From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #345 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, December 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 345 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: 'River' & candour [Karen Marie Espeland ] Re: 'River' & candour [Patti Witten ] Hey everybody!!!! [Peep Richman ] Re: Joni Remix Project ["mike pritchard" ] holiday season / christmas card [JRMCo1@aol.com] Joni Covers, Volume 71 - More Fiddling About [Bob Muller Subject: Re: 'River' & candour Thank you, Bob! And thanks to the rest of you for giving me feedback on this. Good to hear that such a phrase didn't cause any scandal back in the early & not-so-innocent seventies. I guess Miss Mitchell's various romantic liaisons were more likely to have provoked raising of eyebrows & labels of 'promiscuity' - and that wouldn't have happened nowadays, as we're so used to serial monogamy. Karen Marie (in pretty cold Oslo) NP 'In The Cold Cold Night' - The White Stripes On 12/5/05, Bob Muller wrote: > Maybe the women in the audience are better able to answer, Karen - but after > the late 60's, what with see-through blouses, an increase in sexuality in > films, books, etc, and the youth culture itself (free love, skinny dipping > at Woodstock, etc), I don't think that this lyric of Joni's in 1971 raised a > lot of eyebrows. > > I didn't hear Blue when it came out - it was many years later. Maybe someone > who heard it when it first came out would have a different response. While > it was VERY powerful and groundbreaking as an album, I just don't have any > recall that these specific lyrics made any parents hold Joni record-burnings > in their local church parking lots. > > Bob > > NP: Graham Parker, "The Madness of Love" > > > > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Personals > Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. > Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 10:23:08 -0500 From: Patti Witten Subject: Re: 'River' & candour Bob wrote: > I didn't hear Blue when it came out - it was many years later. Maybe someone > who heard it when it first came out would have a different response. While it > was VERY powerful and groundbreaking as an album, I just don't have any recall > that these specific lyrics made any parents hold Joni record-burnings in their > local church parking lots. My middle class, educated, New England parents certainly didn't. I was 13 when Blue came out and while I don't remember actually buying the record I do remember poring over the cover and obsessively playing it on my "record player," alone in my room, for hours. When I got the songbook some time later, I spent hours and hours with it as well. To my 13-year old sensibilities, the lyric gave me to understand that as a grown up lady it was acceptable and meaningful to be candid about one's romantic relationships. Lots of info in this song: multiple relationships are ok; leaving you're man for your own freedom is ok; still loving him, desiring him was ok; being honest about it is ok; and more. It was not shocking, it was revolutionary, in a quiet, one-on-one kind of way. I adore this song. Patti - -- http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 08:22:33 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Hey everybody!!!! Snowed about six inches here and it's gorgeous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wanted to write about the meaning of lyrics..... I remember, so well, anticipating when I knew Joni was coming out with a new ALBUM...date me....but, I listened first to her incredible growth, as she explored something new in each CD......date me....I had fleeting images of what Joni may have meant personally by writing particular lyrics....but I related the lyrics to what was happening to me in my life at the time. Selfish???? Soothing????? Helpful!!!! I remember teaching a gentleman on parole (for murder...a few other goodies) how to read singing Joni for him and having him follow along with the written lyrics. "Edith And The Kingpin" really blew his mind. "You know what 'Edith' is Bo?"....REALLY>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Bars in her head"....I sang it, "bars around you!!!!"...and to this day I remember this gorgeous human (okay, he had a few problems) actually realized he could read when he realized I changed the lyrics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "gee, Bo, come on over to The Big House and you can sing Joni and teach so many guys to read".....one point here is this guy found profound meaning in Joni's lyrics....so far from what I think she could possibly have meant. We engaged in such intense philosophical discussions.....he was SOOOOO offened "The Boho Dance"..."with negro affectations"....."Jesus was a beggar"...."Like a priest with a pornographic watch"......"Hey...you murder some people...other "little" goodies...stick with your mojo, man!"....But we learned so much from one another. When he left the program....had ONE phone call to make...he called me..."You didn't fail, Phyl. And, hey lady....thanks for Joni!!!! She'll pull me through!!!!!" Never heard from him again and hard as I tried, I could never find him. But he, in his way, found Joni....I know he looks at both sides now...then..... Gee, rambling me. Sorry. Love to you all. Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 18:23:28 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: Re: Joni Remix Project >>so, if you are adept at Reason or Cubase, get mixing.<< Hi Mark, Not adept, but trying to be half-adequate. I think I recall you saying you don't know much about Cubase but I can't remember if you know anything about Reason. My question (the first of many I have) is about the general way of working. Imagine I find a track (say a Joni song) which I want to modify, is there a painless (electronic) way to count the beats per minute, apart from physically timing them? Assuming that there is, I guess the next step is to find some loops that fit in with the tempo. Once this is matched up there should be fewer problems, fewer technical problems, more questions of musical taste, what to add, what to cut etc. Is that a reasonable summary of the process? Any advice about the counting thing? That's all for now, mike in bcn NP Dylan: Sally Gal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 17:56:01 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: holiday season / christmas card My number one favorite holiday thang over the years has always been "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and it's on tonight...check your local listings. Shroeder may even cover "River" this year... The Joni-designed Christmas cards are now available for purchase at: http://www.warchild.ca/merchandise_cards.asp Prices are in Canadian dollars. All proceeds go to Warchild services for children. Merry everything, everyone. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:48:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni Covers, Volume 71 - More Fiddling About Emiliano & others that requested a re-run, here you go - git it while it's HOT and SNAP! you're done with your Holiday shopping: http://s61.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=31BEOGM6IPO1Z2SWE9PWCCM3YN Bob NP: Terry Gonda, "Both Sides Now" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Shopping Find Great Deals on Gifts at Yahoo! Shopping ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #345 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)