From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #273 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 25 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 273 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: dualities ["Jeff Hankins" ] Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Mark-Leon Thorn] YouSendIt Delivery Notification: River.mp3 [] Re: dualities ["Mark Scott" ] Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons [Bob Muller ] No Tofu Today For JVT's Birthday! ["Scott and Jody" ] Joni Stickers (and magnet)! [Patti Witten ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 09:01:40 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Re: dualities Mark: Of course : 'DJRD' ! You're absolutely right - that's a great Duality song - and I shouldn't have omitted it. On the line of development its a major stop. I'm still asking though - is this a line of progressive enlightenment, or re-statements of the same. Whaddya think? And I'm really pleased you love Shadows and Light - I'm asking no-one to apologize! (Like I said, I just wish I liked it more) Hope Rickie Lee was good for you! Jeff - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Scott" To: "Jeff Hankins" ; Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: Re: dualities > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jeff Hankins" > > < > she has a special gift for expressing duality.>> > > > > > > 'Both Sides Now' is the daddy of them: its still online) > > > > 'Shadows and Light':> > > 'Borderline' > > You left out what to my mind is her most exhaustive exploration of the > subject: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > > And I like 'Shadows and Light'. Especially the gospel rendering on the live > album of the same name. I think the song is beautifully constructed with > very carefully chosen images and subjects for each verse. Maybe that makes > it mechanical and contrived. I don't care. I still love it and I think > it's beautiful and brilliant, just like Joni and Jenny Cavalleri. So I > won't apologize for loving it or Joni or Jenny because love means never > having to say you're sorry. (Just ask Tatum O'Neal.) > > Mark E. in Seattle > excited because I'm going to see Rickie Lee Jones in a 300 seat venue in > Seattle on Sunday night. Taking my copy of 'Duchess of Coolsville' along, > just in case! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 19:18:04 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons I have been fascinated by the discussion line about A Case of You. I have often wondered who Joni was referring to in many of her songs. It was also mentioned a while back that Windfall was written about a deceitful episode with her maid. Another song I have wondered about for years is, Strange Boy. Can anyone shed any light on who she was singing about? Mark in Sydney NP I Can't Untie You - Grayson Hugh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:06:06 -0700 From: Subject: YouSendIt Delivery Notification: River.mp3 Hello, You've got a file called "River.mp3" (7948 KB) from jonipd@gmail.com waiting for download. jonipd@gmail.com says: Hi, Dears! A "little bird" has sent me this curious River cover: it's smokin'! I don't know nothing about Yo La Tengo (what is they have?) but this doesn't give me wishes to hear more from them... Anyway, here it is... if you want it. yo la tengo... tu' la tienes tambie'n (I've got it... you've got, too) Have a Wonderful time! Emiliano You can click on the following link to retrieve your file. The link will expire in 7 days and will be available for a limited number of downloads. Regular link (for all web browsers): http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2BWLSEZ7IK96B20EG0MM1KQJRL - ----- File too big for email? Try YouSendIt at http://www.yousendit.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:36:04 -0700 From: "Mark Scott" Subject: Re: dualities - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Hankins" > Mark: > > Of course : 'DJRD' ! You're absolutely right - that's a great Duality > song - > and I shouldn't have omitted it. On the line of development its a major > stop. I'm still asking though - is this a line of progressive > enlightenment, > or re-statements of the same. Whaddya think? I don't think 'S&L' and 'DJRD' are restatements of the same things as 'BSN'. Good as 'Both Sides Now' is, I think it is rudimentary compared to 'DJRD'. In the early song she tackles clouds, love, and life, progressively broadening her scope with each verse. Granted, life is a pretty all-encompassing subject. But in both 'S&L' and 'DJRD' she touches on aspects of life that she never really addresses in 'BSN'. Religion, have and have not, good and evil, wrong and right, good and bad in the aesthetic sense and how we view or refuse to look at them (or maybe are incapable of seeing them) in 'S&L'. In 'DJRD' she throws in the whole male/female dynamic and the good and bad aspects of society and just a whole bunch of stuff that I doubt she had even begun to think about or at least to define when she wrote 'Both Sides Now'. By the mid-70s she had read a lot more, lived more life and thought a lot more about everything. That analytical mind had done some maturing and growing and it shows in her writing in a big way, imo. 