From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #313 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, November 5 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 313 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Remix Project [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Desktop Pic #7 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #312 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Desktop Pic #8 [Mark-Leon Thorne ] My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn [JasonMaloney71@aol.com] Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set ["Marianne Rizzo" ] Banquet - a drug song??? ["mia ortlieb" ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? [Gary Z ] Joni Mitchell Online Birthday! ["Thomas Callahan" ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? ["Mark Scott" ] Re: For free [Smurf ] Re: For free [Em ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? [Gary Z ] Re: Banquet - a drug song??? ["mia ortlieb" ] RE: Banquet - a drug song??? ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Amelia ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn [Box of Paints ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:31:58 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Joni Remix Project Hi Nuri. I actually do have all of those mixes and yes, I could easily download them too. There are probably more bootleg mixes of it floating around out there. I decided not to include them because they are only small samples. It's really all Janet. I'd rather have all Joni. Remixed, rather than samples. If this remix project really drags on far too long and I just can't find enough to fill the disc, I will reconsider putting "Got till It's Gone" on it. As it is, there are already 6 remixes of Big Yellow Taxi. The tracks so far for those who are interested are: 1. Fun, Fun, Fun (Cabbage Head Mix) (sampled from the Isle of Wight Festival) 2. Like Woodstock (a mash-up of Joni with Soundgarden and samples from the Woodstock Festival) 3. Big Yellow Taxi ("Friends" Version) 4. Conversation (mikey Palms Remix) 5. Big Yellow Taxi (Double Esspresson NRG Mix) 6. The Jungle Line (Gerime Gungle Mix) (mixed by JMDL's Gerime - the mix name was my idea) 7. Woodstock (Angry Mexican DJs Mix) 8. Big Yellow Taxi (Traffic Jam Mix) 9. Shiny Toys (Francois Kevorkian Remix) 10. Big Yellow Taxi (N.Y. Cab To Club Mix) 11. Impossible Dreamer/Heaven (Joni and Miles Jaye - another mash-up by a JMDLer) 12. Big Yellow Taxi (Late Nite Club Mix) 13. Big Yellow Taxi (Tribal Dub) 14. Songs To Aging Children Come (Kodomotach Remix) (Susuma Yokoda - thanks to Bob for this one) Mark in Sydney NP Big Yellow Taxi - ("Friends" Version) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 22:00:14 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #7 Hi folks. Here is another desktop pic for your enjoyment. This is my take on Impossible Dreamer. Feedback is welcome. Download the widescreen here http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2XM2WRATH3IH42L1ARKV0C05OR 1280 X 1024 here http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UDAQFPIWWZ820SG3QS8M3CQT Mark in Sydney NP Impossible Dreamer - JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 07:20:25 EST From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #312 Re: Laura and Joni A recurring theme indeed. Laura was "out there" in the Sixties in the way Joni was "out there" in the Seventies - on her own, daring to be different, inspiring and trailblazing. If it hadn't been for Laura, would there have been a Joni - or, at least, the sort of Joni we know and love? Then again, it could be asked whether, had there not been a Carole, talking about the rain in September and a-loco-ing the Loco-motion, would there have been a Laura? Pointless, really, but it's good to be able to trace the line. Much Joni indeedy! Rob NP Absolute by Scritti Politti Rob Steen 3 Langton Terrace Falmouth Cornwall TR11 2NA 01326 316289 (h) 07813 668726 (mob) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:44:32 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #8 Wow, that was quick. Sitting at home alone on a Friday night. Here's another desktop pic. This time it's, See You Sometime. 1024 X 640 http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0K72O2Y25FKIG255U0JLX1TI1G 1280 X 1024 http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=25QKS2XC6BGGN0CI1ENZ3NYXRO Mark in Sydney NP Winter Lady - Gary Z ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:42:47 EST From: JasonMaloney71@aol.com Subject: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn The "rarely played" promotional music video for My Secret Place appears on the DVD of photographer/director Anton Corbijn's work, which came out a couple of weeks back. It's one of the main reasons I decided to get the DVD, as well as the presence of his work with David Sylvian, Depeche Mode, Echo & The Bunnymen and others. I'd never seen the clip before, and was incredibly curious! In Corbijn's handwritten notes, he mentions that Joni sought his services after seeing one of his Depeche Mode videos from 1987 - she liked the shots of fields in grainy B&W, so that was probably Never Let Me Down Again. I was quite pleased to discover this, as a huge DM fan and someone who ranks My Secret Place at, or very near, the top of his favourite Joni songs. Does anyone know what Joni made of the finished product? Corbijn doesn't say, or whether they subsequently worked together again either in video or photographic terms. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:24:57 -0500 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set From: Gary Z >>"Willy" at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not >>familiar with this show, I believe it is her American debut, and she also >>performs "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" >>and "For Free" all I can say is that the performance is so honest. . . so real. . . that is where I want to be. LOve Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:44:00 -0600 From: roberto munguia Subject: Re: Desktop Pic #7 Mark GOOD ONE!! This is one my favorite Joni songs. It got me through a tough time, and inspired some writing, as well. Keep it up! Roberto in Dallas On 11/4/05, Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > > Hi folks. Here is another desktop pic for your enjoyment. This is my > take on Impossible Dreamer. Feedback is welcome. > > Download the widescreen here > http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2XM2WRATH3IH42L1ARKV0C05OR > > 1280 X 1024 here > http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UDAQFPIWWZ820SG3QS8M3CQT > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Impossible Dreamer - JM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:07:04 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Banquet - a drug song??? I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this passage about the song Banquet: "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum brown bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among musicians, including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on the album, 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that drugs can also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that others see religion or travel." I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was a song about the haves and the have nots. Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:16:37 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? > I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this passage > about the song Banquet: > > "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the > reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum brown > bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among musicians, > including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on the album, > 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that drugs can > also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that others > see religion or travel." > > I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was a song > about the haves and the have nots. > > Mia > She is probably referring to: Some turn to Jesus And some turn to heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 10:15:52 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? Hi Mia, Maybe it's just the line..."Some turn to Jesus...some turn to heroin..." that brings the drug subject into the discussion. Dunno...just my two cents.... Best regards, Gary mia ortlieb wrote: > I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this > passage about the song Banquet: > > "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into > the reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum > brown bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace > among musicians, including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, > another song on the album, 'Banquet', acknowledges without any > judgmental intervention that drugs can also hold the promise of > escapism and enlightenment, in the way that others see religion or > travel." > > I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was > a song about the haves and the have nots. > > Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:38:54 +0000 From: "Thomas Callahan" Subject: Joni Mitchell Online Birthday! Greetings, Join '60's Chicks', Free Online Radio at Live365.com, for a Ten Minute Musical Birthday Spotlight on singer, songwriter, poet & painter, Joni Mitchell, Monday, November 7th at 9am (PST) repeated at 3 & 6pm. If you miss the specials, Joni's music is always part of '60's Chicks' programming. Enjoy, Tom Callahan '60's Chicks' Groovy Music by Women 24/7 Free Online Radio at Live365.com http://live365.com/stations/tc_60s_ent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:19:37 +0100 From: "mike pritchard" Subject: For free From the Economist style guide: "Free is an adjective or an adverb, so you cannot have or do anything for free. Either you have it free or you have it for nothing." What would Joni say? mike in barcelona NP Solaris - Photek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 09:47:35 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" ??? >> I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this >> passage >> about the song Banquet: >> >> "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the >> reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum brown >> bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among >> musicians, >> including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on the >> album, >> 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that drugs >> can >> also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that >> others >> see religion or travel." >> >> I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it was a >> song >> about the haves and the have nots. >> >> Mia >> > She is probably referring to: > > Some turn to Jesus > And some turn to heroin > Some turn to rambling round > Looking for a clean sky I'm sure this is the line Karen is referring to but I think she misses the point. Joni's talking about the choices people make. Maybe she's implying that people turn to one or the other for the same or similar reasons but I don't think Joni is equating one with the other (Jesus or religion = heroin or drugs = enlightenment). Just my 2 cents. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 09:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: Smurf Subject: Re: For free Oh no! She'll be shaken all the way to her reoccurring, clandestine jewellllllllllllllllllllllllllllls. - --Smurf mike pritchard wrote: From the Economist style guide: "Free is an adjective or an adverb, so you cannot have or do anything for free. Either you have it free or you have it for nothing." What would Joni say? mike in barcelona NP Solaris - Photek - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 10:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: Em Subject: Re: For free that "for free" is an idiomatic expression, and is "therefore free" of the rules and regs. ;) em - --- mike pritchard wrote: > From the Economist style guide: > > "Free is an adjective or an adverb, so you cannot have or do anything > for > free. Either you have it free or you have it for nothing." > > What would Joni say? > > mike in barcelona > NP Solaris - Photek ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 14:44:39 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? Yes, agreed, Mark, In my humble opinion, the fuller picture is: "Some turn to Jesus Some turn to heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky, and a drinking stream..." a few options here... Best regards, Gary Mark Scott wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Notaro" > ??? > > >>> I'm reading Karen O'Brien's "Shadows and Light" and ran across this >>> passage >>> about the song Banquet: >>> >>> "Drugs are de-romanticised [in Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire] into the >>> reality of 'Red water in the the bathroom sink, Fever and the scum >>> brown >>> bowl' but given that drug use was - and is - so commonplace among >>> musicians, >>> including many of Mitchell's friends at the time, another song on >>> the album, >>> 'Banquet', acknowledges without any judgmental intervention that >>> drugs can >>> also hold the promise of escapism and enlightenment, in the way that >>> others >>> see religion or travel." >>> >>> I'm confused... how is "Banquet" a drug song? I always though it >>> was a song >>> about the haves and the have nots. >>> >>> Mia >>> >> She is probably referring to: >> >> Some turn to Jesus >> And some turn to heroin >> Some turn to rambling round >> Looking for a clean sky > > > I'm sure this is the line Karen is referring to but I think she misses > the point. Joni's talking about the choices people make. Maybe she's > implying that people turn to one or the other for the same or similar > reasons but I don't think Joni is equating one with the other (Jesus > or religion = heroin or drugs = enlightenment). > > Just my 2 cents. