From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #311 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, November 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 311 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- joni remixed [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Joni Remix Project [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Amelia [Bob Muller ] Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set [Gary Z ] Re: Amelia [Jerry Notaro ] Amelia ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set ["Mark Scott" ] No Apologies [Box of Paints ] RE: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set ["Bree Mcdonough" ] Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set [Marksa973@aol.com] Judy Collins at the Moore Theatre ["Mark Scott" ] RE: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Amelia [Box of Paints ] Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set [Gary Z ] Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set [roberto munguia ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:31:25 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: joni remixed Hi Mike. I'm the one putting together the Joni Remixed project. Not quite enough to fill a CD yet so, I'm still looking for more. If you have any or made any, please just e-mail them to me. Prefer mp3 format but .flac is fine too. Just not that dreaded .wma format. Can't convert that to anything. Thanks Mark in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:35:53 +1100 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Joni Remix Project Hi Roberto in Dallas and anyone else interested in remixes and mash-ups of Joni's songs. I have been putting together a CD compilation of Joni remixed which has been on hold for a while because I haven't received any new mixes and there isn't enough to fill the disc yet. When it is finally finished, I will be making it available to the list, much like Bob does with the covers project. So, if anyone has any more mixes, mash-ups or single edits of Joni, please e-mail them to me off list in mp3 format or .flac. Mark in Sydney NP Conversation (Mikey Palms Remix) - JM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 03:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Amelia Well, she was definitely in the zone, she could really think deeply as she was isolated on a road trip, and then there were those illicit substances that she was dabbling with at the time. Whatever it was, it was the perfect combination. Bob NP: Supertramp, "Even In The Quietest Moments" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 07:22:20 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the final credits of the show. The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick Cavett. But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! Best regards, Gary Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:15:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Amelia I decided yesterday while listening to one of the King of Covers' cd that Sherelle MUST cover Amelia on her next cd! I'm starting day one of that campaign. Jerry > I think she was very much in tune with her intuition, subconscious, > whatever you want to call it. > > Why am I referring to her in the past tense? > > A conjurer, she is. > > :) > > At 07:47 PM 11/1/2005, Catherine McKay wrote: > >> I wonder if she spent a long time working on that >> stuff or if it just kind of came to her unbidden. It's >> a gift. >> >> Catherine >> Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 08:52:52 -0800 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Amelia Mark >To me, Amelia was a symbol of choosing freedom over the possible confinement of a relationship yet, winding up with the inevitable regret. With that knowledge of past experiences, we can feel torn. Is this others' take on Amelia too or am I way off the mark?< I agree & the setting-- the vast desert landscape & the vast open skies where Amelia & Iccurus fly... all this amplifies the emotion of finding freedom where nothing can confine... yet the lonliness is also as immense in such a limitless place ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 10:06:06 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Z" I recommend this highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" > at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar > with this show, I believe it is her American debut, and she also performs > "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For > Free" were still unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was > fun to see Joni dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane > played during the final credits of the show. Thank you for reminding me of this, Gary. I'm going to have to hunt it down. Joni's performances really are stellar and she is radiant on the program she appears on. I also love the fact that right after Joni finishes 'Willy', the first person on her feet, applauding enthusiastically is Grace Slick. Nice to know that one of my idols appreciates the other so much. I often wonder if Joni would have performed 'Willy' if Graham Nash had been there. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:14:16 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: No Apologies It's bizarre... In "No Apologies" Joni writes about the rape of a young Japanese girl by 3 US Servicemen. ON HER BIRTHDAY in 1995 is the day that the 3 servicemen in Okinawa plead guilty about the incident. How to celebrate your birthday... Top tip from Joni: Watch the news, get depressed and write about the world... ;-) http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20051031-011601-4568r Hope everyone is well... Much Joni Jamie Zoob - -- I am a lonely Painter I live in a Box of Paints I'm frightened by the devil But I'm drawn to those ones that 'aint afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 13:46:53 -0500 From: "Bree Mcdonough" Subject: RE: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We ordered our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of the Airplane and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just momentary...but they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are looking forward to George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen before. I'd like to hear some of the thoughts of the performers as well as the audience today about that show. (especially from the guy who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) I laughed when Stills said he literally just got here from Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is still on my pants." Bree >I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set >yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view >the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? > >Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a >couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but >seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty >terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with >Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this >highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano >brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I >believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," >"For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still >unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni >dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the >final credits of the show. > >The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: >Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex >Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy >Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests >that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The >Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) >and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick >Cavett. > >But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! > >Best regards, > >Gary >Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 14:04:44 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I remember being riveted to the television and seeing the original broadcast. It felt like history in the making, and it was. Jerry > Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We ordered > our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of the Airplane > and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just momentary...but > they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are looking forward to > George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen before. I'd like to hear > some of the thoughts of the performers as well as the audience today about > that show. (especially from the guy who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) > I laughed when Stills said he literally just got here from > Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is still on my pants." > > > Bree > >> I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set >> yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view >> the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? >> >> Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a >> couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but >> seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty >> terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with >> Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this >> highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano >> brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I >> believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," >> "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still >> unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni >> dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the >> final credits of the show. >> >> The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: >> Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex >> Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy >> Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests >> that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The >> Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) >> and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick >> Cavett. >> >> But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gary >> Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:04:18 EST From: Marksa973@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I heard one of the reasons Grace stood up and cheered so enthusiastically is because it took Joni several "takes" to get through the song. When she finally got it right, everyone was thrilled for her. In fact, I think I just read that a few weeks ago here on the list from someone who recalled being there for the taping and sitting for hours on the hard floor in a hot, stuffy studio. I guess I had always assumed the show was broadcast live, but I guess it wasn't. I also read somewhere that Grace remains in awe of Joni, saw her somewhere in LA and couldn't work up the nerve to go over and talk to her. Hard to believe Grace without "the nerve" to do anything, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Mark In a message dated 11/2/2005 1:20:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: I also love the fact that right after Joni finishes 'Willy', the first person on her feet, applauding enthusiastically is Grace Slick. