From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 281 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Resurrected [Patti Witten ] Re: Resurrected ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: Dog Eat Dogma (sjc) [littlebreen@comcast.net] Re: Joni Covers, Volume 69 - Most Popular Volume Yet? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Sherelle's CD release concert [Claud9 ] Re: Joni Covers Volume 69 ["Melissa Gibbs" ] not to blame ["mack watson-bush" ] Re: [NortheastJonifest] Sherelle's CD release concert [Lori Fye Subject: Re: Resurrected You/We might have as much or more more impact if by pressuring the major download sites like iTunes as well as the satellite radio companies (XM, Sirius) instead of (in addition to?) terrestrial radio. iTunes and all the other major download sites feature and promote specific artists when it's to their advantage. Customer and fan feedback might influence their choices. Joni's fan/listener demographic (ahem, that's me) is not listening to radio so much, and here in the US it's label-payola driven. That is the problem Joni has been railing about for years! The so-called music video channels like VH1 and MTV aren't about music, they are about entertainment and youth consumerism. The "arts" networks (Ovation, Bravo) are more in the right demographic. Not that I'm opinionated or anything :)) Cheers, Patti - -- Patti Witten - singer/songwriter http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 10:08:26 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Resurrected On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 07:38:01 -0400 Patti Witten wrote: > You/We might have as much or more more impact if by >pressuring the major > download sites like iTunes as well as the satellite >radio companies (XM, > Sirius) instead of (in addition to?) terrestrial radio. Probably true. Radio would have to feel there's genuine general rise in interest to be moved. I doubt an organized effort by die-hard fans is going to move the corporate giant. (Yeah, they probably would know that's what it is--if they noticed at all.) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:16:00 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dogma (sjc) >>>> Let the walls go tumbling down >>>> Falling on the ground >>>> And all the dogs go running free >>>> The wild and gentle dogs >>>> Kenneled in me ive been meaning to ask you about this - where does it come from??? i love it!!! Hey, Ron -- Great points about religion and science; I love it when this list gets into possibly contentious issues not with rancor but with intelligent discourse. My "signature" lines are the last five lines in my favorite Joni song, Jericho, which can be found on Miles of Aisles and on Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, and which appropriately for this discussion, refers to a biblical story: Jericho (Last verse) I'll try to keep myself open up to you It gets easier and easier to do Just like Jericho Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me Best, Walt > hi > > > >>>>>>mia wrote > >>>> Intelligent design does not even support God. The intelligent designer > >>>> could be a bunch of intelligent aliens who are using humans in some > >>>> sort of weird experiment. > > god cant use subcontractors??? :-) > > > >>>>>>>walt wrote > >>>>>>>Anything that can be neither proven nor disproven is an article of > >>>>>>>faith, not science. > > well - i'm going back to my school science days here, but..... > > what is electricity??? i seem to remember a whole course on it & being > told that no one has actually proved what it is & how it works. so i guess > its faith at work everyday???? > > & how about water??? one of the basic necessities of life - only > apparently it should be gas at room temperature & scientists cant figure out > why its liquid....... > > > >>>>>>>> The late and much-missed Stephen Jay Gould often made the point > >>>>>>>> that there need be no enmity between science and religion. > >>>>>>>> Religion will always have a place as a source for > >>>>>>>> moral/ethical/spiritual guidance, no matter how "big" science gets; > >>>>>>>> but historically -- and now -- the top dogs of some religions put > >>>>>>>> dogma before spirituality, and they fight through intimidation (or > >>>>>>>> often, much worse) anything or anyone whom they feel threatens the > >>>>>>>> dogma.<<<<<<< > > like the whole flat earth thing. then after burning people at the stake - > "religion" (as opposed to christians) cottoned on that the bible actually is > written on the assumption that the earth is in fact round. > > >>>> So telling people that they should teach ID *in science classes* as an > >>>> "alternate theory" to evolution because the latter "threatens" the > >>>> belief that the big kahuna in the sky is the ultimate creative source > >>>> of all existence is wrong because (a) evolution does no such thing and > >>>> (b) ID can not be proven or disproven, and therefore is not a > >>>> scientific theory. > > well - i agree with (a). the bible clearly teaches that god has a slightly > different perspective on time. yes - it does say that he took 7 days, but it > also says that with god a day is as a thousand years ( which is not to be > interpreted as a literal thousand years - just as a long, long, long time.) > who says evolution wasnt gods project plan for the earth??? > > >>>>>> In the past (and in some cultures, still) religion was the source of > >>>>>> explanation for things that could not (yet) be explained by other > >>>>>> means -- this in addition to being a source of spiritual succor and > >>>>>> ethical guidance. As science as we know it has begun to explain more > >>>>>> and more of the physical world, admittedly the explanatory role of > >>>>>> religion has been diminished; an established reltion has two > >>>>>> options: fight science, or accept science's (admittedly sometimes > >>>>>> tentative or incomplete) truths and emphasize religion's role as a > >>>>>> provider of ethical/moral/spritual guidance. > > why do "religious people" (again, as opposed to christians) feel threatened > by science??? well - generally because they dont actually have any basis > for, or understanding of their religion, and are incapable of thinking for > themselves. (kind of like most bush supporters???) "religious people" get > all bent out of shape by talk of aliens - come on - the universe is a big > place, god is a big god, where does the bible say that he never made another > planet elsewhere????? there are theories that the bible indicates that there > was a different creation on earth prior to the one we know - why