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:00:43 -0600 From: "mia ortlieb" Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? <> I don't get that either. Can heroin be enlightening? How about watching the paint peel - enlightening? Or watching the kids grow = escapism? I don't think you can separate the last four lines of this verse from the first four. "Some turn to Jesus Some turn to Heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky and drinking stream. Some watch the paint peel off Some watch the kids grow Some watch their stocks and bonds Waiting for that big deal American Dream." What I love about these lines is that Joni really nails human choices in a nutshell kinda way: Religion Drugs Nature Family Simplicity Goals Which choice did Joni focus on? Probably the looking for a clean sky and drinking stream as "Banquet" was written about the time in her life she got back to the garden in B.C.. What a great song! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 16:56:47 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Banquet - a drug song??? ON the other hand, Jesus, heroin, and wanderlust are all drugs of a sort. Like love / the strongest poison and medicine of all. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mia ortlieb Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 4:01 PM To: mark.travis@gte.net; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Banquet - a drug song??? <> I don't get that either. Can heroin be enlightening? How about watching the paint peel - enlightening? Or watching the kids grow = escapism? I don't think you can separate the last four lines of this verse from the first four. "Some turn to Jesus Some turn to Heroin Some turn to rambling round Looking for a clean sky and drinking stream. Some watch the paint peel off Some watch the kids grow Some watch their stocks and bonds Waiting for that big deal American Dream." What I love about these lines is that Joni really nails human choices in a nutshell kinda way: Religion Drugs Nature Family Simplicity Goals Which choice did Joni focus on? Probably the looking for a clean sky and drinking stream as "Banquet" was written about the time in her life she got back to the garden in B.C.. What a great song! Mia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 22:21:14 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Amelia Oh! Oh! Dear Jerry, you wouldn't have to twist my arm very hard! I was going to do all original compositions because I couldn't afford the mechanical royalties on covers to sell as many CD's as I'd like to sell with this next one but if there were a way to do it, I would! Don't you just love this song???!!! I go into a zone everytime I hear it. I would do it as a "Tribute to Joni" for one of the best songs ever written. Wouldn't that be something? I get so emotional every time I hear it! I love and admire this woman so much for putting something like that out and allowing us into her soul to hear it! It's like you are privileged to witness a once in a lifetime event! No Jerry, you wouldn't have to twist my arm very hard. If there is any way I can do that I will. It is a perfect choice! Love, Sherelle Jerry wrote: I decided yesterday while listening to one of the King of Covers' cd that Sherelle MUST cover Amelia on her next cd! I'm starting day one of that campaign. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 23:51:37 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Re: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn Hi Jase > Does anyone know what Joni made of the finished product? Corbijn doesn't > say, or whether they subsequently worked together again either in video or > photographic terms. > > Jason. > I love that video too! One of the ones that really work because like Joni's writing, it's specific and universal at the same time, and beautifully shot - typically Corbijn's work though. I don't thnk they worked together after that, there isn't any evidence of any stills going around of the video shoot or anything similar... but he does like Depeche Mode as he seems to do their pphotoshoots all the time check out http://www.corbijn.co.uk When I was studying art I mentioned that I liked Anton Corbijn's work and my art teachers were a little sniffy about him and preferred his sister as a photographer but I can't remember her name. Is the dvd a good collection? I know that I'd love a copy of it as I love the promo for My Secret Place. Much Joni Jamie Zoob - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:37:29 EST From: JasonMaloney71@aol.com Subject: Re: My Secret Place / Joni & Corbijn (SJC) Hi Jamie, Many thanks for the info - the DVD was kind of an impulse buy, although I was vaguely aware of these Director's Series releases from seeing them in WORD or MOJO recently. I've always associated Corbijn with acts like Depeche Mode and Echo & The Bunnymen, I had no idea Joni had worked with him! The disc has 30 of Corbijn's music videos, in chronological order (his very first one, for a German act in 1983 is included within the extras section), and many of those 30 are rather lost treasures - Propaganda's Dr Mabuse, David Sylvian's defining Red Guitar, the marvellous Seven Seas clip for the Bunnymen...right up to his clip for the Killer's reissued All These Things That I've Done. You also get tons of interviews, commentaries for the videos, a brand-new documentary on his career...plus a wonderful handwritten booklet (there are 2 outtake stills from the My Secret Place shoot in there). All for about the price of a normal audio CD! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:39:34 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Desktop Pic #9 Here's another desktop pic for you, folks. It may be a little busy for your desktop though. I could hardly do Chelsea Morning in muted tones. 1024 X 640 here http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1BB2K19ADCSY41KJ5IZC3P6TEV 1280 X 1024 here http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0MELHKDV4P6MC25YWL0BUTRXH6 Mark in Sydney NP Way of The World - Max Q ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #313 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)