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:39:09 -0800 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Judy Collins at the Moore Theatre I had been aware for some time that Judy Collins was going to appear at the Moore Theatre in Seattle on the 1st of November. But I hesitated about making a commitment to attending the concert. None of my close friends are enough into Judy to really want to go and there was always the possibility that I might be working at a new job and wouldn't want to do a concert on a week night. But as it happens, I am still looking for a job and when I checked the ticket situation out on Hallowe'en night, there was a seat in row J of the center section on the floor. Respectable enough. In the Moore, an old theatre, fairly small with wonderful acoustics, there really isn't a bad seat. Row J center was actually just about ideal. The more I thought about it, the more I thought I really should grab the chance to see Judy, a legendary singer and one of Joni's first advocates. So I bought the ticket and went. I am so glad I did. Judy Collins' voice is a bit of a miracle. In her 60s, it is still as clear, pure and beautiful as it was back in the 1960s. Her range seems fairly intact as well. It was thrilling to hear her sing live. Over the past few years I have become a confirmed fan of Judy's. For years I thought of her as a singer with a pretty voice who did nice covers of other people's songs and wrote rather precious songs of her own. My opinion has altered considerably. Yes, she had and still has a beautiful voice but she also has other qualities that I had not given her credit for. Her taste in material over the years has hit consistently high levels of quality, particularly in her records of the 60s and she infuses everything she sings with genuine passion. She is also a fine piano player and many of the songs she has herself written are beautiful pieces of art that resonate with emotional honesty. She opened her set with a song that I didn't recognize about greeting a friend. It was a great opener, aptly setting the tone for the show. Her second number was a slightly up-tempo version of 'Someday Soon' which is one of my favorites in her repertoire. Judy Collins shares a lot in her performance. She kept up what amounted to a running monologue between songs all during the concert, telling stories about her life and singing snatches of songs a capella as they fit into her narrative. She did an a cappella rendition of 'Last Night I Had the Strangest Dream', following up it's message of peace with an appeal to 'write your congressman'. She also invited the audience to sing along on the choruses of 'Cat's in the Cradle'. I felt an emotional connection with her as I sang, thinking about my own father who passed away almost a year ago and feeling certain that Judy was thinking about her son on some level of her consciousness. I think Judy performed her entire repertoire of Joni Mitchell songs (except 'Michael From Mountains') and for that reason I am not tagging this post njc. She introduced 'Chelsea Morning' by saying she has always loved the writing of Joni Mitchell. She got tangled up with lyrics on the second verse of 'That Song About the Midway,' repeating 'you were playing like a devil wearing wings' instead of singing 'you were betting on some lover..' but she managed to get back on track in time to sing 'pack it in, I heard you did'. She said she had always wanted to record that song but never did until her latest cd. 'Both Sides Now' was performed with Judy strumming her 12-string Judy Collins signature guitar ('when you buy one, half the proceeds go to United Way and half go to Amnesty International') with her accompanist/arranger playing the grand piano behind her. Judy switched between guitar, electric keyboard and grand piano. There were some programmed drums and strings on one or two numbers. Otherwise the concert was all piano and guitar. She played the keyboard as she sang 'Suzanne', introducing the song with her story about Leonard Cohen performing it for her after telling her 'I can't sing, I can't play and I don't know if these are really songs'. Her vocal was beautiful here but it had a bit of an echoing, reverb effect that I could have done without and I missed the simple guitar accompaniment from the original. Judy Collins was born in Seattle and there were various members of her family in the house. She sat at the grand piano and told a story of finding a letter from her great-grandmother at a family gathering that had been tucked into a book. She recited the contents of the letter and then gave a poignant, exquisite rendition of 'Secret Gardens', a song I will now have a new appreciation for. And before I forget, Bob Muller will be glad to know that Judy sang part of 'You've Got to Be Carefully Taught' when she was reminiscing about music her father had loved. She made some comments about how some people learn faster than others in reference to the song. She also did a surprising and wonderful rendition of the standard 'Where or When', starting the song a capella with the piano joining in. There was a song she had written for the firefighters that saved so many lives at the World Trade Center on 9/11 that was very moving and another she wrote for New Orleans after Katrina. She said since she wasn't able to go down to Louisiana and physically help out, she had to write a song instead. Her encore was 'Send in the Clowns', a lovely way to end a lovely musical experience. I have to say a few words about the opening act. Kenny White is a New York artist recently signed to Judy's Wildflower label. His songs are kind of rambling and quirky and full of insight and sardonic wit. There were also a couple of very beautiful ballads thrown in the mix. But what stands out about this guy, and it *really* stands out, is his piano playing. It is not just your standard Billy Joel, Carole King, Elton John, Joni Mitchell