From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #333 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 333 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: one up on you [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Blue Boy [LCStanley7@aol.com] Happy Thanksgiving To All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Peep Richman ] Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen ["Mark Scott" ] Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen [Randy Remote ] Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving [Smurf ] Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 03:38:10 -0800 (PST) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: one up on you In Israel there's also only 2 kinds of music - the awful one everybody's listening to and Joni singing in my mind... Love, Nuriel MIKE HICKS wrote: >one up on you>>>> Down here in South Carolina there's only two kinds of music.....country AND western. Mike NP: Broken Social Scene - Swimmers - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 09:38:44 EST From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: Re: Blue Boy Warren wrote: Ahhhh..."Blue Boy"...what a beautiful composition, one of my favorites as a matter of fact. I find the meaning of the lyrics to be quite simple. The lady was quite enamored of the boy, worshipped him in fact." Like a pilgrim she traveled..." The boy was apparently very indifferent. The lady would have done anything to please him, make him love her, but his feelings didn't change," He always looked the same." After countless encounters she tires of his lack of love for her and becomes indifferent too, " Till he finds a lady statue..." I had an experience exactly like this..possibly that has colored my take on it. Naturally I took the role of " the lady" in the song... Hi Warren, I love this song too. Here are the lyrics: BLUE BOY Lady called the blue boy, love, She took him home Made himself an idol, yes, So he turned to stone Like a pilgrim she travelled To place her flowers Before his granite grace And she prayed aloud for love To waken in his face In his face, oh __________ Sometimes in the evening He would read to her Roll her in his arms And give his seed to her She would wake in the morning Without him And go to the window And look out thru the pane But the statue in her garden He always looked the same He looked the same, ah _________ Bring her boots of leather And she will dance for him Shyly from a feather fan She'll glance for him Here he comes after midnight To find her again He will come few times more Till he finds a lady statue Standing in a door In her door, oh __________ The "made himself an idol" part... Who made who an idol? If it was written, "made him an idol" then I would think it was her making an idol of him. But, did he make himself and idol? Did he have a big ego that kept him distanced from her? I interpret the song as meaning a one night stand. He got what he wanted, was given it since she took the lead, but she wanted more so she would have dreams about him until she finally lost interest in him to equal his disinterest in her. Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 08:47:46 -0800 (PST) From: Peep Richman Subject: Happy Thanksgiving To All!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!!!!! We are all so blessed....to have one another.....to be alive in a world filled with strife....to have the blessing of hearing....hearing our Joni....and others....to have the freedom of self-expression.....to have the ability to love....to forgive....to learn....to laugh...and cry....to help others in need....to be able to accept love & support when we too are in need.....to be able to evaluate our lives, make healthier decisions, forgive our 'mistakes'..... to make new commitments and carry them through....to enjoy belly laughs as well as healing tears....to reach new levels of personal potential..... I am thankful to all of you, who have supported me through very tough times in my life. I am thankful to you for enriching me with your insights, your sensitivities, your musical discoveries, deep and rich insights into Joni, her lyrics, her immeasurably magnificent musical talentS, her art....her unique ability to see life from both sides and help us through our lives. I am thankful to have the gift of life. You have ALL touched my heart in many, many ways...special Digest friends who have taken the time to share their support and love.....I am so very thankful to all of my Digest friends. If this sounds syrupy...too sentimental....please read the sincerity and the spirit in which this is written. Special note to Suze....you wrote and touched my soul. Be safe...happy, full, and filled with the blessings of new memories of love. You are in my thoughts, prayers and special wishes. With this posting comes my love. Bo Bo - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:19:01 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen Randy wrote: <> Hey Randy, thanks for that cool information! I really love that title: Backstage Passes and Backstabbing Bastards. I'm gonna have to look for this one. Do you think that this drummer was the inspiration behind Joni's Conversation..."I only say hello, and turn away, before his lady knows, how much I want to see him..." ? Or even Go Tell the Drummer Man ..."Go tell the drummer man, the time glass is out of sand..." ? Mia ps. I've had at least three posts that bounced in the last two weeks. This one may bounce, too. Anyone else been having the same problem? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:25:13 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen > Box of Paints wrote: > >> > And isn't there generally considered to be a Leonard Cohen connection >> > to >> > Rainy Night House ? Here's some info that Simon posted to the list back in 1999: as for Leonard in JONI's work, well that's a little easier. once again, From: "Various Positions: A Life Of Leonard Cohen" In 1967, Cohen began a romantic relationship with Joni Mitchell, whom he first met at the Newport Folk Festival. He would visit her at the Earl Hotel on Waverly Place in the Village and since Mitchell frequently played in Montreal, she would spend time with Cohen there, writing the song "Rainy Night House" about their visit to his mother's home. When Cohen went to Los Angeles in the fall of 1968, he spent nearly a month with her at her new Laurel Canyon home. Cohen, Mitchell acknowledges, inspired her, giving her another standard in songwriting, although sometimes his presence surprised her---as when she found his name inscribed on the back of a heavy pendulum that fell off an antique clock she owned. He and Dylan, she has remarked, were her "pace runners," the ones that kept her heading to new and higher musical ground. Cohen characterized their relationship as "the extension of our friendship," a friendship that has endured. (pg. 156) --------- Following his father's death, Cohen won a significant dispute with his mother over custody of Nathan's pistol, a military souvenir. Cohen had been fascinated