From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #278 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, September 30 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 278 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- conversation [Oddmund Kaarevik ] Re: conversation [Nuriel Tobias ] Art ["Cassy" ] Re: Art [Em ] Re: Art [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: Art [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Neil Young interview [Brian Gross ] Re: Art [Smurf ] Re: Art [Em ] Re: Art [Em ] Re: Art ["Michael Flaherty" ] Re: the merits of WTRF [JasonMaloney71@aol.com] WOW! Joni's 2005 Painting on PASTE mag cover [est86mlm@ameritech.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:08:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Oddmund Kaarevik Subject: conversation When morning comes to Morgantown or Treungen or was it a Chelsea morning . . . I don't know. But the rain falls hard on this hum-drum-uffda- in- the middle of nowhere kind of place where I am today. I am tired. But I'm happy, and someone in the room is playing his clarinet, real good for free. . . Makes me kind of wanna dance, almost play soccer. But dearest and funniest and brightest star, almost famous and definately mad, constantly joni-lovable-quoting-persona I've met on this list ('till now!): the one and only: Pattie Parlette, I am afraid your wrong, and Catherine (Anima-rising!) is right. Joni wouldn't be much of a cheer-leader. She would just go off and play pinn-ball in the middle of the game. Or go off to buy cigarettes. And she would laugh hard, needles, guns, and grass lots of laughs lots of laughs, if some of the players fell and broke their leg or neck. But what she could do, I suppose, is to brighten- starbrighten- the cheerleaders with her vivid, warm, engaging, thrilling and catching music. Or if she was in the mood, she could grab her pen and do a really good analysis of both sides, now, the winner, the looser and draw Another borderline, because Everything comes and goes Pleasure moves on too early And trouble leaves too slow. . . Yes that she could do, if she was in the mood. Oh Joni- Oh Canada I am ever so happy that your music reached me. Through the cold and biting and ifreezing irony of N.H. (I'll send him a thank you card, one of these days...) because I'm still on my feet, and still hangin' in here, and on this list: Wish you all: A starbright starbright mroning - day - whatever- with all the lovin' that you like all right Love Oddmund in the middle of nowhere - Norway ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:49:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: conversation You're never at the middle of nowhere when you're here with us:) Take care, Oddmund, Nuri Oddmund Kaarevik wrote: Love Oddmund in the middle of nowhere - Norway - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 07:40:38 -0400 From: "Cassy" Subject: Art From: "Richard Flynn" <<< because, face it, she's a true artist only as a musician and songwriter >>> Art is such a personal thing. We don't all like everything by each artist/musician we profess to enjoy and that's OK but I have always had issues with being labelled a "true" anything. I love most of Joni's music and some of her paintings. The fact that I don't like some of her output doesn't necessarily mean she isn't a "true" artist. Hell, even if I hated ALL of her paintings doesn't negate the fact that she IS an artist regardless of my personal taste. No flame retardent suits required, just my personal opinion. Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 05:55:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Art at the risk of doing a "me too" post..I have to say that some of her work I've seen, is pretty good. And some of it is sort of merely "graduate student" level. A couple of things have struck me as fairly brilliant tho (the "dog/wolf" stuff, for example). Em ps have only seen stuff on album covers and the puter screen tho, would like to know how her surface treatment really is, etc.. - --- Cassy wrote: > From: "Richard Flynn" > > <<< because, face it, she's a true artist only as a musician and > songwriter > >>> > > Art is such a personal thing. We don't all like everything by each > artist/musician we profess to enjoy and that's OK but I have always > had > issues with being labelled a "true" anything. > > I love most of Joni's music and some of her paintings. The fact that > I > don't like some of her output doesn't necessarily mean she isn't a > "true" > artist. Hell, even if I hated ALL of her paintings doesn't negate > the fact > that she IS an artist regardless of my personal taste. > > No flame retardent suits required, just my personal opinion. > > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:21:31 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Art Pleas see