type of piano accompaniment to pop songs. It is virtuoso. It is epic. It is all up and down the keyboard with amazing agility and skill. You could imagine this guy playing Rachmaninoff. He has two cds out and I highly recommend checking them out. His website says he has played with Cheryl Wheeler so maybe Ashara or some of you have heard of him. He did a song that was a very wicked and apt skewering of Pat Robertson that got a very nice positive reaction from the audience. Judy later referred to Pat when she sang that little bit of 'You've Got to Be Carefully Taught.' I am very happy that I did not pass up the chance to see Judy Collins. It is obvious that she knows that her voice is her greatest gift and she uses it with great skill and passion. She is a treasure and it's great that she still has the ability to thrill with the liquid silver that is her wonderful singing voice. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 14:37:13 -0500 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set This is a great set, but I have to say that my favorite parts of the three DVD set were the Janis Joplin shows. First because Janis is pretty articulate and Dick Cavett has an obvious affection for her. The other thing I like (aside from having the historic post-Woodstock show in excellent quality) is the fact that the entire talk shows are here. It's pretty amazing to look at the relatively high quality of talk-show discourse on Cavett and compare it to our sound bite talk-show culture of today. The musical guests, for instance, don't just play at the end of the show, they play early and then engage in the conversation. And the guests don't come on one at a time to plug their latest product, but they stay for the duration of the show and actually talk relatively intelligently about current events. Janis matching wits with Raquel Welch might sound like a bad joke, but it's pretty amazing to see these celebrities actually sparring (quite civilly). And they sound _smart_! I recommend this set to everyone. It's given me hours of pleasure. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Notaro Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 2:05 PM To: Bree Mcdonough; nyro_in_detroit@comcast.net; Joni List Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set I remember being riveted to the television and seeing the original broadcast. It felt like history in the making, and it was. Jerry > Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We ordered > our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of the Airplane > and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just momentary...but > they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are looking forward to > George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen before. I'd like to hear > some of the thoughts of the performers as well as the audience today about > that show. (especially from the guy who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) > I laughed when Stills said he literally just got here from > Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is still on my pants." > > > Bree > >> I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set >> yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did view >> the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? >> >> Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed them a >> couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere among us) but >> seeing the complete show was really great! And the quality is pretty >> terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and she appears along with >> Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David Crosby. I recommend this >> highly, and must admit, that seeing her perform "Willy" at the piano >> brought tears to my eyes. For those who are not familiar with this show, I >> believe it is her American debut, and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," >> "For Free" and "Fiddle and the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still >> unreleased songs at the time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni >> dancing with some guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the >> final credits of the show. >> >> The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following guests: >> Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie Wonder, Tex >> Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, Ravi Shankar, Jerzy >> Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon Singers. There are other guests >> that appear on these discs as well, including Elsa Lanchester, The >> Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) >> and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus material includes an interview with Dick >> Cavett. >> >> But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gary >> Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 21:02:28 +0100 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: Early Joni Mitchell Hello, Thank you for your answers to my question about 'earliness'. I feel privileged to have such a competent 'panel' to consult for such issues - - thanks a lot to all of you! Definitions are important in academic texts - so thanks for giving me some input on the topic! Jim, I particularly liked your comment that there is no 'language police' at JMDL - it's a relief to know that there is no one there to 'arrest me' for including the 'wrong' songs in a certain period. :) (Your post never seemed to reach the 'digest', so I included it below as I thought it was a very interesting contribution) I agree with you that 'early' is a subjective term depending on the person using it - although I was curious to know whether such clear lines existed (common Joni-sense, etc.) I have the impression