shouldnt > ther be another one on another planet. jesus said render unto god what is > god's, and unto ceasar what is caesars, how about unto newton what is > newtons??? > > > >>>>>>>>>And this and other attempts by the current > administration to blur or dismantle the wall between science and religion -- > and church and state -- makes me wonder just how near or far we are from > becoming a theocracy. > > scary thought!!! in bible college (i did two years there) we were > emphatically taught that the reason for the spiritual decline and politcal & > financial growth of the early church was its political influence, & > consequent membership of people who had no interest in religion, but just > wanted to further their political careers by using the church's influence. > now - i havent been in a church in over 10 years but it seems to me that by > people like bush manipulating the church to get their votes, and church > leaders apparently falling for it & publicly, even apparently misusing & > soiling their pulpit to support him, that we are exactly back where we > began??? > > > >>>>>>>>> Holier than thou and weirder than any, > > walt - whats different??? that sounds just like so many churches ive been to > or heard of ............ > > > >>>> Let the walls go tumbling down > >>>> Falling on the ground > >>>> And all the dogs go running free > >>>> The wild and gentle dogs > >>>> Kenneled in me > > ive been meaning to ask you about this - where does it come from??? i love > it!!! > > > ron > np - nothing ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:02:14 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Covers, Volume 69 - Most Popular Volume Yet? Bob writes: > 2. Wheatfield - Conversation: What a great suprise! This Houston area band > recorded this originally in the 70's and then re-released it this year, and > I'm glad they did - The track builds into a full-blown bluegrass explosion > with rockin' mando, banjo, and everything else. Lots of fun, maybe too 'busy' > for the purists, but I love it when a band takes a song in a whole new > direction like Wheatfield does here live onstage. http://cdbaby.com/cd/wheatfield You guys have to listen to this cover. The girl's voice doesn't compare to our own Claudia's, but the blue grass sound just blows me away. I've been playing this song over and over. Thanks Bob for the entire CD. This entire covers CD is one of the best yet, so ya'll put your order in now! Also wanted to say congratulations to Sherelle on your wonderful CD. It still blows me away when you sent so many of us the demo, and I'm sure the real one is gonna be a top notch seller. You go girl! Also congrats to Alison and Jeff for their wedding day bliss. We tried to make it, but it just wasn't possible. I wish you both a life of love and laughter. Jimmy NP: Patti Smith "When Doves Cry" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:48:31 -0400 From: Claud9 Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Sherelle's CD release concert Oh what a night! -- Yes, I was there and thanks to John's lovely post, you already know how special the evening was to us and how much Sherelle blew us away - and we already knew of Sherelle's talent and soul. But WOW!!!!!! For me it was an evening of being close to tears nearly the entire time - tears of joy, tears just because... I was so happy for Sherelle, because I know how much hard work it takes to put something like this together, because I know how much it meant to Sherelle, because it was so f#&*ing GREAT!!!!!. It was simply awesome to see Sherelle "Do what she really LOVES to do" and see her come totally alive with all her heart. Giving it all she's got and giving more than I at times felt I could take in. Every note, every gesture, every song felt truly precious and strong and vulnerable. Like something being born right there and then. Yes, that might seem over the top, but it truly felt like that to me. I know Sherelle waited and wished for this for so long - and she electrified us all with her passion which just seemed to explode. It was very emotional and just tremendous to be there. It was not only a stellar performance but it was a real gift to all of us. I honestly feel like I have no words to describe the experience, but I can tell you that I still feel the music, the soul, the passion ring, ring, and ring inside of me. My standing ovation continues and I can't wait for the next time!!!!!! Claudia on 10/2/05 10:44 AM, johnvantiel2002 at johnvantiel@comcast.net wrote: > On stage: a ten-man band (left to right in a semi circle: sax, bass, > keyboards, drums, percussion, guitar, 4 female backup singers. In > front: Sherelle Cary Smith. "Our" Sherelle. > Her CD release party. Her first concert with a full band. > >  and she sang her heart out. > > And Claudia and I were there. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 19:53:13 -0400 From: "Marianne Rizzo" Subject: presents everybody! I anticipation of the big day (November 7, Joni's birthday) lets give each other presents! Here goes. . . . . Send someone on the list (or off) a joni line. . simple You can give as many joni presents as you want. . . they don't have to be in reference to anything. . . just get that joni electricity sparking! I'll start. . . but you can do this privately too. ~If I didn't have love, I'd be nothing. all good things, Marianne _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 10:44:53 +1000 (EST) From: "Melissa Gibbs" Subject: Re: Joni Covers Volume 69 If the latest volume is even half as amusing as Bob's outrageous commentary, it will be a ripper. "Sex Kills" immediately following a Bonk? Bob you had me rolling on the floor laughing! Laughing I said... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:09:04 -0500 From: "mack watson-bush" Subject: not to blame To the knowing here. Listening to 'not to blame.' One of the tunes I have again thanks to limewire. Only had the cassette before and rarely listen to them anymore as they go the way of the 8 track. Have often wondered and want to know, succinctly, is the story true. Did Browne really do it? Was it as they say? mack np: Barry Manilow- Ships ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 00:18:28 -0400 From: Lori Fye Subject: Re: [NortheastJonifest] Sherelle's CD release concert Claudia wrote: > It was simply awesome to see Sherelle "Do what she really LOVES > to do" and see her come totally alive with all her heart. I'm so sorry I couldn't be there ... sounds like I missed an awesome performance. Go, Sherelle! Lori ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #281 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)