From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #289 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, October 11 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 289 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Carly Simon: Boho Queen / now with JC [Smurf ] Joni and Canada [Karen Marie Espeland ] Re: Joni and Canada [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Joni and Canada ["Richard Flynn" ] Re: Joni and Canada [Jamie Zubairi ] RE: Joni and Canada ["Richard Flynn" ] Ian Shaw's Joni Tribute & other Covers news [Bob Muller ] Re: Shameless self-promotion Joni cover! [Bob Muller Subject: Re: Carly Simon: Boho Queen / now with JC - ---Jerry sez: > Carly sounds like a man on her new cd. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course. There are lots of good singers who are men. Not Dylan, though. I was in a store yesterday when Joni's most recent 'Both Sides Now' came on. It sounded pretty great. Then it ended and the regular confetti came back on. - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:36:38 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Joni and Canada Hello! I am keen on exploring the relationship between Joni, her art (particularly her music) and Canada. I'm reading Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now, the biography by Brian Hinton, and I came across something about Canada, that puzzled me. It says that Joni has claimed 'native roots', and that she is a friend of Buffy Sainte-Marie's: 'the two women share a sense of the Canadian landscape with is nostalgic, and angry, proprietorial and dispossessed, at the same time.' (p 75) Can any of you relate to these 'facts' about the Canadian landscape? Do you think it has affected Joni's art? If so, how? If some of her art can be considered nostalgic, can Canada be 'blamed' for it? I've never been to Canada, but I imagine that it might resemble Europe to a larger extent than the US - but I'm not sure as I've never been to the American continent (but I will!). Canada seems to be a low-key, and discrete kind of place as I've not heard much about it, through the news, etc. I've thought about the random mixture of 'cultural artifacts' that I've come across here in Norway, through the years, involving Canada: Margaret Atwood, South Park (Blame Canada! Or Celine Dion!?), the highly subjective Bowling for Columbine (with the juxtaposition of the peaceful, harmonious Canadians contrasted with the violently fearful Americans - at least that's the impression I got from the documentary), Anne of Green Gables (blush!), Rush (listen to 'The Trees' - great lyrics!), Leonard Cohen of course - and is Twin Peaks a place in Canada? Hm, this turns out to be a strange little mixture I guess! :) Anyway, it would be great if some of you would like to fill me in on what lies in the Canadian spirit, and how traces of this can be found in Joni's art. All the best, Karen Marie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:09:32 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni and Canada > Hello! > > I am keen on exploring the relationship between Joni, her art > (particularly her music) and Canada. > I'm reading Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now, the biography by Brian > Hinton, and I came across something about Canada, that puzzled me. A word of caution. Brian's book is the least authoritive of the works on Joni, and contains an extensive amount of errors. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:15:04 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni and Canada IMO Brian Hinton's book is an exercise in pastiche plagiarism and is worth less than the paper it's printed on. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Karen Marie Espeland Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:37 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni and Canada Hello! I am keen on exploring the relationship between Joni, her art (particularly her music) and Canada. I'm reading Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now, the biography by Brian Hinton, and I came across something about Canada, that puzzled me. It says that Joni has claimed 'native roots', and that she is a friend of Buffy Sainte-Marie's: 'the two women share a sense of the Canadian landscape with is nostalgic, and angry, proprietorial and dispossessed, at the same time.' (p 75) Can any of you relate to these 'facts' about the Canadian landscape? Do you think it has affected Joni's art? If so, how? If some of her art can be considered nostalgic, can Canada be 'blamed' for it? I've never been to Canada, but I imagine that it might resemble Europe to a larger extent than the US - but I'm not sure as I've never been to the American continent (but I will!). Canada seems to be a low-key, and discrete kind of place as I've not heard much about it, through the news, etc. I've thought about the random mixture of 'cultural artifacts' that I've come across here in Norway, through the years, involving Canada: Margaret Atwood, South Park (Blame Canada! Or Celine Dion!?), the highly subjective Bowling for Columbine (with the juxtaposition of the peaceful, harmonious Canadians contrasted with the violently fearful Americans - at least that's the impression I got from the documentary), Anne of Green Gables (blush!), Rush (listen to 'The Trees' - great lyrics!), Leonard Cohen of course - and is Twin Peaks a place in Canada? Hm, this turns out to be a strange little mixture I guess! :) Anyway, it would be great if some of you would like to fill me in on what lies in the