'Banquet' is another good example of her exploration of duality although not as clear cut a one on one comparison as these other three. And I have never thought of 'Borderline' as an exploration of duality so much as I think of it as an expose of the artificial distinctions or boundaries that people put up that are divisive and destructive of true dialogue and communion. Aside from the line 'Good or bad/we think we know' I don't see a positive being set off against the negative things she's talking about in this song. True, she is talking about divisions and people lining up on either side of them. But the divisions are illusory and there is no actual positive/negative dynamic that would constitute a true duality. There's just a negative perception set up against another negative perception. No balance, no wrong or right, and not even one specific thing set against another but a multitude of perceived and usually petty differences. Maybe I'm splitting hairs here. Curiously, I am reading E. M. Forster's 'A Passage to India' right now wherein this is a major theme so it has been running through my head. Rickie Lee is tomorrow night. I can't wait! Mark E. in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Your memory is very good, Garret - ah, the benefits of youth! Here's an mp3 of that recording, which I'm told is from 1970: http://s43.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3FYJDJ2BLA4U03C1ZLHYYFEXFJ And a BIG thanks to everyone who took the time to send me birthday greetings, much appreciated. Y'all are a good bunch of friends of spirit. Bob NP: Yo La Tengo, "River"...THANKS Emiliano, mi hermano - me gusta mucho! Abrazos para ti!! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:45:59 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Joni: dualities I "hear" duality from her very first album. In "Cactus Tree" Joni said, > She will love them when she sees them They will lose her if they follow And she only means to please them And her heart is full and hollow Like a cactus tree While she's so busy being free> She even has "homes" in two countries. One's in LA, (the capital of appearances and celebrity) and the other a hand-built cabin without any pretense at all. She's a living reminder that balance is key. You asked, > is there any progression to Joni's explorations of the dualities theme, or just re-statements of the same basic premise? Discuss.> I guess we've been discussing this for more than nine years. I think it's the same circle, painted in a (seemingly) endless variety of media and light. Although the music sounds very different, her viewpoint in "Cactus Tree" is recognizable in "Down To You". Joni Mitchell said, >The gift goes on.> Neil Young said, >It's all the same song anyway.> Jim Jeff said in part, >I hadn't thought of Barangrill as taking its place in that great line of duality songs - but of course in its own way it does) That line goes from Both Sides Now, of course, through Shadows and Light, on to Borderline - with lots of minor reference points in between.> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 15:58:07 -0400 From: "Scott and Jody" Subject: No Tofu Today For JVT's Birthday! Happy Birthday to our Uncle John Van Tiel, the Original Dutch Treat!!!! Jody and Scott xoooooooooooBig Hug! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:14:51 -0500 From: "Music Is Special" Subject: Wailin' Jennys If you haven't heard the Wailin' Jennys, some of you might really like them. I saw them for the second time last night and they were again fantastic. Three female Canadian singer-songwriters who are all muti-instrumentalists. They all write really good songs but they also do covers of a variety of folks such as Leadbelly, The Clancey Brothers,John Haitt and Emmylou Harris. I first saw them with Garrison Keilor and they said last night they will be back on his show Oct 22nd. You can hear a pin drop when they do their three-part acapella harmonies -- the audience was wowed both time. I highly recommend seeing them Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 18:28:01 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Joni Stickers (and magnet)! There was some talk here on the OnlyJoni list about having Joni-related bumper stickers. I love the idea, so I went ahead and made some items, with Les Irvin's blessing. They are available for ordering online with a credit card from my cafepress.com store. All sales come with a money back guarantee. Some of the net from each sale will go to jmdl.com. Although these items are all under $5, you might find the prices a little high compared to most stickers and magnets. The reason is that these are made "on demand," not in bulk. The 3 stickers and one magnet bear the slogans: WWJD What Would Joni Do? (rectangle sticker and magnet) SIQUOMB, isn't she? (bumper sticker) My other car is a Big Yellow Taxi (oval sticker) Take a look and tell me what you think. I'm open to suggestions for improvements. There are other products, like buttons and hats if there is interest. That's the beauty of "on demand." I can whip up something specific without an investment of cash up-front. Here is the link: http://cafepress.com/pattiwitten If there is a lot of demand I'll open a store dedicated to Joni Swag. BTW could someone post this to the big list? I am not subscribed at the moment. Oh and of course feel free to purchase one of my own T-Shirts :)) Cheers, Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #273 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)