http://www.jonimitchell.com/DiaryDecade/art.htm Yes, Art is entirely subjective (well, in my opinion!). I do love Joni's artwork especially the late 70's to 1994 stuff. I haven't seen anything that I particularly liked after that period as figurative art is more about personal taste and I think even she said that she painted things to match her couch... which is fine, actually... I'm doing a painting for my mother's 60th and it's going to hang in the dinig room so it'll have to have a warm peach undertone. Which is already a limitation... I wonder what colour Joni's couch is? Em, having seen her art at an exhibition, her tratment of surface changes. The Mingus painting is very much flat colour, where the medium is almost ground into the canvas, also from the the same period 'Malibu Fire' and 'Before The Avalanche' the surface is really flat. but her mid-80s work where she got into abstract expressionism, the surface gained more texture and vibrancy (The Basket Weavers, or The Junk in Ole's Yard, or the wonderfully titled, sadly not included, Pealing Sheep Like Tangerines) The last favourite painting of hers I like is Turbulent Indigo, just because she gets it right, it is perfectly sculpted in paint. Sadly I have never seen it, just in reproduction on posters. Yes, her later works (see paintings in Dreamland or TTT or even BSN, apart from the cover of BSN, which I love, the later works seem more homely 'would go nice in the hall' type efforts. I do like the paintings in TBOS though... And so what, she works fm photographs, I work from slides so that's cheating even more! It's a compositors tool... I love talking JoniArt, we could ALL have a say... Much Joni Jamie Zoob who should've un-subbed weeks ago, but I can't help myself!!!! - --- Em wrote: > at the risk of doing a "me too" post..I have to say > that some of her > work I've seen, is pretty good. And some of it is > sort of merely > "graduate student" level. > A couple of things have struck me as fairly > brilliant tho (the > "dog/wolf" stuff, for example). > Em > ps have only seen stuff on album covers and the > puter screen tho, would > like to know how her surface treatment really is, > etc.. > > --- Cassy wrote: > > > > Art is such a personal thing. We don't all like > everything by each > > artist/musician we profess to enjoy and that's OK > but I have always > > had > > issues with being labelled a "true" anything. > > > > I love most of Joni's music and some of her > paintings. The fact that > > I > > don't like some of her output doesn't necessarily > mean she isn't a > > "true" > > artist. Hell, even if I hated ALL of her > paintings doesn't negate > > the fact > > that she IS an artist regardless of my personal > taste. > > Cassy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:55:37 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Art Jamie writes: > I do love Joni's artwork especially the > late 70's to 1994 stuff. I haven't seen anything that > I particularly liked after that period as figurative > art is more about personal taste and I think even she > said that she painted things to match her couch... > which is fine, actually... I'm doing a painting for my > mother's 60th and it's going to hang in the dinig room > so it'll have to have a warm peach undertone. Which is > already a limitation... I wonder what colour Joni's > couch is? > First off, put me in the "me too" category! Although there are some of her pieces I don't particularly care for, I love my of Joni's artwork, even her newer pieces. I have her BSN painting hanging in my living room, and it looks beautiful. As for Joni's couch, I can't tell what color it is but the walls in this photo are a dark dark blue. http://jonimitchell.com/JoniTrip.html Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Neil Young interview On tomorrow's (Friday Sept 30) broadcast of Fresh Air, Terry Gross will interview Neil Young. Many NPR stations webcast their shows, and I also believe that npr.org will also have the show in their archives after the broadcast. - --- J Harney wrote: > Like another recent poster, I admit that I don't read > every post, therefore I must apologize if this is old > news or a redundancy in any way. I am just catching > up with an interview Neil Young gave to Time in which > he talks about his recent illness and his new album. I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all --Joan, with the wisdom of the ages __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:39:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Art - --- Em wrote: << ps have only seen stuff on album covers and the puter screen tho, would like to know how her surface treatment really is, etc. >> Hi, Em! Someone who attended the Mendel show a few years ago noted here that the surfaces on some of Joni's paintings are extremely over painted and are already starting