From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #212 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, July 26 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 212 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Dame Joni [Mark-Leon Thorne ] RE: Dame Joni ["Ross, Les" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #208 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] RE: Dame Joni ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Dame Joni [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #208 [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Dame Joni [Catherine McKay ] Re:Joni's bittersweetness? ["Sherelle Smith" ] But soft! Joni speaks! ["Patti Parlette" ] Re: But soft! Joni speaks! [Monafitz@aol.com] New Library addition: 'The Underdog Meets Joni Mitchell: Charles Mingus Finds a New Voice' [] Re: But soft! Joni speaks! [jrmco1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:58:53 +1000 From: Mark-Leon Thorne Subject: Re: Dame Joni > Does anyone believe as I do that Joni should be made a Dame of the > British > empire. This is a major major award for members of the "Commonwealth". > > As a Canadian citizen she is eligible for the award in the same way as > Dame > Shirley Bassey, Dame Peggy Ashcroft and some other British Artists . > This is > the female equivalent to the honorary knighthoods given to male > artists Bob > Geldof (who also is not a British citizen) , Sir Paul McCartney and Sir > Elton John and Sir Mick Jagger ( so ther is room for rebels too Ha > Ha). > As Joni has stopped writing songs now perhaps the time is right to > acknowledge her contribution to the arts .. I would be interested in > anyone's views. > > Best wishes, > > Paul Headon I absolutely agree, Paul. All citizens of the Commonwealth of Nations are eligible for this award for service. We have many knighted people here in Australia and as a Canadian citizen, Joni is eligible and (IMHO) more than worthy. Mark in Sydney NP Brandenburg Concerto - Johann Sebastian Bach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:27:37 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: Dame Joni Well, for what it's worth, I've just written to my Member of Parliament. Maybe it'll start the ball rolling. I'm looking just now for the Culture Secretary's email and will send the same missive to that office too. Why not. I feel it's time right now to celebrate brilliance. ( I guess it's never a wrong time to celebrate brilliance!) Les (London) - -----Original Message----- From: Mark-Leon Thorne [mailto:mark-leon@iinet.net.au] Sent: 25 July 2005 08:59 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Dame Joni > Does anyone believe as I do that Joni should be made a Dame of the > British > empire. This is a major major award for members of the "Commonwealth". > > As a Canadian citizen she is eligible for the award in the same way as > Dame > Shirley Bassey, Dame Peggy Ashcroft and some other British Artists . > This is > the female equivalent to the honorary knighthoods given to male > artists Bob > Geldof (who also is not a British citizen) , Sir Paul McCartney and Sir > Elton John and Sir Mick Jagger ( so ther is room for rebels too Ha > Ha). > As Joni has stopped writing songs now perhaps the time is right to > acknowledge her contribution to the arts .. I would be interested in > anyone's views. > > Best wishes, > > Paul Headon I absolutely agree, Paul. All citizens of the Commonwealth of Nations are eligible for this award for service. We have many knighted people here in Australia and as a Canadian citizen, Joni is eligible and (IMHO) more than worthy. Mark in Sydney NP Brandenburg Concerto - Johann Sebastian Bach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 05:32:41 EDT From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #208 Re: Melanie Can I just add my name to the Shameless Safka Apologists? Stout words indeed, Catherine! Been trying to track down Gather Me for yonks - I cannot help but suspect that some of the arrangements on that - especially Centre of Your Circle - were absorbed by Joni, to find immaculate flowering on that Black Crow/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter riff. And The Monkees were FAB. Pleasant Valley Sunday was one of the three best songs Carole King ever penned, A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You was Neil Diamond's best bar none, and those geetar riffs on Steppin Stone and Last Train To Clarksville were to die for. Then there's Head, of course. Nuff said. Luv and peace Cornish Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:55:27 +0100 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: RE: Dame Joni Just tried to send an email to the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport. They have a dedicated 'recipient' for honours which I suppose I found surprising. However, the mail failed to 'send' so I've copied the tome onto a letter and it's in my out tray to be collected this morning. Again, why not. Other