] Re: [Fwd: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g] [AsharaJM@aol.co] carnegie tickets [Zachary Scot Johnson ] Re: Joni Tribute concert ["Mark Scott" ] RE: Joni Tribute concert ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Answer: It's comin' on Christmas [Randy Remote ] Tribute concert [Garret ] Re: For Free - Extra Verse [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Making a list checking it twice... ["Bree Mcdonough" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 22:08:55 -0800 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: Joni at Carnegie Hall Julius wrote: > If you live anywhere near NYC don't dare miss this. You just > might live to regret it, Coyote. Much as I would love to attend, I won't be there. If it does end up being Joni's last public performance, I'm happy having seen her three times, most importantly at Yasgur's Farm in 1998. And, since I'm now a Californian, I just might be able to swing down to LA and hang out at the Daily Grill once in awhile (it's about two block from our LA office). No regrets ... y'all enjoy!! Lori, working in San Francisco, living in Berkeley for now ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 20:21:42 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: For Free - Extra Verse I'm not sure if this has been discussed before. I was just watching the video, Come In From The Cold. When Joni sings, For Free at the piano, she adds an extra verse. I've never heard these lyrics before. They are quite beautiful. She also changes the line about having 16 gentlemen to an "entourage". Here is the extra verse: "Playing like a fallen angel. Playing like a rising star. Playing for a hat full of nothing to the honking of the cars." Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:10:15 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Joni tribute I had not noticed Joseph Arthur on the list of performers. He is someone to watch. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:21:18 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: imagery Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm These words... they come with action in my mind every time I read them. It's on the pavement, drawn with thick children's chalk, white, running in the water, fading away. Makes me think of what could be similar in a snow storm? Maybe 'street light in a snow storm.' But that would reappear again... not be gone for ever. Like Joni at Carnegie Hall... So many Joni thoughts this morning. I'm not even in Arkansas any more it seems. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:43:06 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Joni tribute concert in New York at Carnegie Hall, Feb 1 200g] Emiliano, You are SO sweet to forward this! It's true, I have been so busy with trying to get my crashed hard drive back in order as well as other "life" stuff, I haven't been able to read much list mail. Well, thanks to some other wonderful elves that also know I haven't had time to read list mail much, and who forwarded the info, I will be there with the wonderful Maggie! We wouldn't miss this for the world! :-) YAY!!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:24:37 -0800 (PST) From: Zachary Scot Johnson Subject: carnegie tickets Hi everyone, Anyone know if these tickets are going fast? I'm a college student and independent singer/ songwriter myself, so I'm not sure I can swing the plane tickets for me and my friend, but if this is in fact the last time Joni will be performing, I'll do all I can to get there (wish we could get a confirmation on whether or not she'll be there and if she's performing). My fear is that by the time we get that info, the tickets might have already sold out. It's an exciting lineup of artists either way. Would love to meet you all, though, and hopefully I'll make it out there for it! Zach http://www.zacharyscotjohnson.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:05:42 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: imagery - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Chalk Mark In A Rain Storm > > > These words... they come with action in my mind every time I read them. > It's on the pavement, drawn with thick children's chalk, white, running > in the > water, fading away. Makes me think of 'Mary Poppins': Chim chim-e-ney, chim chim-e-ney Chim chim chir-roo I draws what I likes And I likes what I drew Today I'm a screever And as you can see A screever's an artist Of 'ighest degree Bert E. in Seattle (not Burlington Bertie from Bow) "....popping in and out of chalk pavement pictures, consorting with race horse persons...fox hunting...yes, well i don't mind that so much but at any rate, it's tradition! But tea parties on the ceiling! I ask you, having tea parties on the ceiling?!!