From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #254 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, September 6 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 254 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- From Kauai [] Re: From Kauai [Nicola Larosa ] blackbird [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #253 [StDoherty@aol.com] Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 51-60 of JM Covers [JLoehr4988@a] Re: blackbird [Bob Muller ] Re: blackbird [Randy Remote ] Re: blackbird [Smurf ] Neil Young's "The Painter", sjc ["Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: From Kauai Ive been watching and listening to everything concerning the katrina hurricane and i am not suprised at all that some people on tthis list want to blame bush for every problem that involves anything to do with government. i wasnt expecting this recurring bias until the next presidential run. some of the posts in the last week are in my opinion absolute shibai . im stunned...how can you love joni but have so much hate in your heart.... i dont get it. maybe because i live on a small island..... and for the benefit of the free world please try and run micheal moore in the next presidential election...cynical and drunck sitting in some dark cafe..aloha dean ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 09:42:33 +0200 From: Nicola Larosa Subject: Re: From Kauai > Ive been watching and listening to everything concerning the katrina hurricane Will everyone please specify the NJC acronym (meaning No Joni Content) in the subject when that's actually the case? We subscribers to the onlyjoni version of the mailing list will be very grateful for that. Thank you. :-) - -- Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:08:51 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: blackbird Many many years ago, I figured out a passable version of Blackbird that I lived with until now for my personal playing purposes. However, for a while, I have had a 'realization' (from all of my Joni playing) that this song must have been played in open G.' In looking at a couple of internet tabs (I only began a very cursory lookup) of Blackbird, I noticed that those arrangements were very similar to mine (standard tuning). Today I sat down and began to transpose it into open G. From the 'colorations' , I am more inclined to believe that it is played in open G. Furthermore, all of the chord shapes used are those used by Joni - they can all pretty much be found in either Marcie or the Gallery. If anyone is interested, I would be happy to share my insights (perhaps one of you could tab it). Which leads me to another thought. One of the sites claims that this was purportedly written by Paul (circa 1968 ?) about a black girl ('bird') during the civil rights movement. However, the timing of this work (so few Paul solo guitar solos - does anyone have a proper tab for Yesterday, which also is obviously (to my ear) written in an alternate tuning ?) and of Joni's Marcie and Gallery suggests a connection of some sort to me - is it impossible that they met around that time and shared some chord shapes? Which direction such sharing may have gone I am not sure, but if I had to venture a guess it would be Joni to Paul. Of course, there is the possible Keith Richards connection to consider, too. Also, the title of this song - Black(crow) - rings a bell somewhere in my head :-) When did John tell Joni to put some fiddles on it, I wonder ? We know from the London Bridge song that Joni had been to London while still on the coffeehouse circuit, no ? Ah, I'm a nut. But we guitarists hear things. Is this a bad thing ? Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:33:14 EDT From: StDoherty@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #253 The recent postings about rap and Joni's use of the word rap brought this column to mind ... for those interested - check it out. An interesting perspective. The inevitable growth into our parents happens ... least we aren't saying "You can't tell the boys from the girls .... " _Click here: Rap focuses its beat on social ills -- timesunion.com_ (http://timesunion.com/AspStories/story.asp?storyID=390680&category=DIANECAM&BCCode=&n ewsdate=9/5/2005) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 11:02:54 EDT From: JLoehr4988@aol.com Subject: Re: Perpetual Joni Covers Train: Volumes 51-60 of JM Covers Hi all....I am done burning and ready to send out this interesting batch of joni covers to whom ever would like them next..please e-mail me off list... Regards, Judy (CT) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 12:14:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: blackbird Wow, it's getting to be like a family reunion around here lately, what with all these long-silent types chiming in again. Cool! I don't know the exact timing of that John Lennon statement, I'd guess it to be around the early 70's And yes, she made some appearances in England early on, and played some shows (like the one in Leicester that we've got a copy of) and also shopping her songs around, hence you get some early British folk covers of songs she never recorded, like The Foggy Dew-O doing "Born To Take The Highway" (and BSN), Fairport Convention doing "Eastern Rain" (and a host of others) and The Ian Campbell Folk Group doing "Dr. Junk" (and "Circle Game"). Bob NP: The New Pornographers, "The New Face Of Zero and One" PS: Your post reminded me of an anecdote that Michael