From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #321 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, November 13 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 321 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Italian Jazz Group covers Joni [DOVETUSAI/ Fabio e Luigi ] acoustic ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Thank you Catherine ["Ric Robinson" ] joni, mack ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Re: Italian Jazz Group covers Joni [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: For Free [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: For Free [Catherine McKay ] what was just a false alarm? [Em ] Re: what was just a false alarm? [Box of Paints ] Re: what was just a false alarm? ["Mark Scott" ] Re: what was just a false alarm? ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: what was just a false alarm? [Bob Muller ] Re: what was just a false alarm? [Em ] Re: what was just a false alarm? ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: what was just a false alarm? ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: what was just a false alarm? ["Mark Scott" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:39:24 +0100 From: DOVETUSAI/ Fabio e Luigi Subject: Italian Jazz Group covers Joni Maria Pia De Vito (vocals), Danilo Rea (piano), Enzo Pietropaoli (double bass) and Aldo Romano (drums) recorded an album recently released in Italy called "So Right" ( www.CamJazz.com). Seven of the twelve songs are Joni's covers ( Amelia, All I Want, God Must be a Boogie Man, River, Harlem in Havana, Woodstock, A Case of You). Maria Pia is a fine jazz singer and she sounds wonderful on all the 5 tracks that she cowrote with her fellows. She also sounds very good on most Joni's covers ( it's always hard to compete with Joni's singing ). All musicians do a very good job on Joni's tracks and the result is quite interesting. Fabio ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 04:28:18 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Italian Jazz Group covers Joni Hi Fabio, I picked up on this CD as soon as it came out - you are right, it is quite excellent, and the folks at Cam Jazz got it to me even quicker than a lot of US shippers would have. I am always excited at the fact that Europeans are also aware of Joni's 90's work. The Harlem in Havana cover thrills me the most. And you're right, it's a challenge for any singer to compete with Joni's vocals which is why I always appreciate when a band or vocalist takes their interpretation to a different place than Joni did. The fact that 95% of Joni covers these days are coming from the world of jazz should make Joni a happy camper. 2005 has been a HUGE year for Joni covers. Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Kentucky Avenue" (going out to my friend Les Ross who is a fan of this song) DOVETUSAI/ Fabio e Luigi wrote: Maria Pia De Vito (vocals), Danilo Rea (piano), Enzo Pietropaoli (double bass) and Aldo Romano (drums) recorded an album recently released in Italy called "So Right" ( www.CamJazz.com). Seven of the twelve songs are Joni's covers ( Amelia, All I Want, God Must be a Boogie Man, River, Harlem in Havana, Woodstock, A Case of You). Maria Pia is a fine jazz singer and she sounds wonderful on all the 5 tracks that she cowrote with her fellows. She also sounds very good on most Joni's covers ( it's always hard to compete with Joni's singing ). All musicians do a very good job on Joni's tracks and the result is quite interesting. Fabio - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:57:04 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: acoustic I hope you got to see Cyndi Lauper in concert this morning on The Today Show. Among other songs, she performed True Colors on the dulcimer. They are from her recent Body Acoustic CD. I just got Jackson Browne's new CD Solo and Acoustic which is also wonderful, just him playing and singing his songs on guitar and piano. I'd gladly trade BSN and Travelogue, and maybe throw in TTT for just one more CD from Joni, solo and acoustic....... Wistful Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:15:56 -0000 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: Thank you Catherine Hague CD arrived this morning, Many thanks, Ric [demime 0.97c-p1 removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of Ric.gif] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:18:12 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: joni, mack >From the >loudspeaker could hear 'they pave paradise and put up a parking lot." Felt >good, like a friend there waiting for me. Wondered if others felt that way There's nothing like it Mack. XOXO Marianne Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 17:03:37 -0600 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: joni Into CVS pharmacy for sinus pills. Heavy work weekend coming up and grocery shopping done. Thinking of little as I walked into the place. From the loudspeaker could hear 'they pave paradise and put up a parking lot." Felt good, like a friend there waiting for me. Wondered if others felt that way and if Joni sometimes wonders about those who consider her a friend, even from the JMDL. mack _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:11:31 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Italian Jazz Group covers Joni Aldo Romano is a premier jazz drummer; he's been playing with all the greats in Europe since the 60s. