From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #224 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, August 7 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 224 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) [Nuriel Tobias ] Early Joni [Bob Muller ] Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) ["JR" ] Re: Early Joni ["JR" ] Jamie on Joni ["Patti Parlette" ] Songs of a Prarie Girl ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Joni/James tracklist [Bob Muller ] New Library addition: 'The Missing Music' [LesIrvin@jmdl.com] Joni a flake [Kate ] Four Ages Of Joni MItchell? [Jamie Zubairi ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 04:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) No doubt Jamie has sent us some enlightment. Like senior Smurf i also found it to refreshing. If i may add, then i'll say Joni is "normal" when it comes to overviewing others and gets a bit edgy when it comes to singing about hersel. And hell, why not, i love loons and moons. Yours, Nuri Smurf wrote: - --- Jamie wrote: > You asked... it's nearly 2am and I'm thinking in > overdrive... But you are thinking very well. I have never pondered this stage of Joni's life so deeply, Jamie, but everything you said rings clear -- and fresh! -- which is difficult to do with someone who's been a Joni fan for more than 30 years and on this list for more than 5. Speaking of "I told you when I met you I was crazy," Sam Phillips has a line that echoes that for me. She sings, "I was broken when you got me" in a song called "How to Stop." - --Smurf __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail for Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 05:29:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Early Joni Hi JR - and welcome! That early period of Joni's is also my favorite. Especially the early unreleased songs. Here's what I have in the '66-'70 period - I'm happy to trade or to make copies for blanks & postage. (Some of this may be on the P2P JMDL sharing hub if you're into that): "Joni Mitchell Sings Joni Mitchell" (the audio from the Pink Dress Concert) Mariposa Folk Festival, 7/26/70 Worcester Polyechnic Institute, 12/5/69 PBS-TV, 11/30/69 (a broadcast of a summer performance) Joni with James Taylor, Paris Cinema/London, England 10/29/70 Newport Folk Festival, 7/19/69 Unknown Venue, 1968 Ed Sciaky/Gene Shay broadcast of early recordings & interviews,WMMR-FM, Club 47/Cambridge MA January '68 Top Gear 9/23/68 + Johnny Cash performances 69/70 The White Swan/Leicester UK, 9/67 2nd Fret; 3/17/67 "Looking Out For Love" bootleg, Misc appearnces 67-69 Gerdes Folk City/New York, NY 01/67 "Let's Sing Out" appearances, 1965 & 1966 (video also available - and incredible) The Second Fret Sets - 2CD bootleg Bob NP: Dave van Ronk, "That Song About The Midway" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:45:22 -0400 From: "JR" Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuriel Tobias" To: Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) >And hell, why not, i love loons and moons. I'm rather fond of moons and Junes, m'self....;-) JR in NH ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:22:41 -0400 From: "JR" Subject: Re: Early Joni Hi Bob! Wow! That's a schweeeeet early Joni list! I've also got that Joni/James show from London, though I've always suspected that there was a fair amount of the show that I've been missing. My track list is: Midway, Gallery, Rainy Day Man, Steamroller, Priest, Carey, Carolina, California, For Free, Circle Game, You Can Close Your Eyes. Is there more to that recording, or is that it? And what's up with James at the beginning of For Free, describing it as a 'kind of a cowboy song'??!! It never struck me as anything like that! Anyway, I've also got those Gene Shay shows and Johnny Cash shows, on a couple of 90-min. tapes, if I recall. I just love the story she tells about writing Carey in Matala, Crete, and how he was collecting those Mickey Mouse chocolate wrappers, and she was thrown out for trying to wash out the grime of the desert from his turban in a bidet in a pension in Athens! She was (and is) a very funny storyteller. Apart from the early shows, I'm also really happy to have a very nice recording of the only show that I saw in person, at Boston Common on July 20, 1983. What nuts it took to stop the show halfway through Song for Sharon, saying " I've got a weird quirk, I have NEVER been able to play to people milling around EVER in my life,man....I'm sorry, I just can't get into it. I'm gonna go take about ten minutes, and compose myself, so you can find your seats and we can do this thing".... I was floored! It was about two ar three years later that I found the tape, and was I ecstatic!! Anyway, before this reaches publishable length, I'll wrap it up. Thanks for writing, and I guess I'll be sending some discs for some b 'n p's. As she said at the end of that Boston show: "Thank you for your attention". Cheers! JR in NH NP: Aimee Mann, The Forgotten Arm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:24:34 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: Jamie on Joni Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:21:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Smurf Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) - - --- Jamie wrote: >You asked... it's nearly 2am and I'm thinking in >overdrive... But you are thinking very well. I have never pondered this stage of Joni's life so deeply, Jamie, but everything you said rings clear -- and fresh! -- which is difficult to do with someone who's been a Joni fan for more than 30 years and on this list for more than 5. - ------------ Oh, please forgive me, but can I do a verboten "me, too!"