From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #272 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, September 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 272 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: A Case of You [Karen Marie Espeland ] Re: Joni at the Hague (27 April 1983) for free!! [Emiliano ] Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle ["Michael Flaherty" ] Joni Magi and the contest ["Michael O'Malley" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:49:38 +0200 From: Karen Marie Espeland Subject: Re: A Case of You Thanks a lot, both of you!! This was certainly relevant! All the best, Karen Marie, Oslo PS: 'Uffda!' made my day too!! :) On 9/23/05, Michael O'Malley wrote: > > > Could some smart person on this list please find the recent post > explaining > the spiritual underpinnings of ACOY. I can't seem to find this post. Karen > Marie requested it for her thesis on Joni. Unfortunately, I don't remember > how to search the smoe archives efficiently. > > Thanks > > Michael in Quebec ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:08:45 +0200 From: Emiliano Subject: Re: Joni at the Hague (27 April 1983) for free!! Hi, folks! Our Great, dear and much admired John sent this to our fellow Duarte in the beautiful Azores island: Dank, John! Well, I asked Duarte for it... and it just has come to your spanish friend's house... I'm delighted by it!!! A pristine (FM source) from that great tour... Muito Obrigado, Duarte! You know: ask me for it; what are you waiting for? You'll sure have a... Wonderful time! Yours: Emiliano ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:04:01 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle Oh Patti, Patti!!! You make me fall in love with Joni's music all over again every time you write!!! I've never seen anyone quote her like you!!!! It makes my heart smile!!!! Now I'm singing, "Don't interrupt the sorrow...darn right..." Oh horrors! A choice??? If I could only bring one CD I would bring "Court and Spark". If I could bring two, I would bring Court and Spark and "Shadows and Light". I'm voting for your first spin to be "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow"! Congratulations on the new car! I have felt your car pain!!! I know how great it is to finally get a reliable vehicle!!!! My last one caught on fire after I parked it!!! (Ha! Ha!) Love, Sherelle Patti wrote: Dear Joniamigos: I just had to write and share my excitement: in two hours or so, I will be travelling in some new vehicle! And for the first time ever, I will have a CD player in my vehicle, so I've a head full of quandary. What CD shall christen this new vehicle? I've narrowed it down to one artiste -- no quandary there! -- but which CD to play? And which SONG? This is a momentous (sp?) decision. I know no one is going to show me everything, for this is a purely personal choice. The old question: which CD would you bring if you were to be stranded on a desert isle? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:59:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: ISO: Joni Covers Vol 31-40 and Vol 41-50 Once again: I'm looking for these 2 sets of Bob Muller's covers that seem to have disappeared from circulation. If you have either or both, please write me offlist so that I might get them back into circulation. Thanks I also still have a couple of copies of 'Joni at the Hague' available for residents of The Continent of North America FOR FREE. Ask and ye shall receive. Later, my friends, Brian in south jersey, with an ear on the progress of that bitch Rita in the Gulf. np: BBC world service on npr I've looked at love from both sides now From give and take, and still somehow It's love's illusions I recall I really don't know love at all --Joan, with the wisdom of the ages __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:55 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle Dearest Joniamigos: I'm just chicken-scratching here to thank you all for your wonderful posts and advice and kindnesses. All sorrow has been interrupted. Darn right! Woman she bounce back easy. And despite some of the crazy you get from too much choice, the desert island CD and numero uno song choice was really quite easy in the end. Of *course*, it was Hejira -- (impossibly gentle) hands down! I will tell you about the night ride home in the new space buggy. Once in a while in a big blue moon there comes a night like this, driving between the fine white lines on the free free way, feeling unfettered and alive, thinking: "You know, I'm sooo glaaaad to be on my own!" Westbound and rolling (rolling, rolling, rock and rollllllinnnng), taking refuge in the roads, round the curve, on the road to Bellejoni near Ashara's old hometown (yes -- I bought this car in Ashara's old hometown!), climbing climbing climbing the hill, into the driveway of my little ranch house on the hill. And I didn't even drive it in to a ditch, you son of a b@#$h Muller! (LOL....that was really funny!) Then today, driving into Morning UConn Town, it was all Joni. Yep. Hejira again. Can there be too much of a good thing? I'm afraid so. I hate to tell you, but I think this CD player is going to make my JMOCD even worse. When I get this crazy feeling I know I'm in trouble again. Oh Joni, you turn me on. I'm a CD player! Joni Mitchell Obsessive Compulsive Disorder meets Joni Mitchell On CD should make for a doubly troubled child. I wish you all no flat tires and love love is precious no flat tires love love is precious no flat tires love love is precious, - -- Patti P. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:46:41 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: Joni's History (In History) Hi Joey, you really have been whipping up some excitement with all this talk about the early years! Funnily enough, i have been listening a lot to the handful of 1960's bootlegs that i have over the last while. When i first got these a few years ago i was enchanted. But, of course, they get filed away and not listened to often. For some reason i pulled them out last week and have been playing them daily. How much fun is it to hear Ballerina Valerie and The London Bridge Song? To hear Cactus Tree in a different form? how great are What's The Story Mr. Blue and Born To Take The Highway? And these are all from the same disc! (If anyone wants me to copy what i have for them email me off list). So I take it from your posts that a Joni Mitchell boxset is not just a rumour we perpetuate to comfort ourselves in the absence of any new music from her? With the recent great reviews for the reissue of DJRD how can Joni not realise that there is an audience hungry to hear from her? And Catherine - what a lovely post. I don't like to do gushing too often either, but that was not gushing!! GARRET NP- Joni, Rainy Night House/Blue Boy medley 30.11.69 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:01:50 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: sjc, travelling in some new vehicle On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 16:34:55 +0000 "Patti Parlette" wrote: > Dearest Joniamigos: > > I'm just chicken-scratching here to thank you all for >your wonderful posts and advice and kindnesses. All >sorrow has been interrupted. etc. That post was SO cool. :) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:23:32 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'The Music Beat' The following article has just been added to the JMDL Library: Title: The Music Beat Publication: Ottawa Citizen Date: 1968-4-19 Type: News Item Find it here under 'Most recent additions...': http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:24:44 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'Quietness, Space Haunt Songs' The following article has just been added to the JMDL Library: Title: Quietness, Space Haunt Songs Publication: Ottawa Citizen Date: 1969-7-3 Type: Interview Find it here under 'Most recent additions...': http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 11:36:51 +0100 From: Garret Subject: Re: A Case of You' and Joni Mitchell's romantic liaisons Hi Karen Marie, I hope you've been sent in interesting directions. Perosnally i had thought the song was about Cohen, but the persuasive cases put forth by varous JMDLers over the years prompted me to revise this a little. I liked the idea mentioned recently that each verse could be about a different man. I don't think Joni was this calculated with it. I really feel that the sum of her expereinces was poured into each line. Each verse may well refer specifically to one individual, but there is a universality, an honesty of emotion that surely cannot be pinned to one specific experience the songwritier had with one specific person. If you have a lot of time it might be worthwhile searching the JMDL archives (i don't know how to do this). Of course, the JMDL library is THE BEST resource when it comes to any thing Joni. I don't know if this is at all relevant or helpful, but i thought i would bring it up: Around 1972 or 1973 Joni performed the song with alternate lyrics. I don't know exactly where or when. I had this on disc once but seem to have misplaced it. I have tried, from memory, to give these lyrics: Just before our ship got lost you said "I am as constant as a northern star" "YOu're Silly as a northern fish" says I If you want me I'll be in the bar" On the back of a cartoon coaster pad That didn't make me laugh at all I drew a map of Canada Oh Canada And i charted our last squall Oh you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling And i'd still be on my feet oh I would still be on my feet Oh I am a lonely painter I live in a box of paints I'm frightened by the devil And I'm scared to death by saints I remember when ????? you told me ???? "Love is touching souls" Surely you touched mine 'Cause part of you pours out of me In black and red designs Oh, you're in my blood like holy wine You taste so bitter and so sweet Oh I could drink a case of you darling And I would still be on my feet I would still be on my feet I met a woman She had a mouth like yours She knew your life Your devils and your deeds And she said "Go to him, stay with him if you can But be prepared to bleed" Oh but you are in my blood You're my holy wine You taste so bitter, bitter and so sweet Oh, I could drink a case of you darling And i'd still be on my feet Yes, I'd still be on my feet - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:52:28 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request Ok, I started thinking. Then I quickly made 3 simple bumper sticker images, which I can upload to my cafipress.com store. The beauty of this is that people can order them "on demand" and online, just like any merchandise. 