by his father's military exploits and at one time Nathan had spoken of sending Cohen to a military college, an idea Cohen eagerly accepted. The FAVORITE GAME describes the dispute over the gun, presented as an important talisman: a "huge .38 in a thick leather case ... Lethal, angular, precise, it smoldered in the dark drawer with dangerous potential. The metal was always cold." Cohen has always been fascinated by weapons, reflected in his novel BEAUTIFUL LOSERS. "I loved the magic of guns," the character F. declares. For several years Cohen himself kept a gun. In her lyric to "Rainy Night House," Joni Mitchell describes how she and Cohen took a taxi to his mother's house in Westmount during her absence: "she went to Florida and left you with your father's gun alone." (pg. 17) He goes on to say that 'The Priest' was also inspired by Cohen. Judy Collins retrospective of Cohen includes the song 'Night Comes On' that has the lyric: We were fighting in Egypt When they signed this agreement That nobody else had to die There was this terrible sound And my father went down With a terrible wound in his side He said, Try to go on Take my books, take my gun Remember, my son, how they lied FWIW Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:05:04 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen mia ortlieb wrote: > Randy wrote: < writes of meeting Joni in a bar in NYC. She had the hots for the Blues > Project's drummer (likes those drummers!) but he was attached, so she was > crying on Kooper's shoulder.>> > > Hey Randy, thanks for that cool information! I really love that title: > Backstage Passes and Backstabbing Bastards. I'm gonna have to look for this > one. I recommend it, it's a good read > Do you think that this drummer was the inspiration behind Joni's > Conversation..."I only say hello, and turn away, before his lady knows, how > much I want to see him..." ? Hmmm....could be-same time frame... > Or even Go Tell the Drummer Man ..."Go tell > the drummer man, the time glass is out of sand..." ? Is that one of her early ones? I don't recall it...if so, probably yet another drummer! Mark Scott wrote: > Here's some info that Simon posted to the list back in 1999: > > --as when > she found his name inscribed on the back of a heavy pendulum that fell > off an antique clock she owned. Thanks for the info, Mark- maybe she was eventually creeped out by his guns and pranks....It would seem that NRH is about Cohen-although songs are sometimes composites-like Guinnevere being inspired by Joni and 2 other women. I'm sure Al Kooper was not the only one who "sat up all night and watched me to see who in the world I might be". RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 12:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving Did anyone else notice that this show was produced by Larry Klein, who is, I assume, the same Larry who was married to Joni? Also, Mariah Carey said a thank-you to him for something, but I missed it. I have been watching TV off and on for the last week or so because my computer was off in Appleland getting a new hard drive. I am amazed at how awful TV has become in the 2 or 3 years I have been not been watching it. I thought this year's American Music Awards was particularly wretched. I didn't enjoy ANYONE who wasn't over 40 years old, and I think the audience often appeared to agree with me. When I think of all the young people with talent -- many of whom I've learned about through this list -- who weren't on this show and don't even get much notice from the biz, it makes me sad and mad. Also, because of my hearing problem, I have grown used to using the closed captioning feature, and some of the lyrics I read during this broadcast were soooo bad -- take a bow, Lindsay Lohan -- that I was cringing fitfully. While we're on the subject of Thanksgiving, I am truly thankful to Les for this list and for all the talented, smart, funny, warm and wonderful people I have grown to know, on and off list. I am even thankful for Bob Muller. I have missed you all during my computer woes -- although I did read the list quickly every day at work -- and it's nice to read the list at my leisure again. Gobble, - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:23:18 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Blue Boy, now Leonard Cohen On Thu, 24 Nov 2005 11:25:13 -0800 "Mark Scott" wrote: >> Box of Paints wrote: >> >>> > And isn't there generally considered to be a Leonard >>>Cohen connection >>> > to >>> > Rainy Night House ? > > Here's some info that Simon posted to the list back in >1999: Excellent information, Mark. That the song may be, as Randy notes, about several people is certainly possible, but Leonard has to be in there--too much for a coincidence. Btw, Do people know that Cohen was recently ripped off by his manager for millions of dollars? His entire retirement savings. His lawyers are trying to recover what they can ... Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:05:07 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: American Music Awards / Joni's Larry? / Thanksgiving Smurf wrote: > Did anyone else notice that this show was produced by > Larry Klein, who is, I assume, the same Larry who was > married to Joni? Also, Mariah Carey said a thank-you > to him for something, but I missed it. Oh, yeah, I saw that, too. How very upscale. (Mariah said that her dress wasn't ready and her ear monitors weren't ready, and apologized to the crowd if her performance wasn't good [it was fine] and thanked LK for helping her as the curtain rose. Or something like that.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:09:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Thanksgiving JMDL!!! On this day of Thanksgiving I am reminded of the enormity of friendship that I am blessed with here. And for that I am deeply thankful and my whole family is most grateful. Things are not that much better in Louisiana, but still we have a lot to be thankful for. The music community is trying to help itself instead of waiting on the government to do something for us. I saw my friend Clint Maedgen playing sax with the Preservation Hall Band on the Macy's parade on TV this am. The turkey is out and the front of the parade of casseroles has started thru my oven. We have about 20 people coming over to share dinner with us and we will have a lovely evening of food, wine, and music (and of course a martini or two). I wish you all a very warm and happy thanksgiving (yes even you Brits, Aussies, South Africans, Dutch, French, Spanish, at least one Argentine Che, and even my former bitches from Birmingham {who were suppose to be here with me today, but who's whining???}. I also ask that everyone keep my friend Chris Whitley (Living With the Law w/ Daniel Lanois etc etc.) a great alternate tuning slide guitar playing monster who passed with lung cancer at the tender age of 45. Please stop smoking everyone! Love Paz NP-Two Sleepy People-Art Garfunkel ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #333 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)