From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #306 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, October 29 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 306 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- "Early Joni Mitchell"? [Karen Marie Espeland ] Re: Desktop Pic ["Ric Robinson" ] RE: "Early Joni Mitchell"? ["Ross, Les" ] RE: "Early Joni Mitchell"? [Bob Muller ] Sox ["MIKE HICKS" ] Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? ["Mark Scott" ] Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? [Karen Marie Espeland ] dawn treader desk top [LCStanley7@aol.com] Joni in latest VF [Bob Muller ] Dolly and BSN [Jerry Notaro ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:03:49 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: "Early Joni Mitchell"? Hi Joni-experts! What would you say "Early Joni Mitcell" would refer to? That is, until when is her material considered 'early', and what are the characteristics of her 'early' music? ("helium" voice, no band, etc...?) Is there a year, a concert, a certain voice quality or a song that marks the end of her 'early period'? For instance, can the Miles of Aisles concert in 1974 be seen her last 'early material' concert? 'Jericho' appeared on this concert - even though it didn't appear on DJRD until 1977. Can it still be considered an 'early' song? I hope some of you can help me with this! Thanks! Have a nice weekend, everyone! :) Karen Marie PS: Thank you for the beautiful desktop pictures, Mark! (By the way, what does 'dawntreader' mean?) And thanks for the Rosa Parks information - the articles and especially the song! I'll certainly use it if I start working as a teacher one day - Parks is compulsory knowledge for all Norwegian high school students. Thanks, Les, Mark & Bob! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:46:57 +0100 From: "Ric Robinson" Subject: Re: Desktop Pic Very nice indeed. Cheeky question: Could you make one 1280x1024 pixels? (So it fits my screen resolution better) Ric - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark-Leon Thorne" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 2:00 AM Subject: Desktop Pic > Hi everyone. If you would like a copy of my first desktop picture, you > can get it here. > http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=39FPDL2MV4MWV0VF9BWPXPOXLD > > I hope to make a series of them. Watch this space. > > Mark in Sydney > > NP Happiness Is Easy - Talk Talk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:29:34 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: "Early Joni Mitchell"? Hi Karen In my opinion, her early period ended with the second album, Clouds. After that, she broadened her pallette musically within the songs and also by bringing in other musicians not just for accompaniment so much as for the music they were required to bring to the compositions. A greater degree of orchestration, if you will. There's was a component integrated with her songs; less tacked-on. It's my observation that even when she revisited earlier work in later performances such as are recorded in Miles of Aisles, that naive and innocent, almost engenue quality is gone replaced by something altogether more worldly. Compare, Cactus Tree in its original form with that appearing on MOA. I see Ladies of the Canyon, Blue and For the Roses as another disctinct period, one of transition, before Court and Spark and Hissing of Summer Lawns. Just in my opinion, of course. Les (London) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Karen Marie Espeland Sent: 28 October 2005 10:04 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: "Early Joni Mitchell"? Hi Joni-experts! What would you say "Early Joni Mitcell" would refer to? That is, until when is her material considered 'early', and what are the characteristics of her 'early' music? ("helium" voice, no band, etc...?) Is there a year, a concert, a certain voice quality or a song that marks the end of her 'early period'? For instance, can the Miles of Aisles concert in 1974 be seen her last 'early material' concert? 'Jericho' appeared on this concert - even though it didn't appear on DJRD until 1977. Can it still be considered an 'early' song? I hope some of you can help me with this! Thanks! Have a nice weekend, everyone! :) Karen Marie PS: Thank you for the beautiful desktop pictures, Mark! (By the way, what does 'dawntreader' mean?) And thanks for the Rosa Parks information - the articles and especially the song! I'll certainly use it if I start working as a teacher one day - Parks is compulsory knowledge for all Norwegian high school students. Thanks, Les, Mark & Bob! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:58:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: RE: "Early Joni Mitchell"? I second Les' proposition. And you have to recall that she had about 100 or so songs under her belt when she went in to record STAS. Had she been recording all along, Clouds would have been like her 6th record or so. But it's not just a matter of numbers - there are some definite stylistic changes that occurred from Clouds to LOTC, plus she had become more well-known and was performing in front of bigger audiences as well. Bob NP: Kaki King, "Sweet Juicy Little Bun" (Thanks Mona for turning me on to this great guitarist. Anybody else heard this?) PS - Happy Friday everyone!!! