From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #295 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 17 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 295 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Case of You Explained ["Kate Bennett" ] Oddmund's Deep Complaint ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: Chris Botti (KKSF) talks about Joni ["Michael O'Malley" ] Night Ride Home question... ["Les Irvin" ] Re: A Case of You Explained [Catherine McKay ] Re: A Case of You Explained [hell@ihug.co.nz] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:51:32 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: A Case of You Explained >I don't think that a person who is truly an artist, be it in music, paint or words, can maintain a lasting relationship with a human lover. It seems that the muse demands too much.< Often times creative folks attract those who want to be that way but aren't quite yet & thus demand too much from the creative partner... so the relationship becomes stifling for the artist... but if two creative people are in a relationship then it can work out nicely... each understands how the other needs their space... there are quite a few well known artists I can think of who have long term relationships... more than the demands of the muse, I think it is the celebrity trappings that can harm a relationship... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:08:05 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Oddmund's Deep Complaint Dear Joniamigos and especially Oddmund: Woke up, it was a Chelsea Morning (it's been a Rainy Night House of Eastern Rain here for 8 days a week and it's finally "Good Day, Sunshine!") and the first thing that I knew was that I just *had* to write to our dear strange strange boy. Poor Oddmund and his deep complaint....a Joniman must have every CD, a Joniman must have every CD! Beauty and madness to be praised, 'cause it is not easy to be brave, to walk around in so much need of Joni CDs! Our strange strange boy is sad -- now he's gone and lost the best CD he ever had! I'm sorry you lost your discman and your Songs of Prairie Girl...but we must look at this misfortune from both sides now, of course. There is a silver lining to these Clouds. Darn right! You will get a new music-listening device, and it will be better than your old one. And then there is the deeEEEEeeeper meaning, which Joni's papa taught us: some lucky soul will find your discman in the tube when something strange will happen - -- Joni-Glory train will pass through him! Oh, the dizzy dancing way you feel when you first hear la Joan. Remember? When every Joni tale comes real, like the turn of a page of your own life. This person (a woman with that teased-up kind of hair? a man smoking a fat cigar? a kid with a coke and chocolate bars?) will think it is their lucky day just to find a discman, not knowing how REALLY lucky they are, because when he or she turns it on, there will be SIQUOMB in all her glory on the THAT train just like THIS train and then we will have another Joniphile in this world. Joni will spread her love light blazes all across the Northern Sky. So don't be troubled, child. You have just unknowingly made this world a better Joni place. It's a warm arrangement, seems to me! Love, Patti P., just another silly girl when JMOCD makes a fool of me today...LOLing it all away...laughing it all....laughing it all away....How Do You Stop? Again and again the same situation! I could do this all day, especially with the great jmdl lyrics discography link at my blood-red fingertips...there are more lyrics I could add on this Sunny Sunday -- you KNOW there may be more! Help Me! I've fallen and I can't shut up! Not To Blame, Oddmund, but then again, perchance to blame: my JMOCD is all your fault! You started it with your post here many dim months ago when you confessed you had a problem and asked if anyone else here had Joni lyrics going through their head all the time. HELLO!!!!!! I came on as bright as a neon light. So now, I must say I love you, right out loud! There is your song from meeeee: Oddmund from Norway, Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 11:33:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: all fellow jmdler's sings songs of a prarie girl, now Hello Yesterday - a child came out to wonder- - - - No, that was not the case. Yesterday, on my way to work. As ususal I was in a hurry. I was going to the swimming pool Toyen to take a good swim, before taking the tube and cathing my bus for work. In this hurry, this stress, although it was sunny and all the lovely yellow leaves were brighten up the ground, I lost my discman. . . Probably left it on the tube, and it's gone, faraway, yesterday. . . Well, that was not the main problem. The discman was old and needed replacement soon anyway. The problem is with lay within. . . My newest Joni Mitchell cd. My favourite cd at the moment: "Songs of a prairie girl" So I have the cover, I have the cd-inlet with all those crazy and cheerful pictures of Joni skating away. But I don't have the most important the content, the cd. and I really miss it! Do an of you fellow jmdlers have an extra copy to sell me, or files that can burn to a blank cd. Please contact me offlist: okaarevik@yahoo.no Tthanks a lot! As Patti says: Bon week end to all of you! Love Oddmund ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:41:13 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Re: Chris Botti (KKSF) talks about Joni Interesting - a bit of the DIVA emerges! Michael in Quebec ``Found this while looking for some information on Chris Botti. It's an older interview, I believe (can't find the date). http://www.kksf.com/theartists4.html Didn't find this in the JMDL library so don't know how many have read this before. Chris answers the question: Who was the most difficult and the most demanding of all those people? I mean in a professional way. Who's the stickler?" CB: You know, one of my favorites, and that would be probably Joni Mitchell. But she is very, very detailed and very, very specific about what she wants, and at the same time it's very open ended. There's so much freedom, but yet there's no freedom. She's an artist and I think that she really sees things like a painter, and she sees music as if it were being painted. And she's right all the time, you know. And I would consider her, probably, to be the most demanding person that I have worked with and one my most gratifying tours. ******************************* Thought someone might find this interesting (and the whole interview) like I did. Enjoy! Laura O.`` _________________________________________________________________ Scan and help eliminate destructive viruses from your inbound and outbound e-mail and attachments. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 11:53:07 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: A Case of You Explained > >I don't think that a person who is truly an artist, be it in music, paint > or words, can maintain a lasting relationship with a human lover. It seems > that the muse demands too much.< > A funny coincidence in connection with this subject. I watched the movie 'The Red Shoes' yesterday. I had never seen it before. If there is anybody who has not seen this movie (it's an old movie from the 1940s) and you think you might see it or want to see it, you should probably not read anymore of this post. 