From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #176 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, June 19 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 176 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 [ROBMSTEEN@aol.com] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 [Catherine McKay ] Edith lyrics [Bob Muller ] Edith Wars [Bob Muller ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 [Jenny Goodspeed ] Re: Edith Wars now vljc [Catherine McKay ] travelling journal [Kate ] Spoon of what? [littlebreen@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 03:51:45 EDT From: ROBMSTEEN@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 Hissing through the years Until last night, not being the most avid lyric-sheet peruser, I had been labouring under the impression, on Edith and the Kingpin, which is one of my my top five fave Jonis and which I have heard at least 1.75m times, that the line "Women he has taken/Grow old too soon" was in fact "Women he has taken/Though all too soon". I still prefer my original interpretation. Anyone out there heard the original demos of Hissing? Re-listening to the complete job last night reminded me the debt JM owes the musicians that, like Messrs Kay, Payne and Davis on Astral Weeks, transformed the bony blueprints into something absolutely unique. The extended fadeout to Edith and the Kingpin, and the way Boho Zone bleeds into Harry's House, struck me anew as utterly inspired. Cornish Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:46:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 ROBMSTEEN@aol.com wrote:Until last night, not being the most avid lyric-sheet peruser, I had been labouring under the impression, on Edith and the Kingpin, which is one of my my top five fave Jonis and which I have heard at least 1.75m times, that the line "Women he has taken/Grow old too soon" was in fact "Women he has taken/Though all too soon". I still prefer my original interpretation. No way! I totally thought it was 'Grow old too soon'. How funny. I think I'll keep singing it that way. I think it's a better lyric too. Jenny Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 - --- ROBMSTEEN@aol.com wrote: > Hissing through the years > > Until last night, not being the most avid > lyric-sheet peruser, I had been > labouring under the impression, on Edith and the > Kingpin, which is one of my my > top five fave Jonis and which I have heard at least > 1.75m times, that the > line "Women he has taken/Grow old too soon" was in > fact "Women he has > taken/Though all too soon". I still prefer my > original interpretation. > Women he has taken grow old too soon He tilts their tired faces Gently to the spoon vs Women he has taken, though all too soon, He tilts their tired faces Gently to the spoon I can't imagine Joni saying, "Women he has taken". She tends not to use those inverted Yoda-like sentences. In fact, when I first read your post, I thought you were telling us that it really WAS "though all too soon" and I almost had a heart attack. (Maybe it's because I've had three cups of coffee so far this morning - I've just reached my caffeine limit!) There are certainly Joni-lyrics that I've mis-heard but managed to make my own kind of sense out of them, e.g. "hoarse with travel fever" vs "porous with travel fever." (It makes sense to me that a person who is sick and has a fever would be hoarse.) There are others, but I can't think of them just now. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:16:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Edith lyrics Just to clarify, Rob was saying that he had mondegreened the "though all too soon" lyric. Joni's lyric is: "Women he has taken grow old too soon He tilts their tired faces Gently to the spoon" Which is the way, like you, that I've always heard it too. And either way works, but I would say that "grow old too soon" is more consistent with the line that follows and is more expressive. Anyway, it's the same with "leadfoot Melvin" from the same record, which I always sung as "liquid Melvin". Speaking of hissing summer lawns, mine is hissing at me for a cut. Bob NP: Kenny Wayne Sheperd, "Riverside" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Edith Wars But wouldn't the "Yoda Version" be: "Taken women he has, too soon old they grow Gently to the spoon, he tilts their tired faces so" As opposed to the "Wookie Version" which would be: "ARRRRROOOOOOO Rrrrrrrrrr HMMMMrrrrrrrrrrrrrr RARRRRRRRRR" etc etc Bob NP: Ryan Adams, "Harder Now That It's Over" - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 07:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jenny Goodspeed Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #175 