to chip, flake and otherwise deteriorate. She may be an "artist" as a painter, but Joni's paintings, to me, are derivative of stuff I've seen elsewhere many times -- particularly her "snapshot" paintings, which have been a staple of her recent art. And speaking of snapshots, why on earth does she rely so much on photographs for her paintings? That just seems wrong to me, or at best, something a painter might experiment with, but not something worth getting hung up on for years, particularly when the result has been so-so at best. In words and music, however, I think Joni's output cannot be beat, period. For me, that is where her art has been much more than just the kind of "art" that we're all capable of making in one way or another. In words and music her work has been masterful. So perhaps as a lonely painter she is an artist, even by more strict definitions of the word "artist" than mine. But as a musician/singer/songwriter, she has been a genius. If Joni wants to paint for the rest of her life, that's fine with me. (As if I get a vote.) If that's what makes her happy, I truly would prefer that she do that from now on, rather than giving me more music for the soundtrack of my life. I'm beyond thankful. I've been listening to her for more than 30 years now and I am still discovering new things about her music all the time. But the simple fact is, I won't hold my breath waiting for Joni to paint a painting that rivals even the *lyrics* of, say, the songs 'Blue' or 'Amelia', let alone their music or vocal and instrumental performances. - --Smurf, sitting up here -- the critic! -- and not even thinking about getting into the whole concept of the validity judging art because I do it all the time __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Art - --- Smurf wrote: > But the simple fact is, I won't hold my breath waiting > for Joni to paint a painting that rivals even the > *lyrics* of, say, the songs 'Blue' or 'Amelia', let > alone their music or vocal and instrumental > performances. Hehhehh, good thing we're not holding our breath, huh Smurf? for paintings OR for new songs! :) Em ps: by the way, finally gave Chinese Cafe a good listen the other night when it popped up on my iPod after having bought it way back a few months ago when some listers were talking about it. Had only listened superficially before. So I'm wanting to know, is the rest of the album just as good? Just read this RS review http://www.rollingstone.com/reviews/album/_/id/109162/jonimitchell?pageid=rs.ArtistDiscography&pageregion=triple1&rnd=1128030246328&has-player=unknown and, hmm I don't trust it for some reason, lol, maybe I should. Is it as decent as the review suggests? hard for me to judge from sound clips ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 15:32:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Em Subject: Re: Art hi Jamie. just went and looked; thanks for that link. Some I find quite attractive and think that as objects (things that take up space in the room with you) they must be fairly fascinating too. I'd let one smile on my wall anytime. :) Em - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > Pleas see > http://www.jonimitchell.com/DiaryDecade/art.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 19:45:48 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: Art On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:47:42 -0700 (PDT) Em wrote: > ps: by the way, finally gave Chinese Cafe a good listen >the other night > when it popped up on my iPod after having bought it way >back a few > months ago when some listers were talking about it. Had >only listened > superficially before. So I'm wanting to know, is the >rest of the album > just as good? IMO, no. I think CC is by far the best track. The album (WTRF) begins the 80s period: fairly slick and very "rock", especially after DJRD and M. That said, w/ Love, Ladies Man and a couple others, it's worth getting. In fact, I can't imagine not owning any of her albums; I just wouldn't put this one anywhere near the top. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 22:19:56 EDT From: JasonMaloney71@aol.com Subject: Re: the merits of WTRF Hi Em, Quite why I'm still not sure, but WTRF is my least favourite of the 80s albums. There's a lot of pointers, musically, to what followed on DED and CMIARS but perhaps it's the production which stops me rating it as highly as its successors. I'm a sucker for slick, cohesive-sounding records, always have been. Even CMIARS comes a bit unstuck in that department, with the dirgesome Tea Leaf Prophecy, but there's still a dreamlike, widescreen aspect to Chalk Mark.. which is in contrast to WTRF's comparitively (in Joni terms) orthodox rock sensibilities. I like Chinese Cafe a lot, although it's probably not quite the best track on the album. Be Cool and a few others just pip it for me. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:24:25 -0500 From: est86mlm@ameritech.net Subject: WOW! Joni's 2005 Painting on PASTE mag cover Well, I was surprised.......after being out all day to come home to my mail and see a painting on the cover of my newest issue (Issue 18 October) of PASTE magazine that looks somewhat familiar......I thought to myself, "this sure looks like a painting of Joni's"........and then I had to laugh at myself for even thinking that. Then the 'J' of her signature caught my eye.........and the date of 2005. I'm so excited.........I'm ready to frame the cover! I think Joni was excited also to be asked to do this. I can just see her excitedly digging for her paints. See the cover here: http://www.pastemusic.com/product/1231 Wish I could enlarge it for you all. The cover is a painting of Orlando Bloom, Kirsten Dunst and Cameron Crowe. How this came about is on page 20, E D I T O R I A L DRAWING INSPIRATION: By Josh Jackson, Editor The year was 1979. Cameron Crowe waiting in the office of Joni Mitchell's manager for the singer/songwriter's first in-depth interview in a decade, an interview that was..along with Marvin Gaye and Neil Young--on the young music journalist's list of dream assignments. It would be Crowe's final cover story for Rolling Stone; his next project, a book about a bunch of high-school kids in California, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, launched him into the world of film. So while brainstorming how to portray Crowe on the cover of PASTE for his latest movie, Elizabethtown, it was the filmmaker who suggested we approach his friend Joni for an illustration. She graciously accepted the challenge and began pouring over photos from Elizabethtown and footage from the movie's Kentucky shoot. We'd asked her to work in the 'coloring book' painting style she'd last used in the mid '70's for her cover of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young's 'So Far'. "I haven't painted [like that] in years," Mitchell says. But spending the late summer at her residence in Sechelt, B.C. she found the exact painting kit she'd used for those famous portraits. I hadn't seen it in 30 years. I opened up the caps with trepidation. I thought they'd all be dried up. Some colors had, but many hadn't. I had a limited palette! But I think all the elements are there - the black [horse farm] fences, the green grass of Kentucky, and an indication of those flowering fruit trees. It's pretty abstract." Crowe was an obvious choice for our second film cover story, as much for his ebullience and optimism as for his background writing about rock legends and the musical quality of his filmmaking. Since we launched the magazine, he's been on our own directorial version of that dream-interview shortlist, along with West Anderson (check), Jim Jarmusch (check), and Paul Thomas Anderson (who should expect to hear from us soon). Like everyone else, we have our favorite leading men and women. But with an overemphasis on the celebrity of actors, everywhere we turn, it's the auteurs we're most interested in - the writer/directors who, like our favorite singer/songwriters, tell beautiful stories about what it means (and feels like) to be human. Considering himself a writer primarily, Crowe avoids the Hollywood scene that his A-list status affords him. "If that's your life, the next step is you're making movies about making movies, and the next step up after that is the abyss," he says. "Because you're not writing and capturing what real life is like." My Morning Jacket, the Kentucky five-piece Crowe cast as a local upstart band in Elizabethtown, also eschews the hipster scene. "There are so many...people like us when we were kids - who love music, and also love baseball, and also love movies," frontman Jim James told our associate editor Reid Davis, who joined the band for a bus ride from Buffalo, N.Y. to its homebase in Louisville, Ky. "They don't care what the cool clothes are. They don't care what the cool haircut is."................. On page 26 CONTRIBUTORS is this picture of Joni ( http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article?article_id=1140). Underneath the picture is the words: JONI MITCHELL (cover illustration) is a songwriter, singer, guitarist, poet and painter. Director Cameron Crowe, whose idea it was to have Paste tap Mitchell for the cover, interviewed Mitchell in 1979 for his last cover feature as a regular contributor to Rolling Stone. Mitchell's output of 21 albums over 30-plus years - including the landmarks Blue (1971), Court and Spark (1974), and Dog Eat Dog (1985) - is widely regarded as one of the most significant consistent collections of work by any artist of her generation. http://www.elizabethtown.com/home.html (FYI: Official movie website) Laura WARNING! 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