10" x 3.24" color, vinyl bumper stickers would cost $5 each. The base cost is $3.99 each, and the net profit of $2.01 can go to... Jmdl.com as a donation? Here's my request: can I do this, or is it a bad idea... and can I have permission from someone at jmdl -- maybe Les Irvin AKA "Cheap Executive Officer" according to the website :) -- to use the slogans: What Would Joni Do? My Other Car is a Big Yellow Taxi SIQUOMB, isn't she? She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty Joni Never Lies What do you think? Btw this is my store www.cafepress.com/pattiwitten Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:56:01 -0400 From: Patti Witten Subject: Joni Bumper stickers idea, and a formal request (more) The reason I asked for permission to use the slogans is because there are legal considerations for content... Can't use images or words copyrighted elsewhere. This is from the cafepress.com website: > Cafi press IMAGE GUIDELINES > > You may not sell or save merchandise using the following types of content, > unless you own the content and/or have a license to use it. > > * NO UNOFFICIAL MERCHANDISE E.g., using names or images of musicians, bands, > sports teams, athletes etc. without permission, even for fan club purposes. > Learn more > > > * NO CONTENT DOWNLOADED FROM INTERNET Learn more > > > * NO NAMES/LOGOS OF COMPANIES OR ORGANIZATIONS E.g., NeoPets, Lakers, Dr. > Pepper, Tommy Hilfiger etc. Learn more > > > * NO TRADEMARKED TAGLINES E.g., Just Do It, The Ultimate Driving Machine, Got > Milk? etc. Learn more > > > * NO IMAGES OR LIKENESS OF FAMOUS PEOPLE E.g., photos of Pamela Anderson, > Britney Spears, Brad Pitt, Michael Jordan, Homer Simpson etc. Learn more > > > * NO MANIPULATED CONTENT E.g., using a company's logo as a basis of your > design Learn more > > > * NO PHOTOS OR IMAGES OF KNOWN COPYRIGHTS E.g., Mickey Mouse, Dragonball Z, > Godzilla, Barbie etc. Learn more > > > * NO SEXUALLY EXPLICIT CONTENT Learn more > > > * NO COPYING OF PREVIOUSLY PUBLISHED MATERIAL E.g., books, magazines, > publications etc. Learn more > Patti - -- Patti Witten http://pattiwitten.com Hurricane Katrina Aid - Donate to: - - The American Red Cross National Disaster Fund http://redcross.org - - The ASPCA Disaster Relief Fund http://tinyurl.com/bx2wd - - The American Humane Society Disaster Relief Teams https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005/ - - Sycamore Tryst: profits to Red Cross http://cdbaby.com/witten3 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 00:47:28 +0100 From: "Jeff Hankins" Subject: Joni: dualities Jim L'Hommedieu said <> And yes, I've been mulling that over a little ( I hadn't thought of Barangrill as taking its place in that great line of duality songs - but of course in its own way it does) That line goes from Both Sides Now, of course, through Shadows and Light, on to Borderline - with lots of minor reference points in between. 'Both Sides Now' is the daddy of them: this is the folkloric standard, up there with nursery rhymes, Blowin in the Wind, and Stephen Foster singalongs. (My 'Pride' note: When putting together his Hits & Misses site Wally Breese asked if I'd do the essay on BSN. No other takers, can you believe it?!. I checked yesterday: pleased to say its still online) 'Shadows and Light': I have to confess - I don't like this song as much as I wish I did, and as much as I have tried to. There's something about it that just feels a little mechanical and contrived. Sorry and all that - still, I appreciate the sentiments. 'Borderline' feels altogether a more organic cohesion of a song. Its exploration of dualities is a mature, probing one. It's a great work, I think. What I wonder (and there's room for a thesis here) - is there any progression to Joni's explorations of the dualities theme. or just re-statements of the same basic premise? Discuss. In her performance-history (as opposed to her writing-history), I like the fact that she comes back to BSN, but with a different voice, a more reflective arrangement. And forgive me, but I feel a burst of very relevant TS Eliot: 'We shall not cease from exploration And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time.' (Four Quartets) That's what that orchestral version makes me think - the leisurely, sinuous, mercurial performance, rather than the (by comparison) harsher voiced, strident strum of the Clouds version. We're back where we started, but its different too: we're knowing the truth of 'I really don't know life at all' for the first time - maybe? You're so right, Jim, about Joni's 'gift for expressing and exploring duality' - and its more than just a neat ear for balanced epithets and paired images: it offers, if we can hear it, a very humane perspective, inviting us to wonder and delight at a life which always surprises us by offering conflicting and unpredictable juxtapositions ; and warning us against the dangers of polarizing, against the brash 'certainties' of any kind of blinkered fundamentalisms, against the drawing up of militaristic 'borderlines' which deny human impulses toward dialogue and empathy. When you get down to it, 'Something lost and something gained/ in living every day' retains a startling profundity. And 'I really don't know life at all' has a necessary humility to guard against any pompous stance on experience. Thanks for setting the wheels in motion, Jim Jeff, Wales ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:31:54 +0000 From: "Michael O'Malley" Subject: Joni Magi and the contest Re: ACOY - Well Done Nicola, thank you. That was what I was looking for. I like the quotes you chose for the contest. My pick would be Just like this train - ``lately I don't count on nothing - I just let things slide`` Michael in Quebec _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft. SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN. 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Mark E. in Seattle excited because I'm going to see Rickie Lee Jones in a 300 seat venue in Seattle on Sunday night. Taking my copy of 'Duchess of Coolsville' along, just in case! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #272 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)