oh geez, i misunderstood. (thanks bob). clearly i have not had enough caffeine this morning. jenny Catherine McKay wrote:--- ROBMSTEEN@aol.com wrote: > Hissing through the years > > Until last night, not being the most avid > lyric-sheet peruser, I had been > labouring under the impression, on Edith and the > Kingpin, which is one of my my > top five fave Jonis and which I have heard at least > 1.75m times, that the > line "Women he has taken/Grow old too soon" was in > fact "Women he has > taken/Though all too soon". I still prefer my > original interpretation. > Women he has taken grow old too soon He tilts their tired faces Gently to the spoon vs Women he has taken, though all too soon, He tilts their tired faces Gently to the spoon I can't imagine Joni saying, "Women he has taken". She tends not to use those inverted Yoda-like sentences. In fact, when I first read your post, I thought you were telling us that it really WAS "though all too soon" and I almost had a heart attack. (Maybe it's because I've had three cups of coffee so far this morning - I've just reached my caffeine limit!) There are certainly Joni-lyrics that I've mis-heard but managed to make my own kind of sense out of them, e.g. "hoarse with travel fever" vs "porous with travel fever." (It makes sense to me that a person who is sick and has a fever would be hoarse.) There are others, but I can't think of them just now. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 12:05:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Edith Wars now vljc - --- Bob Muller wrote: > She > tends not to use those inverted Yoda-like > sentences.> > > But wouldn't the "Yoda Version" be: > > "Taken women he has, too soon old they grow > Gently to the spoon, he tilts their tired faces so" > > As opposed to the "Wookie Version" which would be: > > "ARRRRROOOOOOO Rrrrrrrrrr HMMMMrrrrrrrrrrrrrr > RARRRRRRRRR" > > etc etc > Oh noooo! Don't let's start THAT! We're going to have to do Yoda rewrites of Joni songs! It reminds me of Grade 10 Latin class. I've realized that if you were to record one of my cat's growling, then slooooowwww it down, she would sound exactly like Chewin' Tabacca. My lawn isn't exactly hissing and right now it's pissing. The grass can't make up its mind. Parts of it area still brownish and spindly as a result of last week's drought. Other parts are flourishing. I don't know whether to mow it or not but, since I hate mowing lawns, maybe I'll just let it make up its mind first. Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 09:59:41 -0700 From: Kate Subject: travelling journal Remember when I sent out an invitation to add your name to the list of people willing to add to the travelling journal? Well, I followed its progress along all way, until now. The journal was doing great things; one friend said it was such a treasure that he kept it in his safe when he wasn't poring over it. I looked so forward to seeing it again! But of course I always knew that losing it was a possibility. No matter what, someone somewhere is enjoying it. That's some comfort. There are three names on the list who should have received it by now, but I can't get my email to go through, can't reach them by phone, and have sent a letter by snail mail that has not come back to me. Still, no luck. If you recognize (or own!) one of these names, can you please get in touch with me offlist? Suzanne Settle of Springfield Ohio (apparently has moved, my email doesn't go through, and when I phone a stranger answers) Chris Silvey St. Charles, Mo Christy Price Bullard, Texas Thanks for your help if you have any, and pardon me for sending an off-topic post. Kate http://xoetc.antville.org Who does she think she is Anaos Nin? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:36:08 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Spoon of what? Hi Gang, <<"Women he has taken grow old too soon He tilts their tired faces Gently to the spoon">> Perhaps a morbid and slightly trivial disctinction, but: I've always wondered whether the spoon was holding cocaine (those teensy jobbers that were so popular in the '70's -- anyone remember that McDonald's coffee stirrers were real popular in this regard until McDonald's got wind of this fact and "flattened" the little spoon at the end of the stirrer, ruining everything), or was it (the spoon, a real one) being used to cook heroin to be injected? Both ideas seem to fit into the concept of the Kingpin controlling his "girls" by keeping them addicted to drugs. Not a very chipper topic is it? Feel free to ignore... best, Walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #176 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)