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 10:26:23 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni Tribute concert - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" > I'm still trying to imagine > 1. Why a Toronto band (the Cowboy Junkies) which is so good with > interpreting other's songs hasn't released a song from Canada's finest > singer-songwriter, and > > 2. Which Joni song would sound great slowly way, way down. Obviously, it > should be a song about murder, abuse, or danger. You know when I saw Cowboy Junkies do an instore concert at Tower Records a few years ago, they signed cds afterwards and I got a chance to say a word or two to them. I was tempted to ask Michael what he thought of Joni as a writer. It seems to me he would appreciate her being a very literate lyricist himself. I didn't ask him though. All I managed to do was burble some thanks for writing such quality stuff and thank Margo for interpreting it all so beautifully. It's hard to imagine a Joni song done in one of the Junkie's laid-back tempos. Even Joni's ballads seem to have a restless energy underlying them. All of those words have to come tumbling out from time to time. I think Margo's voice would be a beautiful instrument to interpret almost any of Joni's songs though. For some reason 'Blue Motel Room' comes to mind. I think Em's suggestion of 'Turbulent Indigo' is a fine idea too. Then that just made me think of 'Sire of Sorrow'. 'Slouching Toward Bethlehem' has an apocalyptic quality to it that Michael might be able to riff on. Or maybe they could make up hybrids: Murder Tonight Down South Between the Trailers Miles of Aisles From Our Home Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Jane Southern Rainy Night House or something like that.... Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 14:23:03 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: RE: Joni Tribute concert The admin of the Cowboy Junkies message board said this about the Junkies at Carnegie Hall on Feb 1: >Mike, Margo, Jeff and Jaro are planning on doing the Joni Mitchell benefit. They will be performing one song.> Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:45:58 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: For Free - Extra Verse Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > I'm not sure if this has been discussed before. I was just watching the > video, Come In From The Cold. When Joni sings, For Free at the piano, > she adds an extra verse. > > "Playing like a fallen angel. > Playing like a rising star. > Playing for a hat full of nothing > to the honking of the cars." Yes, she was adding this verse in her live shows, not sure when she started, the early 80's or sooner. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:51:21 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Answer: It's comin' on Christmas Question: What's your favorite holiday sexual experience? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:05:22 +0000 From: Garret Subject: Tribute concert Are any of the Euro jonifans thinking of making the journey for this? I have not read hte list in a week and a half, been a bit busy with the new job. So this morning i wake up with a birthday hangover and see all these excited emails about the possibility of Joni making an appearance. Even if she does not the lineup is great (I just love Laurie Anderson). So i have been scratching my head thinking how could i make it work. THe flights are not as expensive as i thought, but my credit card leapt out of wallet and ran away at the very thought of it:-) If i could find somewhere relatively inexpensive to stay, though, it might just happen. A couple of days in New York - not bad with or without Jonimusic. GARRET - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 09:30:29 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: For Free - Extra Verse Oops! That's right, Bob. It was Refuge. I get them mixed up because they are on the same disc. Mark in Sydney. On 18/12/2005, at 2:48 AM, Bob Muller wrote: > Well, if you saw this clip on the "Come In From the Cold" video, > you've got a real rarity. I've only seen it on Refuge Of the Roads... > :~) > > Mark-Leon Thorne wrote:I'm not sure if this > has been discussed before. I was just watching the >> video, Come In From The Cold. When Joni sings, For Free at the piano, >> she adds an extra verse. I've never heard these lyrics before. They >> are >> quite beautiful. She also changes the line about having 16 gentlemen >> to >> an "entourage". >> >> Here is the extra verse: >> >> "Playing like a fallen angel. >> Playing like a rising star. >> Playing for a hat full of nothing >> to the honking of the cars." >> >> Mark in Sydney. > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:02:18 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Making a list checking it twice... Of course...it wouldn['t be right without you there les.. Jenny.. David > > >>I'm just curious to how many listers going so far. > > >> > > >>Who will be wearing berets and who will not? ;-) > > >> > > >>Okay... > > >> > > >>Julius and Gail > > >> > > >>Marianne > > >> > > >>Bree > > >> > > >>Laura > > >> > > >>Gary > > >> > > >>Pearl > > >> > > >>Patty P. and guests > > >> > > >>Em > > >> > > >>Jack > > >> > > >>Rosie > > >> > > >>Alison > > >> > > >>Patrick > > >> > > >>Kaye > > > > >> > > >> > > >>....and you know there may be more..