'The Red Shoes' is about a ballet dancer who falls in love with and marries the composer/conductor for the famous ballet company she dances for. The impressario of this ballet company has vowed to make her a great dancer but insists that neither she nor the composer/conductor can do their work when distracted by their love for one another. The dancer and the composer leave the company and marry. The composer goes on and writes an opera. Circumstances send the dancer back to Monte Carlo where the ballet company is and the impressario persuades her to perform for the company again in a ballet called 'The Red Shoes'. This ballet is based on a Hans Christian Anderson story of the same name about a dancer that puts on an enchanted pair of red shoes that take possesion of her and eventually she literally dances herself to death. The dancer's husband composed the music for this ballet. The dancer's first performance of this ballet made her into a star and led to her falling in love with the composer. Anyway, the dancer is scheduled to open in 'The Red Shoes' on the night the composer's opera is debuting in London. The composer, however, leaves London and shows up in Monte Carlo to find his wife preparing to go on stage. He insists that she leave and come back to London with him or their marriage is over. The impressario insists that she cannot be a great dancer and be married as well and if she leaves with her husband, her career will be over. The dancer is so torn in two by this conflict that she runs out of the theatre and leaps off of a terrace onto the railroad track below where her husband has gone to catch the train back to London. In many ways this is a beautifully made movie. The sequence that portrays the first performance of 'The Red Shoes' ballet is a wonderful, imaginative piece of film-making that takes the audience in and out of the dancer's imagination as she performs the ballet, making it partly a film of a dance performance and partly an extended dream sequence. Of course, the film's plot is an updating of the fairy tale and the end of the movie parallels the end of that fairy tale. But my reaction as a 21st century viewer of this film was 'Oh please! How stupid! Why can't she dance in Monte Carlo while he opens his opera in London? Why can't they each have their separate careers?' I suppose audiences in 1948 were more willing to accept this ending than a contemporary audience would be. It was less common for women to have careers then and even if they did, if they were married it was expected that the husband's work took priority. I do find it sad that as late as the early 70s, Joni felt forced to sever her relationship with Graham Nash for fear that her work would end up being subordinate to his. There have been a few marriages in the performing arts field that have lasted. Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward come to mind. Jessica Tandy and Hume Cronyn were both respected stage and film actors who had a long and successful marriage. Cameron Crowe and Nancy Wilson have been married for some time now. I think it would take a special kind of person to be partnered with somebody as gifted as Joni is. And I agree with Kate that the whole celebrity thing has to be hard on a relationship. I think that there are many ways of maintaining a relationship, many different kinds of marriages or partnerships. Some people prefer to be in close proximity to their partners as much as possible. Others can maintain the relationship and go along seemingly separate paths. I don't think being a creative artist is mutually exclusive of being in a committed relationship. My 2 cents, anyway. Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 19:52:13 -0600 From: "Les Irvin" Subject: Night Ride Home question... Joniphiles - Does anyone have any promotional ads from the Night Ride Home era? As I remember it, already when this disc came out, the ad campaign was billing Joni a "classic." Can anyone confirm this? Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 22:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Case of You Explained - --- Mark Scott wrote: > I suppose audiences in 1948 were more willing to > accept this ending than a > contemporary audience would be. It was less common > for women to have > careers then and even if they did, if they were > married it was expected that > the husband's work took priority. I do find it sad > that as late as the > early 70s, Joni felt forced to sever her > relationship with Graham Nash for > fear that her work would end up being subordinate to > his. That's what I was thinking about - the fact that he, apparently, wanted a wife who would stay at home and look after him and the house, and she remembered her grandmother who gave up her art and was ultimately frustrated by that. It would be a hell of a waste of Joni's talent - and ironically, wouldn't her talent have been one of the things that drew Graham (and others) to her in the first place? You'd think they'd have had the foresight to just hire people to do all that stuff. I don't know what kind of background Nash comes from, but Joni didn't come from a family where you were used to having maids and so on, so I guess at the time, even the idea of hiring a housekeeper would have been strange. > I think it would take a special kind > of person to be > partnered with somebody as gifted as Joni is. And I > agree with Kate that > the whole celebrity thing has to be hard on a > relationship. I think that > there are many ways of maintaining a relationship, > many different kinds of > marriages or partnerships. Some people prefer to be > in close proximity to > their partners as much as possible. Others can > maintain the relationship > and go along seemingly separate paths. I don't > think being a creative > artist is mutually exclusive of being in a committed > relationship. My 2 > cents, anyway. > It certainly shouldn't be but in many cases, it does end up being that way. A lot of people think they can handle it, but often one ends up jealous if their partner is more successful or talented. Or, if one always needs their partner near, but the partner is more independent and needs their own space, that's hard on both. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________________ Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 16:02:35 +1300 From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: A Case of You Explained Catherine wrote: > You'd think they'd have had the foresight to just > hire people to do all that stuff. I don't know > what kind of background Nash comes from, but Joni > didn't come from a family where you were used to > having maids and so on, so I guess at the time, > even the idea of hiring a housekeeper would have > been strange. I'm not an expert on Graham Nash's life, but from what I've read, he had a very working-class upbringing in Manchester, England. I know his father was jailed for a short time for buying a camera from a "questionable" source, ie. off the black market, although he was ignorant of this fact. (This probably - all IMO, of course - had some bearing on Nash's interest in photography) Nash's mother probably struggled to make ends meet during that time, and I suspect some of that "I want you at home with the kids" attitude was related to that. As an aside, and some more specific Joni content, if you go to www.grahamnash.com, and open the gallery from the "Photography" page, there's a great photo of Joni I've never seen before. Scroll right to the end of the images, and it's about the 5th to last shot. 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