? Jamie, that was outstanding. A round resounding for you way out here in New England! Applause, applause, Joni's life is our cause, and when I think of your interpretation, Jamie, my mind see saws! Encore, encore! To me, your analysis/interpretation of this period gives new and deeper meaning to the lyrics "...only a dark cocoon before I get my gor-or-or-orgeous wings and fly away, only a phase these dark cafe days...." She knew she was a little stuck, but she was also hopeful, knowing that she'd get out of it. And "gorgeous wings" is right -- look at all the *gorgeous* stuff she went on to do! Joni is a great therapist. Whenever I get the blues inside and outside my head, I just think of those lyrics about gorgeous wings, and hope springs eternal. SIQUOMB, indeed. Everyday she give me more to marvel at. There is no other. Love, Patti P., waiting to hear from Julius, but otherwise having a lovely Saturday Chelsea Morning P.S. Is anyone else having trouble connecting to jmdl.com today? I can't access the lyrics database to check my lyrics. I don't know if it's my computer or me or what. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Songs of a Prarie Girl As one who originally spoke negatively of all these compilations, I'm changing my mind. They are not the retreads most artists put out, but carefully remastered (remixed, R.R. :)) and packaged. It gives even this old fan a chance to reappreciate some of Joni's work by giving it a new listen. Simon and I talked a while back, and as he was about Dylan live, he was right. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 11:15:02 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Subject: Re: Is Joni A Loon?:) I enjoyed your post, Jamie. Thanks. Jim L'Hommedieu Covington, KY, US Note: The assertions in this email have not yet be validated by the JMDL community. I will, of course, retract any memory, opinion, allegation, or compliment that anyone finds inaccurate or objectionable. I reserve the right to make weekly batches. >Hello Nuriel If you read Court and Spark like a diary, a collection of thoughts of a period of time, you would get the sense that Joni was certainly going through it at that point. > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 08:19:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Joni/James tracklist JR, The complete tracklist for the Joni/James show is: 1. Joni - That Song About The Midway 2. Joni - The Gallery 3. James - Rainy Day Man 4. James - Steamroller Blues 5. Joni - The Priest 6. Joni - Carey 7. James - Carolina In My Mind 8. Both - California 9. Both - For Free 10. Both - The Circle Game 11. Both - You Can Close Your Eyes 12. Joni - Hunter 13. Joni - River 14. Joni - My Old Man 15. Both - A Case of You 16. Joni - Carey (with extended story) Bob Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 13:59:05 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'The Missing Music' The following has been recently added to the JMDL Library: Title: The Missing Music Publication: Speakeasy Magazine Date: 2005-7-1 Type: Appreciation Find it here under "Most recent additions...": http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2005 12:08:44 -0600 From: Kate Subject: Joni a flake onlyJMDL Digest: > I often wonder if Joni conciders herself crazy. My friend of 30 years, who was my roommate for a year when we were about 19 and has never warmed up to Joni's music because I overdosed her on it back then, recently said "I've tried many times to like it but it just irritates me. And in that Reader's Digest interview, she comes across as a flake." I just laughed. My friend might be right. Anyone who says they are not a feminist has something wrong with her head! but lyrically, musically, vocally, to me Joni is a genius. Kate journal ~ http://xoetc.antville.org correspondence ~ http://letterwritershotel.blogspot.com fiction ~ http://stubblejump.diaryland.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:06:25 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Four Ages Of Joni MItchell? I've been thinking (after reading 'The Missing Music' from todays' recent library addition that there must be four ages of Joni Mitchell. Would we agree this? I don't know if you would but to me I distinguish these by voice, themes, musical arrangement. The Early Period This is at least from 1966 to 1972 The Middle Period (or Joni's Jazz Age) From 1974 to 1981. Although jazz to Joni has been a strand throught her music, it's only in this period where she starts playing with Jazzers and influences her sound. Hey we have drums in more than one song! The Angry Years From 1982 to 1988 Even though this period starts off with an album that mentions 'love' 44 times (or something like that, I'm paraphrasing - it might be 78 times) this period is marked by synthesizers, a lower range in her vocal, a more hard, rock sound and songs which have a more overt political, eco-aware Joni. Later Works From 1991 to present day (but I will accept a cut-off point at 1997) And marks a return to the acoustic instrument, a broadening of themes, a return to love. I don't know why I had to categorise this, but I just felt the urge, y'know? Much Joni Jamie Zoob going swimming ___________________________________________________________ How much free photo storage do you get? Store your holiday snaps for FREE with Yahoo! 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