From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #352 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 14 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 352 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My Top 10 CDs/DVDs for 2005 sjc [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Good Stuff [Peep Richman ] Re: Christmas songs and Joni [LCStanley7@aol.com] joni traffic box [Kate ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #351 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] My Top 10 CDs/DVDs for 2005 ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" ] Re: welcome, Isadora [Lady Isadora ] Re: Cass' Sisotowbell Lane [Lady Isadora ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:21:58 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: My Top 10 CDs/DVDs for 2005 sjc I love this idea of summing up 2005. Here's my effort. Top 10 (listened to) artists: 1. All of Joni, really. 2. Leftism - Leftfield. 3. dubnobasswithmyheadman - Underworld. 4. Better World - Infusion. 5. Greatest Hits - James Taylor. 6. No Roots - Faithless. 7. Boheme - Deep Forest. 8. Temperamental - Everything But The Girl. 9. '64-'95 - Lemon Jelly. 10. Boulevard - St Germain. Top 10 TV shows: 1. Australian Idol. 2. Big Brother. 3. House. 4. Lost. 5. Just For Laughs - International Comedy Festival from Montreal. 6. The Simpsons. 7. Melbourne Comedy festival. 8. The ARIA Music Awards. 9. 50 Years of Television Special. 10. Mary Bryant (mini series). Top 10 DVDs (watched) 1. Lord of The Rings. 2. 3rd Rock From The Sun (TV series). 3. Star Wars 3 - Revenge of The Sith. 4. Donnie Darko. 5. Woman of Heart and Mind (JM). 6. Ned Kelly (Heath Ledger version). 7. Bewitched (TV series). 8. Birth. 9. Magnolia. 10. What's Up, Doc? Worst disasters: Indian Ocean Tsunami. Second Bali Bombing. Pakistani Earthquake. New Orleans Floods. Starvation in Central Africa. AIDS in South Africa. George W. Bush becomes "buddies" with John Howard. Race riots in Sydney. Products of the year: iPod (don't own one either). iTunes Music Store. Plasma screens. Mobile phone television. Wafer thin digital cameras. Guilty pleasure: '70s sitcoms on DVD. Mark in Sydney. NP The Dawntreader - Big Yellow Taxi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:43:22 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Christmas songs and Joni Welcome to the list! And thanks for the Roy Zimmerman plug. He founded a very funny Kingston-Trio-ish group called The Foremen. I can't help but think the Joni quote is a joke. The Tom Lehrer quote is real, though. I'd say anyone that Tom Lehrer praises is worth listening to! At 09:09 PM 12/12/2005, you wrote: - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Deb Messling -^..^- dlmessling@rcn.com - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Good Stuff Hey everyone, Oh how I LOVE you all and oh what the Digest means to me! Want to share some things you might want to consider...holiday seasons can be tough on many levels.... Books: "A Million Little Pieces"....James Frey..."staggering recovery memoir" "Families and how to survive them"...Robin Skynner/John Cleese...title speaks for itself "The Voice of Knowledge"....Don Miguel Ruiz....Toltec Wisdom "And A Voice To Sing With"....Joan Baez...a memoir "House Calls"...Patch Adams, MD...and the movie "I Hate You- don't leave me"...Jerold J. Kreisman, MD "The Art of Listening"...Erich Fromm "Man's Search for Meaning"...Viktor Frankl, MD "When Life Calls Out To Us"...the love and lifework of Viktor and Elly Frankl....(The Story Behind Man's Search For Meaning)....Haddon Klingberg, Jr. "The Ordeal of Change"....Eric Hoffer Any of Don Aslett's books....good advice "Couldn't Keep It To Myself"....Wally Lamb and for lighter fun..."The Nanny Diaries...Emma McLauglin & Nicola Kraus Just saw the DVD "Speak"...excellent....also "The Human Stain"...screen adaptation of Roth's book...excellent "The Book of Ruth"....Jane Hamilton "The Bean Tree" and "Pigs in Heaven"...Barbara Kingsolver (top two were books Anything authored by Alice Hoffman...love her Why has not a soul on the Digest commented on Anna Malik's "Wreck of the Day"? Web Sites..."My Music.com...all CD's at $6.95 Zooba.com...all books at $9.95 "Anima rising Queen of Queens Wash my guilt of Eden Wash and balance me Anima rising Uprising in me tonight She's a vengeful little goddess With an ancient crown to fight" These particular Joni lyrics fell out of my head just now...can't explain why...thought I'd just share... Love sent to all.. Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:05:14 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Christmas songs and Joni Tremolo wrote: In any case, I was perusing Roy's website and came on this quote from Joni herself: "Roy's lyrics move beyond poetry and achieve perfection." Quite a compliment from the lyric maestra! In any case, I highly recommend Roy's work if your political leanings are toward the left. (His website is royzimmerman.com) Hi Tremolo, I have several tremolo harmonicas. Love 'em! Welcome to the list. Hadn't heard of Roy, but since Joni has such good to say about him, I think I'll check him out. Thanks. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:24:45 -0600 From: Kate Subject: joni traffic box Okay, it's there now. Kate ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Who does she think she is? Anaos Nin? http://xoetc.antville.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:03:30 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #351 Apparently there was a problem downloading desktop pics 32 and 33. Here's new links for them: Court and Spark; http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0P5HBW1C734Y009Z30Z1NHVNVQ Off Night Backstreet; http://s4.