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:04:58 -0400 From: "MIKE HICKS" Subject: Sox "Astros fans got out of Uribe's way so he could catch the foul ball". Do you think that happens in New York? Houston showed class throughout. Mike NP: Stills(not Stephen)-Yesterday Never Tomorrows ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:47:03 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? > I see Ladies of the Canyon, Blue and For the Roses as another disctinct > period, one of transition, before Court and Spark and Hissing of Summer > Lawns. And my favorite Joni period of all, probably because I was young and at an age when everything was all so new and exciting. Jerry "And if I cried a little bit when first I learned the truth, Don't blame it on my heart, blame it on my youth." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:28:21 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Bob Muller wrote: But >it's not just a matter of numbers - there are some >definite stylistic changes that occurred from Clouds to >LOTC, plus she had become more well-known and was >performing in front of bigger audiences as well. I agree with you all, and will just add that while Joni's lyrics were always personal, with LOTC they started to become far more introspective and less universal (an improvement IMO, but of course, not everyone's). This comes to the full with Blue. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:30:07 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Marie Espeland" > PS: Thank you for the beautiful desktop pictures, Mark! (By the way, > what does 'dawntreader' mean?) There is a book in C. S. Lewis's fantasy series 'The Chronicles of Narnia' called 'The Voyage of the Dawntreader'. In this book, the Dawntreader is a ship that Prince Caspian sails through many enchanted seas to the edge of the world. I'm fairly certain this is where Joni got the name of the song. Her references to 'a man who's been out sailing in a decade full of dreams' and other sailing/sailor references on the 'Song to a Seagull' album were most probably inspired by David Crosby who had a sailboat at the time she met him and probably sails one to this day. Crosby produced 'STAS'. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:25:03 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: "Early Joni Mitchell"? Thank you, Mark! This was clarifying - I made futile attempts to figure out what a Dawntreader was - googling and MW-ing - so thanks a lot for the information! It's a beautiful song, with a certain mystique, her voice is so careful, the guitar accompaniment a bit 'somber'... I just read about the song in the O'Brien-biography, where she refers to Crosby claiming to be the source of inspiration for the song. He even wanted to rename his schooner 'Dawntreader' - but Joni said that he was not the inspiration for it. 'I guess people identify with songs you wrote and think you wrote them just for them', Joni says. (Perhaps she would agree with Carly Simon...) But I think it's likely that being at sea with Crosby (I guess he would sometimes take her out sailing?!) inspired lots of songs. The sea-imagery is also apparent in Blue. But then, perhaps she had some brand new 'sea-input' from her journey through Europe... All the best, Karen Marie On 10/28/05, Mark Scott wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Marie Espeland" > > > > PS: Thank you for the beautiful desktop pictures, Mark! (By the way, > > what does 'dawntreader' mean?) > > There is a book in C. S. Lewis's fantasy series 'The Chronicles of Narnia' > called 'The Voyage of the Dawntreader'. In this book, the Dawntreader is a > ship that Prince Caspian sails through many enchanted seas to the edge of > the world. I'm fairly certain this is where Joni got the name of the song. > Her references to 'a man who's been out sailing in a decade full of dreams' > and other sailing/sailor references on the 'Song to a Seagull' album were > most probably inspired by David Crosby who had a sailboat at the time she > met him and probably sails one to this day. Crosby produced 'STAS'. > > Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:58:39 EDT From: LCStanley7@aol.com Subject: dawn treader desk top Hi Mark, Very beautiful! Thanks! Love, Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:21:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni in latest VF From the November 2005 issue of Vanity Fair, Sheryl Crow contributes an article called "25 For The Road" listing her top 25 road-trip albums. They don't seem to be in any order, not numbered or anything. Among them is Hejira, and here's what Sheryl says: "There are just not that many women singer-songwriter-poet-performing artists who consistently move me. Joni Mitchell has and still does. Her album Hejira in many ways changed how I look at music, from the standpoint of creating what I refer to as "cinematography" for each song - in other words, the way a song should come across visually. I studied the song 'Hejira' like a handbook because its imagery of what it feels like to always be leaving or coming home so heavily resonated with me. I have admired Joni Mitchell, particularly during her early years, for giving voice to what we all sense sometimes: that we are searching for what feels like home." Bob NP: Fleetwood Mac, "World Turning" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:51:23 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Dolly and BSN From the review of Dolly9s new cd in the St. Petersburg Times: If Parton truly loved Mitchell, she would have never reimagined the languorous, lovely Both Sides Now as a revved-up, banjo-led barnburner. Mitchell, with her now deep, throaty, rasp, could offer a more stirring rendition a capella. Jerry ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #306 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)