UK listers and Canadians I guess, (again why not) could do the same. I think it'll take more than my squawk to stir those ruminants. Les (London) - -----Original Message----- From: Ross, Les [mailto:LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Sent: 25 July 2005 10:28 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: RE: Dame Joni Well, for what it's worth, I've just written to my Member of Parliament. Maybe it'll start the ball rolling. I'm looking just now for the Culture Secretary's email and will send the same missive to that office too. Why not. I feel it's time right now to celebrate brilliance. ( I guess it's never a wrong time to celebrate brilliance!) Les (London) - -----Original Message----- From: Mark-Leon Thorne [mailto:mark-leon@iinet.net.au] Sent: 25 July 2005 08:59 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Dame Joni > Does anyone believe as I do that Joni should be made a Dame of the > British empire. This is a major major award for members of the > "Commonwealth". > > As a Canadian citizen she is eligible for the award in the same way as > Dame Shirley Bassey, Dame Peggy Ashcroft and some other British > Artists . This is > the female equivalent to the honorary knighthoods given to male > artists Bob > Geldof (who also is not a British citizen) , Sir Paul McCartney and Sir > Elton John and Sir Mick Jagger ( so ther is room for rebels too Ha > Ha). > As Joni has stopped writing songs now perhaps the time is right to > acknowledge her contribution to the arts .. I would be interested in > anyone's views. > > Best wishes, > > Paul Headon I absolutely agree, Paul. All citizens of the Commonwealth of Nations are eligible for this award for service. We have many knighted people here in Australia and as a Canadian citizen, Joni is eligible and (IMHO) more than worthy. Mark in Sydney NP Brandenburg Concerto - Johann Sebastian Bach ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 11:41:07 +0100 (BST) From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: Re: Dame Joni And now that Her Madge has met her in person, I think that Joni would be up for the next New Years/Birthdays Honours List (which isn't an internet community despite it's name). At least 'Queen Lizzie' knows BSN! Much Joni Jamie Zoob Mark-Leon Thorne wrote: > Does anyone believe as I do that Joni should be made a Dame of the > British > empire. > > Paul Headon I absolutely agree, Paul. All citizens of the Commonwealth of Nations are eligible for this award for service. We have many knighted people here in Australia and as a Canadian citizen, Joni is eligible and (IMHO) more than worthy. Mark in Sydney NP Brandenburg Concerto - Johann Sebastian Bach - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:53:05 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #208 And don't even try to find Leftover Wine. Expect to pay $150.00! Jerry > Re: Melanie > > Can I just add my name to the Shameless Safka Apologists? Stout words > indeed, Catherine! Been trying to track down Gather Me for yonks - I cannot > help > but suspect that some of the arrangements on that - especially Centre of Your > Circle - were absorbed by Joni, to find immaculate flowering on that Black > Crow/Don Juan's Reckless Daughter riff. > > And The Monkees were FAB. Pleasant Valley Sunday was one of the three best > songs Carole King ever penned, A Little Bit Me, A Little Bit You was Neil > Diamond's best bar none, and those geetar riffs on Steppin Stone and Last > Train > To Clarksville were to die for. Then there's Head, of course. Nuff said. > > Luv and peace > > Cornish Rob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 08:50:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Dame Joni - --- Jamie Zubairi wrote: > And now that Her Madge has met her in person, I > think that Joni would be up for the next New > Years/Birthdays Honours List (which isn't an > internet community despite it's name). At least > 'Queen Lizzie' knows BSN! > > Much Joni > > Jamie Zoob > I wasn't sure if Canadians could get this honour but apparently, we can. I found something, strangely enough, on the website of the Ireland Information Guide (http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/British_honours_system): - ---------------------------------------------------- "The honours system of the United Kingdom is a means of awarding for merit those who are deserving, either for achievement or service to the country. The awards exist within a graduated series of importance and with names sometimes dating back centuries. "The recipients are chosen by the Sovereign, who is the 'fountain of honour', acting upon the advice of the Prime Minister. Private nominations are also made to the Prime Minister's Office and foreign nationals are recommended by the Foreign Secretary. Commonwealth governments are also entitled to recommend their citizens for British orders, though most have established their own honours systems. Certain honours are awarded at the personal discretion of the monarch. "Honours are usually conferred twice a year - on the Sovereign's official birthday and at the New Year. There is usually an elaborate ceremony for bestowing honours, the most famous of which is the well-known "knighting" ceremony, in which the sovereign taps the recipient on the shoulder with a ceremonial sword in what is called the accolade." - -------------------------------- Accolades and honours One false step and you're a-goner. especially when there are swords involved. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:04:34 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re:Joni's bittersweetness? Hi Sean, I totally agree with you about the interviewer. Before I came to my present place of employ, I believed most everything I read in the paper. Then I saw firsthand what a "spin doctor" could do to a person in the public eye. Once they have it in for that person, they seem to go in for the kill. I'm really wondering if that is also what is going on with those who interview Joni? i know she speaks frankly and maybe even harshly at times, but I've seen firsthand how a reporter can get his teeth set on edge and be way too willing to take a bite out of someone's character. Sometimes, they show the public only what they want the public to see and anything good or nice, they purposely leave out. Sherelle Sean wrote, Hey, I have read tens of interviews and reviews that attempt to depict Joni's bitterness at the music industry and even (if not especially) other singer-songwriters (mostly women). However, we have to remember that the author of the article may be trying to convey certain messages and s/he may not even be close to capturing Joni's true sentiments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:45:04 +0000 From: "Patti Parlette" Subject: But soft! Joni speaks! Dear Joniamigos: Joni spoke, and Laura wrote: - -- It was particularly thought provoking to me where she says, "The irony is that the line "I dreamed I saw the bombers riding shotgun in the sky/and they were turning into butterflies above our nation" has been taken as girly and silly and too idealistic. But the point of it is, we've got to do that - -- if we don't we're done." I hope there is a very feminine president on the next ticket. --- YES! YES! I could drink a case of you to THAT! Quelle synchro for me here, because just yesterday I was having a spirited debate in cyberspace with three male friends. I gently and respectfully opined that we need more women in politics and government, and they retorted with Golda Meir and Margaret Thatcher as examples, and reminded me that not all women are necessarily pacifists. Okay. Sigh. What I *meant* to say is that we need more feminine PERSPECTIVES out there when creating policy and dealing with the world's many problems. C'est tout. Every picture has its shadows And it has some source of light Blindness blindness and sight I send up my prayer for new sight to overcome the blindness of some of our world leaders, and for a new light to dawn and prevail. Joni may not be singing or performing anymore, but she is still getting the word out, one way or another. And for that, I am glad and grateful. Of course some may wonder "who is there to hear?" I think that's where WE come in. It is OUR job to spread the word and speak out for peace. Vive la Joan! Love to all, Patti P. "Another Mother for Peace" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:15:27 EDT From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: Re: But soft! Joni speaks! In a message dated 7/25/2005 4:50:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loveuconn@hotmail.com writes: Okay. Sigh. What I *meant* to say is that we need more feminine PERSPECTIVES out there when creating policy and dealing with the world's many problems. Your not alone. Quoting Desmond Tutu in pertinent part: 'WOMEN SHOULD RULE THE WORLD' - Desmond Tutu suggests a "feminine revolution" takes place "Some of the best initiatives are those that occur because women are involved... It is almost a tacit acknowledgment of the crucial role that women play in nurturing, nurturing life," said Tutu in his tribute to women a day after Women's Day. Tutu, who was seemingly mentally spurred on by Cape Town's sobriquet "Mother City", said that men had been given centuries to rule the world, but "have made a heck of a mess of things". Tutu said the revolution he referred was one of women who were not afraid to be feminine, and who did not ape men in, for example, the stereotypical aggression. "This revolution... is the last, best chance for making this globe hospitable to peace, to make this globe hospitable to compassion, hospitable to generosity and caring," he said. [_More_ (http://www.gardenroute.org.za/main/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=30 99) ] - - - - Here's a snippet found on the Internet: " ... A billionaire media baron has taken a step to demonstrate his belief that women should run the world because men have "mucked it up" with