From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #241 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 24 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 241 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni box set [rsc1@humboldt.edu] Re: Joni [Bob Muller ] Welcome [Mark-Leon Thorne ] Re: Joni box set [Jerry Notaro ] RE: Joni ["Richard Flynn" ] French Joni Fest.Queen Lulu signs in [Lucy Hone ] Re: Joni and Younger Musicians (SJC?) ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni box set [Randy Remote ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: rsc1@humboldt.edu Subject: Joni box set Years ago, (1992 to be exact), I had the good fortune to spend a day at Neil Young's studio on his ranch near Skyline. Joel Bernstein was there working on Neil's Archive project (long promised, and still, sadly, unreleased.... I've heard rumblings about the first volume being out in the not-too-distant future, but don't get your hopes up!), and I got to talk to him for awhile. At one point Joni came up in the conversation, and he said that he was the archivist for all her audio works, and that he was going to be working with Joni and Larry AFTER he had finished the Neil project. This begs the question.... is her box set held up because Neil's hasn't ever come out? Or is she just not ready to go rummaging through her musical past? Maybe someday we'll get lucky! (I'm hoping to hear her two songs with B.B. King and then the two songs she did alone at the 1980 Bread & Roses concert in Berkeley... anyone have a recording of that day?) Gus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 03:44:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni Hello Mercedes, and welcome to the JMDL - if you're into peer-to-peer file sharing, there's a wealth of rarities out there - I don't get into that myself but perhaps someone who does can give you some pointers. Bob NP: Elvis Costello, "I Wanna Be Loved" - --------------------------------- Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 21:23:35 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Welcome Hiya Merc! Welcome to the list. You've come to the right place for rare Joni recordings. My collection is overflowing thanks to these good people. My Joni experience has become to much more fulfilling. I'm sure if you ask, people in your area will come forward with offers of recordings. If not, I will be more than happy to. Enjoy the list. BTW where do you hail from? Mark in Sydney. NP The Jungle Line - Thomas Dolby. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 07:49:31 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni box set From what I understand Joel is a tireless worker. Combine that with Joni wanting to be involved in and approving every aspect of her releases, and her not really being interested in going over all of the rare and unreleased material, and you get no box set. My own humble opinion. Jerry > This begs the question.... > is her box set held up because Neil's hasn't ever come out? > Or is she just not ready to go rummaging through her musical > past? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 08:39:02 -0400 From: "Richard Flynn" Subject: RE: Joni Welcome Merecedes. It probably requires registering on the JMDL site, but there is trading information at http://www.jmdl.com/trading/ Richard - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@smoe.org [mailto:owner-joni@smoe.org] On Behalf Of mm mclaughlin Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:18 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni Hi Everyone, Just found this site and I'm so excited to join. I've been a fan of Joni's since the beginning and it's been great to read all of the tidbits of news and views of other fans of her wonderful music. Does anyone know of a good source for acquiring rare CDs or albums, eg, those that date back to the 70s and/or older live recordings? I would really appreciate any tips. Take care, Mercedes M. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:23:43 +0100 From: Lucy Hone Subject: French Joni Fest.Queen Lulu signs in Well......... Firstly lets say if you want the descriptions of what the place was like read Les, and Bob and a few others. But if you cant be arsed to read all their wonderful descriptions then may I suggest you think of Lord of the Rings, meets Jean de Florette, crossed with a film that would have to be called Secret Valley (impossible to see from the road down a track that looks like it has not been used for ages) Part 1.you would have an idea of the greenery the hidden-ness and the total wonderfulness of this location.. Laurent it was well found and a delight... Rustic is the word too (has anyone mentioned that?) that describes the architecture and the general go with the flow feeling that pervaded the whole few days. A lot of conversations tailed off into "WOW look at that............" But to begin................ Frank and I and the kids had already spent a few days at a place called Gruissan near Narbonne. The apartment was tiny and the kids had been sleeping in a room no more than 6'6" long by 5' wide on bunk beds..... we had cabin fever and decided to join Fest early for what we thought would be day 2. AS it happened it was day one as Fest did not end until Monday night...... Off we set and were only about 10 kms away when the accelearator cable snapped, half way up a very steep hill not far from a hairpin bend...... what wonderful scenery it was though......... a deep valley floor littered with vineyards and rocky outcrops, a wind whooshing up from the valley and magic as far as the eye could see... Thank heaven or whoever for Portable phones as I called my breakdown cover and they said they would send someone... I called Chris Marshall and he and Les came out to pick up Liz and Sam and remove some of our luggage whilst Frank and I waited for the garage.. Whilst we were waiting a man turned up in his car and started chatting on his mobile phone. He then asked us if we were OK and told us that we were lucky to be broken down where we were as there was no other place for a few k's that you could get a signal..not without some serious rock climbing... we checked the phone as we pulled away and true enough no signal..... Eventually Monsieur Le Garage-ist arrived, all apologies for keeping us waiting, gave us fresh water and set about making a new cable, took no money (he will probably get that from Green Flag) but we gave him a bottle of wine and he went off happy and we got to Fest....... It was like walking into some sort of hippy heaven......It was like living a dream of my teen years when I had not been ab le to attend the Isle of Wight Festival, so had not seen Joni play...... just totally unbelievable............. and in the hippy heaven were people I have come to regard as my dear friends and people I had not met whom I now know better and are just wonderful wonderful people. There was Ashara with Eric, over there was Catherine and her kids, Oh and there was Bob M, and over there was Stryngs, and Chris and Martin and Les and John and Claudia and Lieve and and it was like having all my birthdays in one go.... I have snapshot shivers of moments which seem to be in some sort of soft focus slow motion. Of the performances.......... Hearing Claudia sing again was wonderful...... Randall is an incredible talent too and he and she make an amazing musical duo. Bob M and his very sleazy Blue Motel Room and scatty off the cuff "I am just an American Tourist pot luck blues"... Cat Mckays Cold Blue Steel did the trick, Stryngs Franks song left me in a puddle as usual, Chris Marshall and Les singing "sailing to Philladelphia"...... Les also doing "Woodstock"... Anita, Jaimie, Oh you were all so fab........ I was rather drunk when I did my random act (too disjointed to be a set) and I actually am not sure what I sang....... maybe I fell asleep.......I hope I dreamed it ........as in my dream I forgot my words, and could not remember one song I knew...and ended up singing something I had not sung for ages.... OH DEAR THE PROBLEMS OF READILY AVAILABLE WINE ON TAP.... Thank you Martin for accompnying me on Crazy Man Michael on the last night....... again pissed as a fart but could remember some of the words in the right order.... I also have memories of singing hyms with Stryngs to get people to come along after the last meal on Monday night..... Amazing Grace seems to feature heavily in my memory bag............ Meeting other listers is always a wonderful experience, and new faces for me were Jamie (is this my best side) Zoob, Guy (who I am not sure is a lister but was interesting to meet) from Luxembourg, Mike Pritchard (who has one of the driest senses of humour) Garret ( Will you look at that?..yet again...Plums keep falling on my head), Emiliano who is just the happiest and most completely charming person ever (you so ARE Emiliano), Randall who seems to have a guitar as part of his anatomy, Thierry who sang so beautifully, Adriano and his family (who were essential to the Bohemian Rhapsody performance), and lets not forget the maestro of this event Laurent (who plays a mean guitar) Other shivers include the coldness of the water up in the gorge, and in the pond at Fest... we are talking seriously mountain cold.... yes it did get a bit warmer as the sun got higher but we are talking temperatures of 10 degrees up to 12 or maybe even 15 I would think.... skin chilling, toe numbing, heart stopping at first....... but fantastic ..OH...yes.....and Claudia .........NB.....Chris has not yet erased the phone film of us doing our Ethel Mermaid "no business like show business" skinny (or in my case plumply) dip Busby Barclay fantasia... Its over exposed on all fronts so not of broadcastable quality..... that was such fun though........ Happy happy memories of the song circle on Monday afternoon and I do have some memories of the "Bohemian Rhapsody" incident but of having to get Martin to tell us what the next lines were ......I do remember some seriously good guitar solos played on air guitars....... and excellent harmonies.......... NOW Mr Muller I have a bone to pick with you about this song association game .. YOU DID NOT BEAT US at all....... We had the Plum Magnet and Stryngs on our team and lets not forget that we also had Sam..... it was not even that you got the slightest but close to beating us..we trounced you and you konw it... YOu had to make up for it at table by singing show tunes because you were so crap at the other game........... (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA) Oh that wasexcellent and I had no voice the day after at all............ Oh and the shooting stars and the sun and the falling fruit and the horny dog and Martins leg, and the wonderful kittens and the view from the loo.......... My kids loved every moment of their time and have come to appreciate some Joni songs (but not performed by Joni)... like me they have huge variations in their tastes of music. Frank thought everyone was really nice and I think he felt at home amongst us all. He is a star for just getting in there and being part of it and he has taken some great photos... When asked about the best bit of the holiday the kids unanimously said "FEST"... thank you all of you who spent time with them, you are thought of as undendingly cool........... A few culinary snapshots ...Snail and nettle pate! Fennel with a lot of things, plenty of plums, very nice cheese in a black wax coat, some to-die-for camembert and a brie that should not be aloud out on its own....deep fried yellow "teeth"..Ashara has the film on that....... Lovely breakfast baguettes under dappled light, Coffee that stopped your sleepiness in its tracks, Orange juice that smacked your mouth with zing and all tied up with laughter and more laughter and conversations that floated away on the rustling breezes.......... Saying bye bye is never great fun but I think we all did really quite well at being stoic... it never matters how long when friendship is assured..it does not depend on constant contact.... It was a wonderful time and ended up being extended by some weird coincidence on the Thursday after, I think.... We had moved on to Perpignan on the Tuesday to stay with friends and had gone to Spain for the day on either the Thursday or Friday cannot remember which. Chris M had texted me earlier on on that day to see if we had any recommendations for restaurants south of Perpignan, but I did not, so had not replied. On our way back from Spain I called to see if they were about and amazingly they had just left Laurent .......... having bumped into him at some small Mediterranean- side town they had gone to....... It seemed we were about 10 kms apart and so we stopped in a town just inside the French border and they joined us. I look forward to the smiling shark photos.......... and I wish we had not had sail fin tuna ish stuff but had had the steak...... never mind will have to go again wont we.......... It was so great to extend the feeling of Fest like that.. They had miles to drive back to near the Felines Termenes too about 60 miles.........but then that is what this sort of life journey is about. And French Fest was all about siezing the day, making the most of things, laughing it all the way, going with the flow, taking off your watch, letting things happen, unfold with the day, luxuriate in the elasticity of time and tide and remark on the moonlight and shadows in the valleys below...it was a time to open up and take in, to inhale some sort of synchronous ether that fitted us all together so well...... It was heaven on earth for a few days and I have memories I will dip into for years to come that have no possible replication in photos. I think of it as a blessed few days with people I will value for my entire life... Love and hugs to you all Lucy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:08:58 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: Joni and Younger Musicians (SJC?) Hi Patti! I think you give a very unique perspective to the topic! Sometimes it's good to personalize because it gives others who are not involved in the music industry a better perspective. Please don't apologize! I think you make some very good points about Joni! I won't take you up on your bet! I too work with struggling artists even though I am one myself! (Smile) Where most would feel in agony over the situation, I have actually found a peace with it. I have learned that success is relative and I try to teach this to younger musicians. What is most important is to know yourself musically and not be afraid to put that person out there. I made that mistake once and I vowed never to do it again! I deal with individuals more than I do with indie organizations because that's just where I am at this point and like you, I also know that I can only do so much. The main thing I try to impart is that no one is going to "give" you anything. It is not required. You must create your own buzz and forge your own destiny. To give the artist a sense of self-sufficiency is the best thing I could ever do for someone. More than fiscal success, I prefer to see "emotional success" where someone stands and says with pride, "I am a musician" or "I am a singer/songwriter". Knowing and accepting is what makes it real whether your CD's sell or not. With Joni, she struggled and paid her dues to get where she is today even if she doesn't feel like she's at the top of the ladder. (She is with me though!) I think most artists who have a measured amount of success would feel taken advantage of by someone who says their knowledge and musical wisdom is "owed". This IMO is because I think they know that just handing everything over on a silver platter is a negative thing. They miss the satisfaction of being able to see where they've come from and the struggles which they went through for that fiscal success. I think it would cause more harm than good for the up and coming artist on the receiving end. There! I've already made myself feel better! There goes that "Aha" lightbulb again. Struggle is not always a bad thing! Sherelle Patti wrote: I'll bite this. I understand your question. But do you know that she isn't anonymously or even actively involved in non-profit arts organizations, or directly participating in some capacity to provide opportunities to young (or old) artists? Perhaps she's donated instruments, artwork, manuscripts, etc. to causes like this. But here's the thing: It's a choice, not a duty. From my own limited experience, my personal economy of time and emotional strength are precious and easily sapped. Not that I'm anywhere near her celestial level, but I bet you $10 Joni doesn't see herself at the top of the success ladder. You always see yourself as continuing to struggle for validation, recognition, reward. Because you still struggle to attain your own goals you can hardly put others first. I bet she sees the bottomless well of talent out there and wonders, if I began, where would I draw the line? Imagine the pressure of people and fans clamoring for her (as with all celebrities) attention, guilting or guiling her into this or that charitable project. I myself am involved in several indie musicians discussion groups, a local songwriters group, I'm an officer in my indie label co-op, I do my share of volunteer and benefit gigs and I answer emails all the time asking for help. It takes a lot of time and energy. So I do it for myself, in a sense. When the balance tips out of my favor I draw the line, close the door, turn off the phone and I say "no." I've actually had people tell me that as an indie they are entitled to my hard-earned knowledge and expertise, and they're pissed if I withhold it. Now *that's* selfish. Easy to characterize artists with Joni's talent, drive, ambition and originality as selfish. And maybe it's rare that they are not. I've said too much, I've over-personalized the topic. Sorry! But she doesn't owe anyone in this regard, IMO. Patti - - -- Patti Witten on I-Town Records www.itownrecords.com MySpace http://myspace.com/pattiwitten http://pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:12:20 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu, Lama" Subject: collectable recordings, was: Joni On the audio side, I can offer cassettes of many recordings from official trees (several years ago) on the JMDL. From other sources, I have a few CD-Rs that I could duplicate but some of them have already begun to decay (producing noise). (The Amnesty show I mentioned yesterday, for example.) Write to me, off-list, if you're interested. There are several video collections but I don't have 2 VCRs anymore. >Does anyone know of a good source for acquiring rare CDs or albums, eg, those that date back to the 70s and/or older live recordings? I would really appreciate any tips.> Jim Covington, KY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:08:12 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re:Joni Fest Hi Jamie! Thank you so much for sending such beautiful pictures!! I feel as if I was there!!!! It is so beautiful! Also thanks to everyone giving their accounts to help those of us who couldn't go live the experience through you. Tres Bien! Sherelle Jamie wrote: Joni Fest These are some of the pictures that I took on the JoniFest. I didn't take any of the performances as I was too in awe. Much Joni http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jamiezubairi/album?.dir=/22d1&.src=ph&.tok=phRAyfDBnUxgQ611 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:37:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni box set rsc1@humboldt.edu wrote: > Years ago, (1992 to be exact), I had the good > fortune to spend a day at Neil Young's studio > on his ranch near Skyline. Joel Bernstein was > there working on Neil's Archive project (long > promised, and still, sadly, unreleased.... > I've heard rumblings about the first volume being > out in the not-too-distant future, but don't get your > hopes up!), and I got to talk to him for awhile. > At one point Joni came up in the conversation, > and he said that he was the archivist for all her audio > works, and that he was going to be working with Joni > and Larry AFTER he had finished the Neil project. > > This begs the question.... > is her box set held up because Neil's hasn't ever come out? > Or is she just not ready to go rummaging through her musical > past? > > Maybe someday we'll get lucky! > (I'm hoping to hear her two songs with B.B. King > and then the two songs she did alone at the 1980 > Bread & Roses concert in Berkeley... anyone have > a recording of that day?) The songs she did with BB & band were horrible. (Coyote and The Thrill is Gone). Much better was Sweet Sucker Dance, a duet with Herbie Hancock on grand piano, which surpassed the album version. She also did a solo set, which, I seem to recall, was more than 2 songs, and debuted songs from WTRF, Ladies Man was one. No tape of this show has ever surfaced, though it's been suggested by the Bread & Roses organization that it exists in their archives. Great story about Bernstein @ Redwood Digital. I grew up a few miles from there. RR ps Are you at Humboldt State? Now I live a couple hours from there. If you ever listen to KMUD you may have heard me on there. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #241 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)