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:31:46 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: For Free - Extra Verse On the "Woman of Heart and Mind" DVD there's video of Joni performing this song during the Sixties. Therein she sings "I've got a black limousine and two white gentlemen." She's changed that line a lot over the years...at no extra charge. :-) - -Julius In a message dated 12/17/05 1:30:47 AM, mark-leon@iinet.net.au writes: > She also changes the line about having 16 gentlemen to > an "entourage". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:41:04 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: Answer: It's comin' on Christmas ROTFLMAO! You writing comedy now, too, Corey? Thanks. - -Julius In a message dated 12/17/05 1:53:03 PM, guitarzan@direcpc.com writes: > Question: What's your favorite holiday sexual experience? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:49:41 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Making a list checking it twice... and now.. Ashara Maggie >Of course...it wouldn['t be right without you there > >les.. > > >Jenny.. > >David > >> > >>I'm just curious to how many listers going so far. >> > >> >> > >>Who will be wearing berets and who will not? ;-) >> > >> >> > >>Okay... >> > >> >> > >>Julius and Gail >> > >> >> > >>Marianne >> > >> >> > >>Bree >> > >> >> > >>Laura >> > >> >> > >>Gary >> > >> >> > >>Pearl >> > >> >> > >>Patty P. and guests >> > >> >> > >>Em >> > >> >> > >>Jack >> > >> >> > >>Rosie >> > >> >> > >>Alison >> > >> >> > >>Patrick >> > >> >> > >>Kaye >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> > >>....and you know there may be more..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 18:56:13 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: Making a list checking it twice... AND BOB...I thought come hell or high water you'd be there.. (I was beginning to worry though..because no word from you) this is just too much!! >and now.. > >Ashara > >Maggie > > > >>Of course...it wouldn't['t be right without you there >> >>les.. >> >> >>Jenny.. >> >>David >> >>> > >>I'm just curious to how many listers going so far. >>> > >> >>> > >>Who will be wearing berets and who will not? ;-) >>> > >> >>> > >>Okay... >>> > >> >>> > >>Julius and Gail >>> > >> >>> > >>Marianne >>> > >> >>> > >>Bree >>> > >> >>> > >>Laura >>> > >> >>> > >>Gary >>> > >> >>> > >>Pearl >>> > >> >>> > >>Patty P. and guests >>> > >> >>> > >>Em >>> > >> >>> > >>Jack >>> > >> >>> > >>Rosie >>> > >> >>> > >>Alison >>> > >> >>> > >>Patrick >>> > >> >>> > >>Kaye >>> > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >>....and you know there may be more..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:50:30 EST From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Making a list checking it twice... I think that Les is going, so is Michael Paz, Ashara,Pearl scjoniguy Bob, Gary Zack, Ashara and Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:49:42 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: In a "Hissing" Mood/Assorted Joni comments >JMDL Digest Thursday, December 15 2005 Volume 2005 : >Number 461 >Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 14:47:19 +0000 >From: "Sherelle Smith" >Subject: In a "Hissing" Mood >Hi all, >Thanks Lady Isodora for a wonderful post on "Don't >Interrupt The Sorrow"! Glad you enjoyed it, whichever one it was! :-) >I've been listening to "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" all >week on my M:Robe >(I-Pod) while commuting to work. It started with this >irresistable urge to >hear "The Drums of Barundi" in "The Jungle Line". I like >that she put that >song first because it always puts me in the mood for the >content of the >whole CD. I love "The Jungle Line" too--- great poetic imagery, mysterious melody, and oh, those pounding drums-- one of those songs I like to listen to several times in a row, sometimes, because I feel it so much in my body, as well as in my mind-- but it's the SECOND song on my copy of the album! ;-) Fave lyrics: "Those cannibals of shuck and jive Will eat a working girl like her alive" Also like the poppy and drooling imagery, but not for the reasons that might sound like!! NOT my poison of choice, ahem. I'd sooner drink 17 glasses of Liebfraumilch, heh. Well, er, not. One or two would be pleasant... :-) >The cover art is so great and fits right into the theme of >what >Joni is singing about throughout the CD. I remember the >album cover had >raised the image of the snake so you could actually feel it. >(I think) I use my CD copy now, and haven't gotten the LP out for ages-- but I think so too. I like the song "Shades of Scarlett Conquering", BTW, but didn't Joni originally misspell it as "Scarlet" on the LP? As I believe she got some French wrong in "Free Man in Paris" on *Court and Spark*, tsk, tsk, unless my memory fails... ;-) >...one of my favorites on the >CD is "Edith and the Kingpin" who as many already have >heard me say, is Omar >Shariff in my mind... Interesting. This is actually one of the songs I didn't care for much when the album first came out, I have to admit. There are some well-crafted lyrics in it-- "what does that hand desire", etc.