too much warfare and military spending. The United Nations Foundation Ted Turner established six years ago to distribute the #1 billion he pledged to UN causes has a new female-dominated board of directors. "I've said for years and I'm really serious about it, I think men should be barred from holding public office for 100 years. The men have been running the world for too long and they've made a mess of it. ..." Let's see if Joni will do it or perhaps how about Oprah. She has enough money that special interest groups will find it difficult to buy her vote, eh? Cheers, Mona Mona A. Fitzgerald, JD Windsor, CT 06095 USA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:59:03 -0400 From: LesIrvin@jmdl.com Subject: New Library addition: 'The Underdog Meets Joni Mitchell: Charles Mingus Finds a New Voice' The following has been recently added to the JMDL Library: Title: The Underdog Meets Joni Mitchell: Charles Mingus Finds a New Voice Publication: Rolling Stone Date: 1978-12-28 Type: Interview Find it here under "Most recent additions...": http://jmdl.com/library ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:22:15 -0400 From: jrmco1@aol.com Subject: Re: But soft! Joni speaks! Look at Jane! Go Jane, go! Stop Dick. Help Jane, Sally! Help Jane stop Dick! - -Julius ____ Actress Fonda Plans to Speak Out on Iraq AP Jane Fonda expects to start her anti-war bus tour in March. Talk About It: Post Thoughts SANTA FE, N.M. (July 25) - Actress and activist Jane Fonda says she intends to take a cross-country bus tour to call for an end to U.S. military operations in Iraq. "I can't go into any detail except to say that it's going to be pretty exciting,'' she said. Fonda said her anti-war tour in March will use a bus that runs on "vegetable oil.'' She will be joined by families of Iraq war veterans and her daughter. They plan to return to the Santa Fe area, where she was promoting her book, "My Life So Far'' on Saturday. Prompted by a question from the audience, Fonda said war veterans that she has met on a nationwide book tour have encouraged her to break her silence on the Iraq war. "I've decided I'm coming out,'' she said. Hundreds of people in the audience cheered loudly when Fonda announced her intentions to join the anti-Iraq war movement. "I have not taken a stand on any war since Vietnam,'' she said. "I carry a lot of baggage from that.'' Fonda incited controversy in July 1972 when she was photographed sitting on a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun while on a tour of the country to drum up support to end the war. 07/25/05 09:03 EDT - -----Original Message----- From: Monafitz@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Sent: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:15:27 EDT Subject: Re: But soft! Joni speaks! In a message dated 7/25/2005 4:50:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, loveuconn@hotmail.com writes: Okay. Sigh. What I *meant* to say is that we need more feminine PERSPECTIVES out there when creating policy and dealing with the world's many problems. Your not alone. Quoting Desmond Tutu in pertinent part: 'WOMEN SHOULD RULE THE WORLD' - Desmond Tutu suggests a "feminine revolution" takes place "Some of the best initiatives are those that occur because women are involved... It is almost a tacit acknowledgment of the crucial role that women play in nurturing, nurturing life," said Tutu in his tribute to women a day after Women's Day. Tutu, who was seemingly mentally spurred on by Cape Town's sobriquet "Mother City", said that men had been given centuries to rule the world, but "have made a heck of a mess of things". Tutu said the revolution he referred was one of women who were not afraid to be feminine, and who did not ape men in, for example, the stereotypical aggression. "This revolution... is the last, best chance for making this globe hospitable to peace, to make this globe hospitable to compassion, hospitable to generosity and caring," he said. [_More_ (http://www.gardenroute.org.za/main/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=30 99) ] - - - - Here's a snippet found on the Internet: " ... A billionaire media baron has taken a step to demonstrate his belief that women should run the world because men have "mucked it up" with too much warfare and military spending. The United Nations Foundation Ted Turner established six years ago to distribute the #1 billion he pledged to UN causes has a new female-dominated board of directors. "I've said for years and I'm really serious about it, I think men should be barred from holding public office for 100 years. The men have been running the world for too long and they've made a mess of it. ..." Let's see if Joni will do it or perhaps how about Oprah. She has enough money that special interest groups will find it difficult to buy her vote, eh? Cheers, Mona Mona A. Fitzgerald, JD Windsor, CT 06095 USA ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #212 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)