Canadian spirit, and how traces of this can be found in Joni's art. All the best, Karen Marie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:56:53 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Joni and Canada Hello Karen Marie as many people have told you Brian Hinton's book is meant to be read by those that aren't paying attention. A better book is by Karen O'Brien, also called 'Both Sides Now'. I think there is another one on it's way called 'Both Sides Now'... how these 'biographers' can claim to be imaginative writers, I don't know... Couldn't they call it 'Hejira'? I think in the current climate it might sell more ;-) Yes, well, your question: Joni is Canadian by birth and she grew up there until she was in her early twenties when she married Chuck Mitchell who 'carried her off to his country for marriage too soon' (I Had A King). I'm not sure I would call Joni 'dispossessed' nor would I lay claim that Canada is either... Canehdians out there on the JMDL? Not sure either that Joni and Buffy's friendship mean that they think alike or write alike... The only encounter that I know of Joni and Buffy having was when Buffy covered 'The Circle Game' and David Geffen loved the song and Buffy snapped 'That was by Joni Mitchell'... David soon signed the young Joni to his stable of clients. I know that Joni talks of Sasktoon as a 'foothill town' where the prairie meets the mountains in the distance, and the prairies around Saskatoon 'start to roll' and further on the horizon they meet the mountains. It sounds lovely, to be honest, just flat flat falt wheatfields slowly rising up to lilac mountains in the distance... Dispossessed? Proprietorial? Hmmmm Mr Hinton, talk some sense!!!! I hope you're well and I hope your theses on A Case Of You is going well Much JOni Jamie Zoob > I am keen on exploring the relationship between > Joni, her art > (particularly her music) and Canada. > I'm reading Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now, the > biography by Brian > Hinton, and I came across something about Canada, > that puzzled me. It > says that Joni has claimed 'native roots', and that > she is a friend of > Buffy Sainte-Marie's: 'the two women share a sense > of the Canadian > landscape with is nostalgic, and angry, > proprietorial and > dispossessed, at the same time.' (p 75) Can any of > you relate to these > 'facts' about the Canadian landscape? > Do you think it has affected Joni's art? If so, how? > If some of her art can be considered nostalgic, can > Canada be 'blamed' for it? > > I've never been to Canada, but I imagine that it > might resemble Europe > to a larger extent than the US - but I'm not sure as > I've never been > to the American continent (but I will!). Canada > seems to be a low-key, > and discrete kind of place as I've not heard much > about it, through > the news, etc. I've thought about the random mixture > of 'cultural > artifacts' that I've come across here in Norway, > through the years, > involving Canada: Margaret Atwood, South Park (Blame > Canada! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:40:51 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni and Canada Jamie's advice is on target, except that Karen O'Brien's book is called _Joni Mitchell: Shadows and Light_. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jamie Zubairi Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 3:57 PM To: Karen Marie Espeland; joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Joni and Canada Hello Karen Marie as many people have told you Brian Hinton's book is meant to be read by those that aren't paying attention. A better book is by Karen O'Brien, also called 'Both Sides Now'. I think there is another one on it's way called 'Both Sides Now'... how these 'biographers' can claim to be imaginative writers, I don't know... Couldn't they call it 'Hejira'? I think in the current climate it might sell more ;-) Yes, well, your question: Joni is Canadian by birth and she grew up there until she was in her early twenties when she married Chuck Mitchell who 'carried her off to his country for marriage too soon' (I Had A King). I'm not sure I would call Joni 'dispossessed' nor would I lay claim that Canada is either... Canehdians out there on the JMDL? Not sure either that Joni and Buffy's friendship mean that they think alike or write alike... The only encounter that I know of Joni and Buffy having was when Buffy covered 'The Circle Game' and David Geffen loved the song and Buffy snapped 'That was by Joni Mitchell'... David soon signed the young Joni to his stable of clients. I know that Joni talks of Sasktoon as a 'foothill town' where the prairie meets the mountains in the distance, and the prairies around Saskatoon 'start to roll' and further on the horizon they meet the mountains. It sounds lovely, to be honest, just flat flat falt wheatfields slowly rising up to lilac mountains in the distance... Dispossessed? Proprietorial? Hmmmm Mr Hinton, talk some sense!!!! I hope you're well and I hope your theses on A Case Of You is going well Much JOni Jamie Zoob > I am keen on exploring the relationship between > Joni, her art > (particularly her music) and Canada. > I'm reading Joni Mitchell - Both Sides Now, the > biography by Brian > Hinton, and I came across something about Canada, > that puzzled me. It > says that Joni has claimed 'native roots', and that > she is a friend of > Buffy Sainte-Marie's: 'the two women share a sense > of the Canadian > landscape with is nostalgic, and angry, > proprietorial and > dispossessed, at the same time.' (p 75) Can any of > you relate to these > 'facts' about the Canadian landscape? > Do you think it has affected Joni's art? If so, how? > If some of her art can be considered nostalgic, can > Canada be 'blamed' for it? > > I've never been to Canada, but I imagine that it > might resemble Europe > to a larger extent than the US - but I'm not sure as > I've never been > to the American continent (but I will!). Canada > seems to be a low-key, > and discrete kind of place as I've not heard much > about it, through > the news, etc. I've thought about the random mixture > of 'cultural > artifacts' that I've come across here in Norway, > through the years, > involving Canada: Margaret Atwood, South Park (Blame > Canada! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Ian Shaw's Joni Tribute & other Covers news Nice article in the Hartford, CT Courant about jazz singer Ian Shaw...Scott had earlier alluded to this project, this article provides some other details, mainly the title "Drawn to All Things" (I love it!) and the fact that it looks like it will include "Talk To Me" - awesome news. Excerpt: "More surprisingly, Joni Mitchell's material provided the springboard for Shaw's most affecting performances of the evening. The Wales native accompanied himself on piano for a blues-infused "Case of You'" sang a dramatic (partly a cappella) "Both Sides Now" and rocked the house with a funky "Talk to Me." He explained that his next recording project, "Drawn to All Things," will be a tribute to Mitchell. Although he warned that doing a whole album of the renowned Canadian singer-songwriter's material "could be the kiss of death for a jazz singer," these exciting versions bode well for the forthcoming release, due out in early 2006." Read the whole deal at: http://www.courant.com/features/lifestyle/hc-shawrev1010.artoct10,0,3389732.story?coll=hc-headlines-life Keeping abreast of other covers news, Dolly's BSN cover comes out tomorrow - should be titillating. Bob NP: Let's Active, "Ten Layers Down" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 19:11:59 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: Shameless self-promotion Joni cover! I don't yet have my copy, but I got word Saturday night that my version of "The Circle Game" (with slide guitar) is on the Savannah Folk Music Society CD _Friday Night Finger Paintings: The Best of First Friday for Folk Music 2005_ http://www.savannahfolk.org/swapnshop.htm (scroll down to CD pic) Richard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 23:52:59 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: Joni and Canada Hi Jamie! Thank you for your reply! And thanks also to Jerry and Richard for your comments on the Hinton book. I will skip the rest and move on to the book I actually bought, the Karen O'Brien-biography. I borrowed the other one from the library, and as the date for handing it back in came closer, I thought I'd browse through that one first. I didn't take Hinton's biography that seriously as he does not specify any sources when referring to comments by Joni. Also, I found the mistakes a bit disturbing, yes - referring to Joni's grandmother as 'Mrs Mitchell', for instance. Skipping the rest saves me some time - which is great - thank you! :) > I hope you're well and I hope your theses on A Case Of > You is going well Yes, I'm fine - thanks! Just returned from a friend, and we spent the evening playing and singing, some Joni stuff, among other things, just for fun. A great way of getting some Joni material (even further) under your skin! And a relief to get away from books and portable pc for a few hours too. By the way, I'm not going to write my entire thesis on ACOY, but on the analysis of popular music applied to some of Joni Mitchell's songs, with particular emphasis on metaphors, and the emotional appeal of her work. I will take most of the songs from Blue - 4 or 5 in all, I think. And I thought it would be a good idea to find out something about Canada in order to increase my background knowledge. I've already asked Catherine about those things (as she seemed to be the most unambigously profiled Canadian on the list, with her 'Toronto' label) and she gave me an interesting reply. However, it would be great to hear if others too (perhaps Canadians in particular) had opinions about that issue. I wish you all a great week! All the best, Karen Marie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 16:35:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Shameless self-promotion Joni cover! Very cool, Richard - I'll put my order in and support a most worthy cause. Congratulations. And hopefully, like Carly Simon, you'll sound like a man. Bob Richard Flynn wrote: I don't yet have my copy, but I got word Saturday night that my version of "The Circle Game" (with slide guitar) is on the Savannah Folk Music Society CD _Friday Night Finger Paintings: The Best of First Friday for Folk Music 2005_ http://www.savannahfolk.org/swapnshop.htm (scroll down to CD pic) Richard - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 17:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Ian Shaw's Joni Tribute & other Covers news - --- Bob wrote: > Keeping abreast of other covers news, Dolly's BSN > cover comes out tomorrow - should be titillating. Just one little episode and we Smurfs end up with a reputation for being filthy little buggers. Doesn't seem fair. - --Smurf NPIMH: Van Morrison, 'Blue Money' __________________________________ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. 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