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:13:17 EST From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: For Free Last Sunday, Mike in Barcelona wrote: "From the Economist style guide: 'Free is an adjective or an adverb, so you cannot have or do anything for free. Either you have it free or you have it for nothing.' What would Joni say?" Kate B replied "Artistic license allows you to use words anyway you please including the making up of words :~} " My Random House (18 years old) categorizes "for free" as "informal" (the modern substitute for "colloquial".) "Informal" is one category less formal than "slang". So what's the big deal ? To me, the answer is that Joni managed to string together 3 colloquialisms in a row - "real", "good" and "for free". Holy cow ! (Joni's lyric, not Joni herself). Phil Rizzuto would have been proud of her idiomatic logic. "He was playing really well, for nothing." Perfectly formal, but I don't "buy it" ;~) "He was playing real good, for free." Blatant commercialism ! Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 13:38:07 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: For Free - --- Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: Joni managed to > string together 3 colloquialisms in a row - "real", > "good" and "for free". > Holy cow ! (Joni's lyric, not Joni herself). Phil > Rizzuto would have been > proud of her idiomatic logic. > > "He was playing really well, for nothing." > Perfectly formal, but I don't > "buy it" ;~) > > "He was playing real good, for free." Blatant > commercialism ! LOL! I guess if she had said, "playin' real good fer free", (in a cowboy drawl) that would have been even better. N.P. Frank Cosentino 1000 Miles. Frank is Matthew's guitar teacher and a sweetheart of a human being. His style is rock and blues. Check him out at www.frankcosentino.com. I'd love to help Frank sell some CDs. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:27:28 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: what was just a false alarm? so after all these times listening to Amelia and getting inot different and fascinating layers of meaning, I realize I still don't realize *what* wasa false alarm. It. But what? Can someone enlighten me? And please forgive me for not searching the archives first...what I really love is the back and forth that we have together sometimes on here, and if I just found the answer in the archives, I wouldn't have that. :) thx! Reason I have Amelia on the brain is its heavy rotation in my car, as its part of a fave iTunes playlist that I burned. And that I may only burn one or 2 more times before it tells me NO Em < Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? I think it's love... that was just the false alarm. Joni thought it was for real, but really what she was experiencing was the false alarm of her signals telling her it was love... I say this but I can't back it up! Zoob On 12/11/05, Em wrote: > so after all these times listening to Amelia and getting inot different > and fascinating layers of meaning, I realize I still don't realize > *what* wasa false alarm. It. But what? > Can someone enlighten me? > And please forgive me for not searching the archives first...what I > really love is the back and forth that we have together sometimes on > here, and if I just found the answer in the archives, I wouldn't have > that. > :) > thx! > Reason I have Amelia on the brain is its heavy rotation in my car, as > its part of a fave iTunes playlist that I burned. And that I may only > burn one or 2 more times before it tells me NO > Em < - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... A Case Of You , Joni Mitchell 1971 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:59:11 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" > so after all these times listening to Amelia and getting inot different > and fascinating layers of meaning, I realize I still don't realize > *what* wasa false alarm. It. But what? My take: She's at a place in her life where things are confused. She's feeling lost. She's searching for meaning or fulfillment. But everytime she thinks she's onto something, it doesn't pan out, it's just a false alarm. The six jet planes are not a mystical sign or omen. They're just a false alarm. Travelling around, seeing other places doesn't help. Picture postcard charms and where some have found their paradise, others just come to harm. Another false alarm. The love affair she's been in has ended with the man telling her to keep her distance. No permanent happiness, no emotional fulfillment - false alarm. Amelia's quest for fame and achievement ends up with her disappearance and probable death. Like Icarus, she fails to touch the sun. Another false alarm. Joni's own chicken scratching for her immortality has put her up in the cold, airless atmosphere still feeling empty. Maybe she's never really loved. It still doesn't do it. One more false alarm. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:12:41 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? Everything Mark says makes sense. Like Jamie, I tend to hear it as about love--perhaps because it's Joni. This verse particularly stands out for me: And looking down on everything I crashed into his arms Amelia, it was just a false alarm Also: it is the "Cactus Tree" motel that she goes to in order to shower (fresh start) and dream. Can that POSSIBLY be a coincidence? Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:55:39 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? thanks Michael, Mark and Jamie - for your input. Actually everything you all said makes sense, and from what you said, and from a gut feeling I had earlier (and it pains me greatly to realize) I think I now suppose the "false alarm" was the fleeting notion that she was free. That she "flew" or was otherwise "free'. It wasn't true; just seemed like it *might* was gonna happen. (like a badly timed orgasm almost) It was just a false alarm that she shook off earthly frustrations. By flight or by travel or by music. I find it tragic. But, you know, as humans, so few things are *perfectly* satisfying - especially once you're an adult. Things can be mighty groovy, and yet you're not free of the earth. Not like when you were a kid and could "break on through" and have moments of perfect joy. Just some thoughts..... But I think the "it was just a false alarm" line now strikes me as tragic. "I almost flew". Gotta be frustrating. I can see how the traveling would be healing. But not "easy" healing. Hard, abrasive healing. Damn, now Amelia's too sad to listen to! and not namby pamby sad (that was for you Bob) but gut wrenching to the point of desperate sarcasm sad. thanks you 3, for playing. I have to listen some more. Amelia is a really strange song. Its more than music, its more than painting. She casts about so much that she makes it 3-d and so it becomes sculpture nearly. Huge, though! Not only the geographical scope gives it this, but the human twisting and turning. lol, I may be full of sh_t! Em - --- Michael Flaherty wrote: > Everything Mark says makes sense. Like Jamie, I tend to > hear it as about love--perhaps because it's Joni. > > This verse particularly stands out for me: > > And looking down on everything > I crashed into his arms > Amelia, it was just a false alarm > > Also: it is the "Cactus Tree" motel that she goes to in > order to shower (fresh start) and dream. Can that > POSSIBLY be a coincidence? > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:21:38 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? You mean me? Amelia is Joni at her highest level of craft. Since the JMDL started doing the song poll, the WORST that Amelia has done is #3, and it spends lots of time at #1. Ina world of awesome Joni songs, it always rises to the top. It's a perfect gem of a song that few can ever hope to achieve. And what I love about it is when Joni says: "People tell you where they've been, They tell you where to go, But til you've been there YOURSELF You never really know" So that even if you think you understand the song you can only relate to it on your own terms. It's so brilliant on so many levels it blows me away - still, to this day. I'll never forget singing it onstage with Mr. Paz playing flawlessly & beautifully behind me. He played real good for free and made me forgive him for busting my King Cobra all over Ashara's kitchen floor. Bob NP: Heartless Bastards, "Swamp Song" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 18:24:39 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? yeah, I mean YOU! remember one time you said "namby pamby"? and I sadly don't remember the context. You "namby pamby" sayer, you! Yes, what you say about Amelia surely is all true. Wish I could have heard you and Paz doing the cover. :) see ya, Em - --- Bob Muller wrote: > pamby sad (that > was for you Bob) but gut wrenching to the point of > desperate sarcasm > sad.> > > You mean me? > > Amelia is Joni at her highest level of craft. Since the JMDL started > doing the song poll, the WORST that Amelia has done is #3, and it > spends lots of time at #1. Ina world of awesome Joni songs, it > always rises to the top. It's a perfect gem of a song that few can > ever hope to achieve. > > And what I love about it is when Joni says: > > "People tell you where they've been, > They tell you where to go, > But til you've been there YOURSELF > You never really know" > > So that even if you think you understand the song you can only relate > to it on your own terms. It's so brilliant on so many levels it blows > me away - still, to this day. I'll never forget singing it onstage > with Mr. Paz playing flawlessly & beautifully behind me. He played > real good for free and made me forgive him for busting my King Cobra > all over Ashara's kitchen floor. > > Bob > > NP: Heartless Bastards, "Swamp Song" > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:42:00 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? Even reading all the posts about it gives me the chills. It is perfect in everyway. Bree Ps. Bob...still thinking about your America post will get back to you. >From: Bob Muller >Reply-To: Bob Muller >To: Em , jonilist >Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? >Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:21:38 -0800 (PST) > >pamby sad (that >was for you Bob) but gut wrenching to the point of >desperate sarcasm >sad.