-- but at the time I found the song and its characters rather depressing. They weren't people I felt I'd be interested in knowing personally, as I would some of the folks in "The Jungle Line" or "Shades of Scarlett, or even "Roses Blue"... ha, now THAT'S a song I should cover... it's one of my faves, even though I've felt it's a bit overly alarmist with regards to head-trippy priestesses, LOL. Anyway, with "Hissing..." I guess I hadn't fully shifted gears yet from Joni in more magical mode (don't know how else to put it at the mo, but it's STILL my fave of her "modes", so I probably STILL haven't shifted out of it!), as she was to my ear and in my mind on her first four albums especially. I seem to recall Joni had, amazingly enough, on rare occasions gotten some criticism from some reviewer(s), though I can't recall which one or ones, about being too "precious" or "Fairy Princess" or whatever. Those sure aren't the terms *I'd* use-- I dearly love those most enchanting earliest songs!! And I've loved many others since, of course, but still... past a certain point, it almost did seem as if she were reacting to such reviews by being determined to pick song subjects of greater "realism", with lots of ultra-modern and mundane rather than always as ageless or timeless-seeming imagery... and for awhile I found myself less consistently drawn to each and every song at times. I do recall an interviewer (maybe "Strolling Bone", aka "Somersaulting Rock"? t.h.) around the time of "Hissing..." asking Joni "What happened to the melodies?" I hate to say it, but I was sometimes wondering that very thing myself. Her melodies were still good, but not as consistently absolutely stunning as formerly, I didn't always think. Her lyric lines often seemed to become much more "wordy" (albeit certainly not in a bad way-- I LOVE words, cantcha tell??), and that seemed to lead to sometimes to more "talky"-sounding melodic lines. My best friend from college, also a singer and guitarist, actually quit buying Joni's albums after "For the Roses" or "Court and Spark", believe it or not! She just didn't like the changes in direction. I couldn't really understand her going to THAT extreme-- I always grabbed every Joni album the second it hit the stores, since Joni always was and still is greatly interesting to me, even if I do still miss the early "magical" stuff. ;-) Hey, true artists change and evolve. It's natural. Hmmm, but come to think of it, I remember one reviewer remarking rather snidely one year that Joni tended to favor physical description as if it were always profound, or something to that gist. Hmph. She IS an artist, after all, and I for one love her physical imagery overall. She paints extremely vivid word pictures, and as far as I'm concerned, they're pretty consistently profound, one way or the other. >Suave, handsome, and dangerous. This morning, I >wondered what Edith would actually look like...I have no >preconceived >conception of who she could be. Who comes to mind for >you? If you had to >cast roles for Edith and the Kingpin, who would play their >parts? Ummmm... how about-- Johnny Depp and myself? Tee hee... >Omar >Shariff definitely is my "Kingpin"! Yes, actually, I can really see Omar in that role... "I Had a Kingpin" could be the alternate title, LOL... Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 12:31:27 +0800 From: Jim Ayson Subject: Re: For Free - Extra Verse On 12/18/05, JRMCo1@aol.com wrote: > On the "Woman of Heart and Mind" DVD there's video of Joni performing this > song during the Sixties. Therein she sings "I've got a black limousine and two > white gentlemen." She's changed that line a lot over the years...at no > extra charge. :-) She does change things over the years... in Big Yellow Taxi she used to charge only a dollar and half for admission to the tree museum - a few years later she upped the price to twenty-five bucks :-) In Hejira it was originally strains of Benny Goodman being heard over the trees (though it was Wayne Shorter noodling in the background) then in the live performance on Shadows and Light she changed this lyric to Michael Brecker... - - jim in manila ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #357 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)