that something drastic happened after Blue - her withdrawal, depression and the 'shamanic inversion': Joni changed and her music changed with her. My reason for asking is the fact that I have to select only a handful of songs to work with - and it is easier to do if I concentrate on a fairly 'homogenous' bunch of songs, that is; one distinct period. I'm finding it hard to choose - it takes time to plunge into the very depths of each song - after all, her music is designed to wear a lifetime... And as I see it, each song seems to resonate somewhat differently with you as your experience grows and life changes. Warm regards, Karen Marie On 10/29/05, Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama wrote: > Hi Karen, > > "Early" is defined by the person using the word. To me, it means your first > definition ("helium" voice, no band) but not your second (Miles of Aisles). > There are no language police on the JMDL enforcing such definitions; >>We > come for conversation>>. (Hi Patti.) > > I guess "early" to me means the first recordings because I first thought of > her as a writing and recording artist. In addition to the characteristics > you mentioned, I'd add these: > * primary colors and intricate detail in her visual art > * The lyrics are about a single character, usually with a minimal storyline, > like "Nathan LaFranier", or "Marcie". (There are many exceptions, like "Both > Sides Now".) > * Almost exclusively songs written on guitar > > For me, the early period was over when she added these: > * Songs written on piano, dulcimer, electric guitar, built up from loops > * Jazz influenced sidemen > * Traditional "pop record" production with layers and sound effects, as in > "Court & Spark" > * Lyrics which had real stories like "Edith and the Kingpin". > * "Amelia" and "Ludwig's Tune" were inspired by historical figures which I > don't THINK happened in the early period. > * Collaborations on the artwork and using mixed media. "The Hissing of > Summer Lawns", "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" > > >>And you know there may be more>>. (Hi again, Patti.) > > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu > Dayton, OH, US > > > Karen Marie Espeland asked, > >What would you say "Early Joni Mitcell" would refer to?> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:33:03 +0000 From: Box of Paints Subject: Re: Amelia Why are you referring to her in the past tense? because she hasn't written anything for the present! Ha ha... No, Amelia is one of those songs that arrives like an aeroplane and then, just while the glory of it hits you, will leave and fade away into the horizon, like an aeroplane, from the first chordal movement to the last fade out. The song, conceived as a whole like that, I believe... definitely in the zone. You know how sometimes you get Joni's songs written out with tiny scribblings out? I know I have seen some examples of this for auction on eBay and they've always seemed to me like they were just splurged out onto the page, with very little need for correction.... maybe she writes out all her songs like that after she's written them. I know, for example that All I Want was VERY different to how it ends up in Blue as the 'Pink Dress Concert' will bear testimony to (it was called 'All I Wanted' and is quite forlorn, in a way that All I Want is very hopeful and playful. Another Joni Mondegreen: A friend of mine who I turned to the Dark Cafe thought that in All I Want she sang: "Oh, I love you some, I Love you some, I Love your summer pudding..." I guess he never pays attention to the words... trouble is whenever I get to that point, all I hear is Summer pudding... Much Joni Jamie Zoob On 02/11/05, Annie wrote: > I think she was very much in tune with her intuition, subconscious, > whatever you want to call it. > > Why am I referring to her in the past tense? > > A conjurer, she is. > > :) > > At 07:47 PM 11/1/2005, Catherine McKay wrote: > > >I wonder if she spent a long time working on that > >stuff or if it just kind of came to her unbidden. It's > >a gift. > > > >Catherine > >Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 19:02:02 -0500 From: Gary Z Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set Yes, Bree, I did notice that momentary giggle - I don't know if the Jefferson Airplane were passing around a joke or what, I'm not sure I think that they were reacting to Joni's performance, and I think they were high ;-), but Cavett kind of giggled a bit later on, and to me, it reminded me of myself - sometimes when I've heard something that is just so moving, that touches me so deeply, I've let out an involuntary giggle, just as an emotional release. It's a strange reaction, but it certainly has happened to me when I've listened to Joni and Laura Nyro, and I believe that is what was happening with Cavett too. Those people had just never heard anyone like Joni before, and the audience appeared awestruck and spellbound. I wonder if Stills saved his dried mud?? LOL Gary Bree Mcdonough wrote: > Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We > ordered our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of > the Airplane and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just > momentary...but they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are > looking forward to George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen > before. I'd like to hear some of the thoughts of the performers as > well as the audience today about that show. (especially from the guy > who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) I laughed when Stills said he > literally just got here from Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is > still on my pants." > > > Bree > >> I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set >> yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did >> view the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? >> >> Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed >> them a couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere >> among us) but seeing the complete show was really great! And the >> quality is pretty terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and >> she appears along with Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David >> Crosby. I recommend this highly, and must admit, that seeing her >> perform "Willy" at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who >> are not familiar with this show, I believe it is her American debut, >> and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and >> the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still unreleased songs at the >> time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni dancing with some >> guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the final credits of >> the show. >> >> The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following >> guests: Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie >> Wonder, Tex Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, >> Ravi Shankar, Jerzy Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon >> Singers. There are other guests that appear on these discs as well, >> including Elsa Lanchester, The Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot >> Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus >> material includes an interview with Dick Cavett. >> >> But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gary >> Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:18:41 -0600 From: roberto munguia Subject: Re: Joni on the Dick Cavett DVD Set Not to change the subject, but does someone else on this list LOVE LAURA NYRO?!?! I think it's tremendously sweet that Joni has good things to say about her( and not too many other female vocalists). There's a respect there that shows up in songs like Blue,and The Arrangement. Does anyone out there know where I can read more about Joni's impressions concerning Laura? Just think! TWO BRILLIANT SINGER-SONGWRITERS IN OUR LIFETIME! Roberto in Dallas On 11/2/05, Gary Z wrote: > > Yes, Bree, I did notice that momentary giggle - I don't know if the > Jefferson Airplane were passing around a joke or what, I'm not sure I > think that they were reacting to Joni's performance, and I think they > were high ;-), but Cavett kind of giggled a bit later on, and to me, it > reminded me of myself - sometimes when I've heard something that is just > so moving, that touches me so deeply, I've let out an involuntary > giggle, just as an emotional release. It's a strange reaction, but it > certainly has happened to me when I've listened to Joni and Laura Nyro, > and I believe that is what was happening with Cavett too. Those people > had just never heard anyone like Joni before, and the audience appeared > awestruck and spellbound. > > I wonder if Stills saved his dried mud?? LOL > > Gary > > Bree Mcdonough wrote: > > > Right you are..Gary! Marianne and I are enjoying this now. We > > ordered our's from Netflix. Did you notice the giggles from some of > > the Airplane and Dick Cavett when Joni was performing? It was just > > momentary...but they and the audience seemed mesmerized. We are > > looking forward to George Harrison's segment which I haven't seen > > before. I'd like to hear some of the thoughts of the performers as > > well as the audience today about that show. (especially from the guy > > who was dancing with Joni. Cute! ) I laughed when Stills said he > > literally just got here from Woodstock...then said .."See the mud is > > still on my pants." > > > > > > Bree > > > >> I was able to pick up the Dick Cavett Show//Rock Icons 3 DVD set > >> yesterday. I haven't watched the whole thing yet, but of course, did > >> view the Joni segment. Has anyone else picked this up yet? > >> > >> Many of you may have seen these performances on VH1 when they showed > >> them a couple of years back, (or perhaps they are treed somewhere > >> among us) but seeing the complete show was really great! And the > >> quality is pretty terrific. Joni's show is dated August 19, 1969 and > >> she appears along with Jefferson Airplane, Stephen Stills and David > >> Crosby. I recommend this highly, and must admit, that seeing her > >> perform "Willy" at the piano brought tears to my eyes. For those who > >> are not familiar with this show, I believe it is her American debut, > >> and she also performs "Chelsea Morning," "For Free" and "Fiddle and > >> the Drum." "Willy" and "For Free" were still unreleased songs at the > >> time this program aired. It was fun to see Joni dancing with some > >> guy too, as the Jefferson Airplane played during the final credits of > >> the show. > >> > >> The other discs that I haven't viewed yet contain the following > >> guests: Sly and the Family Stone, David Bowie, Janis Joplin, Stevie > >> Wonder, Tex Ritter, Gary Wright and Wonderwheel, George Harrison, > >> Ravi Shankar, Jerzy Kosinski, Paul Simon and The Jessy Dixon > >> Singers. There are other guests that appear on these discs as well, > >> including Elsa Lanchester, The Committee, Gloria Swanson, Margot > >> Kidder, Raquel Welch (on the Joplin show) and Debbie Reynolds. Bonus > >> material includes an interview with Dick Cavett. > >> > >> But Joni's performances are worth the price of the set alone! > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Gary > >> Detroit ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 18:45:27 -0800 (PST) From: Bob Muller Subject: Covers #70 - More Tricks & Treats OK, so once again another month is upon us - and it's time to break out another original and outlandish collection of recordings of folks who are so nutty about Joni they just have to put their admiration on record, or tape, or CD, or whatever. And as always I'm there to applaud them when they soar or catch them when they fall. Here's what November's chilly winds have blown in: 1. Sue & Sunny - Night In The City: A return to the project by Sue & Sunny, who turned in a cover of Michael From Mountains way back when. This track (an obscure b-side of a 45) features their harmony vocals, a chiming guitar sound, and a funky mariachi horn section. Definitely gets #70 off to a peppy albeit a semi-cheesy start. 