> > >You mean me? > >Amelia is Joni at her highest level of craft. Since the JMDL started doing >the song poll, the WORST that Amelia has done is #3, and it spends lots of >time at #1. Ina world of awesome Joni songs, it always rises to the top. >It's a perfect gem of a song that few can ever hope to achieve. > >And what I love about it is when Joni says: > >"People tell you where they've been, >They tell you where to go, >But til you've been there YOURSELF >You never really know" > >So that even if you think you understand the song you can only relate to it >on your own terms. It's so brilliant on so many levels it blows me away - >still, to this day. I'll never forget singing it onstage with Mr. Paz >playing flawlessly & beautifully behind me. He played real good for free >and made me forgive him for busting my King Cobra all over Ashara's kitchen >floor. > >Bob > >NP: Heartless Bastards, "Swamp Song" > > > >--------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:44:52 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? And I think there is recorded evidence of YOUR brilliance but possibly NOT mine. You are to kind AND forgiving of me. I am still flirting with anudder jonifest in New Orleans. I have got a lot on my plate at the moment including a possible short tout with Arlo Guthrie from Chicago Dec. 5 to New Orleans Dec 17. Keep yo fingas crossed. Love Paz > pamby sad (that > was for you Bob) but gut wrenching to the point of > desperate sarcasm > sad.> > > You mean me? > > Amelia is Joni at her highest level of craft. Since the JMDL started doing the > song poll, the WORST that Amelia has done is #3, and it spends lots of time at > #1. Ina world of awesome Joni songs, it always rises to the top. It's a > perfect gem of a song that few can ever hope to achieve. > > And what I love about it is when Joni says: > > "People tell you where they've been, > They tell you where to go, > But til you've been there YOURSELF > You never really know" > > So that even if you think you understand the song you can only relate to it on > your own terms. It's so brilliant on so many levels it blows me away - still, > to this day. I'll never forget singing it onstage with Mr. Paz playing > flawlessly & beautifully behind me. He played real good for free and made me > forgive him for busting my King Cobra all over Ashara's kitchen floor. > > Bob > > NP: Heartless Bastards, "Swamp Song" > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:03:48 -0600 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 15:55:39 -0800 (PST) Em wrote: > But I think the "it was just a false alarm" line now >strikes me as > tragic. > "I almost flew". Gotta be frustrating. > I can see how the traveling would be healing. But not >"easy" healing. > Hard, abrasive healing. > Damn, now Amelia's too sad to listen to! I don't think there's any doubt that "it" is tragic--the mood of the performance, vocal and instrumental, speaks to that. I do feel healing there, albeit at the very beginning of the process. "Amelia" is certainly in my "Joni top 5", maybe even #1 (but too hard to choose). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:33:51 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: why the world (should) hate the US Bree, you were too easy on us. Remember these? * We vote down reducing green house gas emmisions * We skirt the Geneva Convention. (Holy Taylor Ham! What would Jesus say?) * Our music exports a violent fever * Our TV programming exports a violent fever * Our movies... (I'm sure you see the pattern) * We didn't act in Rawanda Jim np: "California" played by JM & JT at the Paris Theatre in '69 for the BBC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:02:19 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Don's Solo Does anyone have a copy of Don's Solo from Shadows and Light? Or the whole Japanese version of the album that includes Black Crow, Free Man In Paris and Don's Solo, zipped. I only have the Australian version and those tracks are missing. I have managed to download a poor copy of Black Crow and Free Man In Paris but, still missing Don's Solo. Please e-mail me off list if you can help. Thanks. Mark in Sydney. NP You Dream Flat Tires (Live At Red Rocks) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:53:23 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: what was just a false alarm? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Em" > "I almost flew". Gotta be frustrating. consider this from her very first album: My gentle relations Have names they must call me For loving the freedom Of all flying things Or the song 'Black Crow' also from 'Hejira'. I've always thought that flight was a recurring image with definite meaning for Joni. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #321 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)