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=13KBTYY3GIP3031FR4TX38OR2B Mark in Sydney. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:23:02 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: My Top 10 CDs/DVDs for 2005 In addition to RR's reasons for buying "Songs of a Prairie Girl", I'm enjoying this presentation of "Let the Wind Carry Me". I love the album "For the Roses", especially for the piano songs. On that album, "Let the Wind Carry Me" blends into its neighbors. "Let the Wind Carry Me" stands alone on "SoaPG" and it makes a big difference. It begins as a piano song and ends as a piano song; it's a self-contained piece. At the end, my impression is "Wow, what a great song," instead of "Right, onward then." Plus there are some great, "new" photos from the Hejira session. Jim RR said, >10 Joni Mitchell "Songs of a Prairie Girl" - I don't like to encourage redundant compilations, but this one has a newly remixed "Paprika Plains", Joni's 17 minute orchestra/jazz experiment. The sound is excellent: my exhaustive review of this new mix is here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007UMMHC/ref=pd_bbs_null_1/104-1895288-59 67913?s=dvd&v=glance&n=130 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:42:45 -0500 From: vince Subject: Joni quote in Tribune column printed on the op ed page Chicago Tribune December 9, 2005 Hello, vince | MyNews | Subscriber advantage | Log out Search: chicagotribune chicagotribune metromix Google 365 chicagotribune.com >> Editorials - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The fossilization of rock 'n' roll By Cory Franklin a physician at Stroger Hospital Published December 9, 2005 Hip-hop mogul and Def Jam founder Russell Simmons is not happy with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum, especially its announcement of the 2006 inductees: Black Sabbath, the Sex Pistols, Blondie, Miles Davis and Lynyrd Skynyrd. Seeing no hip-hop artists honored, Simmons said, "I shudder to think that an institution like the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame can continue to exist and ignore hip-hop ... if the trend of mainstream acceptance killing musical genres and cultural phenomenons [sic] continues, hip-hop can stay as far away from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame as possible." He may be on to something. With this year's nominations (that scraping sound you hear is the bottom of the barrel), the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is facing an unenviable choice: run out of candidates while your fan base joins AARP or revitalize your business model. But once Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy and Eminem are inducted, it won't exactly be the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame anymore. And what happens when Mariah Carey and Kelly Clarksonare honored alongside Little Richard (R&R HOF 1986) and the Jimi Hendrix Experience (R&R HOF 1992)? Where's your street cred then? Part of the problem has been the whole idea of a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. When it was originally proposed, people weren't sure whether it was a joke. It was created as an institution to recognize music whose essence was to thumb its nose at institutions. A hall of fame for rock 'n' rollers? May as well give Chamber of Commerce awards to the local juvenile delinquents. One wonders what the rebellious young John Lennon (R&R HOF 1994) would have thought of such a preposterous idea. And yet for a brief time, the hall actually became cool. But just as this was happening, rock 'n' roll itself faced declining sales and lost its way, a victim of various forces, including different musical genres, new technology, corporate consolidation of radio, aging fans and, most important, not enough good music. Beatles producer George Martin (R&R HOF 1999), who knew talent when he heard it, decried the takeover of the music by accountants and lawyers, calling it a lack of "good ears." And thus the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame threatens to turn into a self-parody. Today's rockers just don't have much in common with Elvis (R&R HOF 1986) or Bo Diddley (R&R HOF 1987). Generational continuity is not a major selling point for music, especially in America. That's why there's no national attraction for a Big Band Hall of Fame or a Jazz Hall of Fame. They are, at best, local stopovers in small towns. Still, one of the undeniable pleasures of hall of fame selections is arguing over who belongs and who doesn't. In that respect this year's nominees don't disappoint. Black Sabbath and the Sex Pistols? The musical equivalent of eating oysters, an acquired taste. Blondie? A brief string of hits, but had the group debuted in 1960 instead of 1980, no doubt they would have been overshadowed by the likes of the Shirelles (R&R HOF 1996). Lynyrd Skynyrd? Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? Maybe. Mullet Hall of Fame? Definitely. And Miles Davis, inducted for his groundbreaking jazz-rock fusion session, "Bitches Brew"? Miles may be a jazz immortal, but inducting him in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is like putting Jim Thorpe in Cooperstown for playing a couple of years of baseball in the National League. Great player, wrong sport. The hall still has a few artists to recognize. John Mellencamp, the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, Patti Smith and perhaps a few others are destined for induction. But Russell Simmons' warning makes it clear that unless the hall makes the choice to expand to other genres, it will be relegated to museum status. The aesthetic experience of seeing and hearing Chuck Berry (R&R HOF 1986) or the Beatles (R&R HOF 1988) will be like going to see Impressionist paintings or an exhibition of Egyptian artifacts: a pleasant way to spend the afternoon with a tenuous but distant connection to the present. To paraphrase Joni Mitchell's (R&R HOF 1997) "Big Yellow Taxi," "They take all the rockers, put 'em in a rock museum, and they charge the people $21.95 just to see 'em." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 21:00:12 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: welcome, Isadora Michael O'Malley wrote:>Hello there and welcome. I enjoyed visiting your website - >what a lovely >voice you have - so light and clear, pitch perfect, not unlike >early Joni, >if I may make such a comparison. Thank you, Michael! And thanks to all who welcomed me in such friendly fashion, off-list as well as on. This certainly seems to be a group to treasure, indeed! >Can we expect to hear a Joni cover from you >someday ;-) ? I am sure you would do her justice. Why, thanks again! :-) Well, though Joni's definitely a longtime idol of mine, I haven't recorded or performed (in public) any of her work so far, believe it or not... admittedly I've got so many of my own songs crowding my psyche, I've given precedence to them, and I'm also a longtime folkie with a passion for British Isles trad music... not to mention being something of a secret blues babe (channeling Billie Holiday in a tall black pointy hat, LOL, as may be found on my website on my Song Samples page under "Witches' Brew Blues", cackle cackle)... but yes, I'd dearly love to do some Joni covers at this point. I've sung some of her songs at home for sheer love of them, that's for sure! >There are> many talented >singers and musicians on this list; you're in good company. >Michael in Quebec, looking forward to the solstice. Good Yule, Michael, and anyone else who celebrates itl! I look forward very much to getting to know you all better, and listening to the undoubted musical talents in the list! Cheers, Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:10:53 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Cass' Sisotowbell Lane Bob Muller wrote: >Hi Isadora - thanks for the introductory post, and allow me >to also welcome you to the JMDL family! Thank you! Pleased to be here! :-) >I got back this evening from my trip and this CD was >waiting for me. I actually thought this was good match of >singer and song, and it was pretty much what I expected. >Now we're one step closer to having all of STAS covered - >all we lack is "Pirate of Penance", and I'll be REAL >surprised if that one ever gets done. Hey, maybe you can >take that statement as a challenge... Actually, now that you mention it... hmmm... that's one of my VERY fave of Joni's songs, too... it definitely suits my Inner Pirate Queen, as I like to call "her"... OK, that settles it! I'll cover the song ASAP on a forthcoming album! Or perhaps just record it soon and post it for now on my website! :-) Cheers, Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Holiday Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 22:44:17 -0800 (PST) From: Lady Isadora Subject: Re: Discovering Joni Catherine McKay wrote: ... >Welcome, Isadora. Tell us more about when/how you >discovered Joni. >Catherine >Toronto Thanks for the welcome, Catherine! I first discovered Joni at age 17 in high school, in 1969, when I heard "The Gallery" on KFMG, the local Des Moines, Iowa hippie radio station of yore, and was just stricken by it... not KFMG, "The Gallery", tee hee... but I truly thought it was the most enchanting song I'd ever heard, I think. Glorious melody, vividly poetic lyrics, poignantly haunting voice. Then soon after at a party at a friend's house I saw and heard the album "Clouds", and fell even further in love with Joni's music, as we've all done in our own time and way. But it wasn't just in being impressed by Joni as Joni that I was so smitten... it was the overwhelming feeling of deep personal familiarity of the melodic style that hit me in a really personal way... a feeling of meeting a musical sisterspirit. I've always loved and naturally resonated with such haunting melodies and modalities, and admittedly they come to me naturally and often as a composer myself... I still favor Joni's earliest albums as the most sublimely melodic to my ear, although I acknowledge much that's wonderful on subsequent albums. But those first four especially grabbed me, and of those, especially the first two, though I also adore the third... I'd already been singing with a guitar since age 13, inspired by Joan Baez and the Beatles... Paul McCartney's amazingly prolific melodic genius is another major musical love, though Lennon's songs too will always hold a special place in my heart... Jean Redpath was another massive influence on me back then... but it was and is Joni's superbly crafted, highly personalized lyrics that spoke and still speak most eloquently for my soul (other than my own, of course, but then, that's only natural for any songwriter) out of so many interesting songwriters out there. Somehow she manages to be consistently more interesting by far than most. Cheers, Isadora http://www.ladyisadora.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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