2. David Hamilton - Both Sides Now: Oh, that dreaded cheesarama organ sound! I always envision some nerdy adult sitting in the shop window at the mall (I used to work next to a piano/organ store) and making you despise the current pop hits of the day on his Lowrey Genie. And with this track Hamilton ruins TWO songs as he does BSN as a medley with Raindrops Are Fallin' On My Head. If only the organ itself was falling on his head, then we'd be getting somewhere. 3. Sue Brenner - You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio: Sue pulls out all the country-pop stops with this one- so you get banjos- saxes, you name it. And even though Joni didn't write the song in your basic verse-chorus-verse setup, Sue insists on shuffling the lyrics around so that it appears that she did - not a totally bad thing because it makes you notice if you're trying to sing along. 4. Brian Kirk & The Jirks - Big Yellow Taxi: A live recording in the Counting Crows style. 5. Camp Walt Whitman - The Circle Game: They sing the body electric! I dunno who at these camps decides that it would a good idea to herd the campers up and record them, but they do, and invariably they pull out the ol' campfire favorite. This is from a full-length CD so I guess you could call this track a Whitman's sampler. 6. Screen Sound Orchestra - Both Sides Now: Amazing how many movie soundtrack albums BSN appears on, this one is more cheese but is highlighted by whoever is playing the flute and seems to want to break away from the pack and just does his/her own thing. 7. Jinny Sangorin - Carey: A pleasant and recent recording, Jinny is a Boston-area singer/actress and does a nice job with Carey, mantle-of-the-moon and all. 8. Buzz Toyz - Big Yellow Taxi: Coming in second place to Steely Dan in the "best band named for a dildo" category, this Wisconsin party band nevertheless turns in a hoppin', boppin', rockin' version of BYT. 9. The Cardinal Sinners - Blue: Acapella from Wesleyan University, and a really nice version of Blue with swelling, soaring harmonies. 10. The Paul Robinson Players - Cheese from down under. Needs more cowbell. 11. Sandra-Labarge Neumann - Fiddle & The Drum: From a Unitarian worship service - I'm sure she didn't think anyone would download it and put it to CD, but here it is. 12.The Come Dancing Orchestra - Big Yellow Taxi: Total synthetic yuck, sounds like video game music, or the music that plays over the closing credits of some ABC afterschool special or something. 13. Montreal Jazz Club - A Case Of You: Ah, at last, another track to rave about. This one is very classy, and is unique in that it is an INSTRUMENTAL version of ACOY. Most folks can't do the song without the awesome lyrics, but these cats just dig in and groove on the melody, with some nice touches by accordion, violins, piano - cafe music. 14. The Tigers - Both Sides Now: The Tigers were a Japanese Pop group from the sixties, and this live recording captures their teeny-bopper fans chiming in with some Beatlemania-like cheering. And they don't know how quite how to respond, since they really don't know crowds at all. 15. Herve Krief - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines: Another instrumental, so I guess in this case it's not a TRUE Joni cover but still is pretty interesting. It almost sounds like two recordings are taking place simultaneously, and there's some nice soloing as well. And I could be wrong, but they sample some spoken word which I believe is Charles Mingus. Interesting stuff. 16. Distant Cousins - Woodstock: A bluegrass cover from this Alabama band that puts a country spin on classic rock. Fun, and well done. Makes me want to canoe down the river with Burt Reynolds & Jon Voight. 17. Mary Catherine Reynolds - That Song About The Midway: I LOVE this one, a great match of song & singer. Mary Catherine has spent lots of time in the Austin area, and currently resides in OK City. Just her & her guitar, and that's gracious plenty. Two thumbs way up for her. 18. Dee & Vance - Both Sides Now: Dee sounds a little bit tentative but the fragility of her voice conveys a sense of tenderness and anxiety that works fairly well. The guitar part is exactly what Joni plays on the album. 19. Rhona - For Free: Go tell Aunt Rhona, go tell aunt Rhona, go tell Aunt Rho-ho-na, to please stop singing this song. 20. Duo Latte - Woodstock: From Noway, a highly enjoyable voice-tuba duo that are very talented and just give themselves lots of room to stretch & play - at one point the Tuba player (Tubist?) breaks out into Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust" which is just a scream. 21. Joan Crowe - Twisted: This cabaret performer starts this one out by almost making it a spoken word version, but bit by bit brings more instruments into the mix (keyboards, percussion, and a sweet stinging guitarist) and puts a unique spin on it - good stuff. So there you have it - 21tracks, over 77 minutes of Joni cover treats and tricks. As always, I'm happy to share so let me know if you'd like the November winds to blow one your way. Bob NP: Joan Crowe, "Twisted" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #311 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)