told me about a guitar store that had a sign up that said "No Stairway To Heaven or Blackbird!" - --------------------------------- Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2005 15:10:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: blackbird Bob, I bet your open-G version sounds cool. McCartney played it in standard tuning, however. Yesterday was played in standard, too, with the guitar tuned down 1 step. So he was playing G but it's in F. The only Beatles song I'm aware of in open tuning is Dear Prudence, played in drop-D (standard but low E dropped to D). I think Bob is right about Lennon's fiddles comment-they crossed paths in LA while both were recording at the same studio (A&M? Record Plant?). Lennon's LA time was late '73-early '74. That's the only Beatles contact she has had that I have ever heard of. James Taylor was the first artist signed to Apple Records, too, but in the ton of Beatles bios I've read, no mention of Joan that I recall. I wonder if she ever met George-they shared band members Robben Ford and Tom Scott around the same time. RR ps the black "bird" Paul was thinking of while writing this song was Diana Ross. Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > Many many years ago, I figured out a passable version of Blackbird that I > lived with until now for my personal playing purposes. > > However, for a while, I have had a 'realization' (from all of my Joni > playing) that this song must have been played in open G.' > > In looking at a couple of internet tabs (I only began a very cursory lookup) > of Blackbird, I noticed that those arrangements were very similar to mine > (standard tuning). > > Today I sat down and began to transpose it into open G. From the > 'colorations' , I am more inclined to believe that it is played in open G. Furthermore, > all of the chord shapes used are those used by Joni - they can all pretty > much be found in either Marcie or the Gallery. If anyone is interested, I would > be happy to share my insights (perhaps one of you could tab it). > > Which leads me to another thought. One of the sites claims that this was > purportedly written by Paul (circa 1968 ?) about a black girl ('bird') during > the civil rights movement. However, the timing of this work (so few Paul solo > guitar solos - does anyone have a proper tab for Yesterday, which also is > obviously (to my ear) written in an alternate tuning ?) and of Joni's Marcie and > Gallery suggests a connection of some sort to me - is it impossible that they > met around that time and shared some chord shapes? Which direction such > sharing may have gone I am not sure, but if I had to venture a guess it would be > Joni to Paul. Of course, there is the possible Keith Richards connection to > consider, too. > > Also, the title of this song - Black(crow) - rings a bell somewhere in my > head :-) > > When did John tell Joni to put some fiddles on it, I wonder ? We know from > the London Bridge song that Joni had been to London while still on the > coffeehouse circuit, no ? > > Ah, I'm a nut. But we guitarists hear things. Is this a bad thing ? > > Bobsart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 16:53:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: blackbird - --- Bob Muller wrote: > Wow, it's getting to be like a family reunion around > here lately, what with all these long-silent types > chiming in again. Cool! Hi, Bob! Remember me? I used to post a lot. I'm Bob "I Did That" Smurfy. And hi to Bob Sart, too! Welcome back. We're really Bob, Bob, Bobbin' along now! Regarding Lennon's advice to Joni, there is an essay at JoniMitchell.com about the song "Impossible Dreamer," which is supposed to be about Lennon. The author, Frank H. Jump, ends the short essay with the following: "During a TV interview, Joni shared a story with the audience about a conversation she once had with John Lennon about her frustration with the record industry and its preoccupation with record sales. She was told by them that she needed a hit. Lennon replied, and I'm paraphrasing Joni's comic impersonation, "Oh, why don't you just add some fiddles. They love fiddles." No fiddles on this tune, but there's certainly a drum." So, according to this source, if Lennon told Joni to "put some fiddles in it" that advice was given in the context of pleasing her record company or record buyers -- whoever "they" is in the above paraphrased quotation. It was not suggested as a way to improve her music. The whole essay is at: << http://www.jonimitchell.com/EssayDreamer.html >> - --Smurf ______________________________________________________ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 20:28:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: Neil Young's "The Painter", sjc The other day, I was in the car listening to a syndicated singer-songwriter program called "The World Cafe". David Dye played "The Painter", then dropped in a pregnant pause. A slowly strummed, weird chord rose up, followed by a shorter pregnant pause. On the second chord, I recognized Joni's "California" from BLUE. I guess David Dye "hears" Joni in "The Painter" too. Jim Covington, KY, US np: "We work the black seam together." - - --- Smurf wrote: > The lyrics: > THE PAINTER > > The painter stood > before her work > She looked around every where > She saw the pictures and she painted them > She picked the colors from the air ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #254 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)