From: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #160 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe onlyJMDL Digest Friday, June 3 2005 Volume 2005 : Number 160 ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? ["Sherelle Smith" ] Re: Joni in the dictionary [Bob Muller ] Re: New album to choose? [Parts of Yes ] Re: New album to choose? [Joseph Palis ] Joni's "jazz" albums ["Michael Flaherty" ] Summer reading: An impossibly gentle hand... [littlebreen@comcast.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:23:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? Oy break my heart everytime I hear about this show! .. to think of how I missed this one that came & was recorded/filmed in my town... my excuse was having just birthed my baby boy but oh I wished I had gone anyway... postpartum or not! Sherelle Smith wrote: > Hi there and welcome! > > I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light > because she has the > best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the > late Jaco Pastorius; on > keyboards, Lyle Mays, on drums and congas, Don > Alias; on saxophone, Michael > Brecker and last but not least, on guitar, Pat > Metheny! If you love any of > these musicians and artists then you should check > this CD out! That's my two > cents anyway! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 07:13:45 -0500 From: "Anne Sandstrom" Subject: RE: the French Ooh, I'm sorry to hear you haven't always been welcome as I was in Paris, Les. And Laurent, I'm sure what you say is true (after all, nothing's perfect). But I do have to say that my experience was just wonderful! I went with very high expectations, and found that they were met, and then some. Les wrote: Communication in Paris has been the biggest problem and I have (or at least had) reasonable secondary school french at my disposal. I make the effort and try to get it right. Outside Paris, my efforts are welcome. inside Paris?....oy, not good. Well, ok, so I majored in French in college. Still, I found it frustating that in Montreal, Quebec, and Brussels my efforts to speak French always resulted in the other person replying in English (which I always found rather insulting). In Paris, however, everyone replied in French. And when they discovered that I was from the U.S., a number of people complimented me on my French. Not one person resorted to English. So, on my trip, every glass of wine was superb, every meal was delicious, and everyone was very friendly. Lucky me... Anyway, I suspect that anyone going to JoniFest in France this summer will not be disappointed. (Especially since you're organizing it, Laurent!) lots of love, Anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:36:57 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? I actually can't imagine it! I probably would forget all the words watching them and listening to them play!!! (Ha! Ha!) There is a fellow here in the DC area I am hearing about who seems to be an incarnation of Jaco but with his own twist. I have heard a recording of him and was blown away. In fact, I am going to email his bandmate and see how things are going with the group! Sherelle >From: Catherine McKay >To: Sherelle Smith , boseanger@yahoo.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 18:09:17 -0400 (EDT) > > >--- Sherelle Smith wrote: > > > Hi there and welcome! > > > > I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light > > because she has the > > best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the > > late Jaco Pastorius; on > > keyboards, Lyle Mays, on drums and congas, Don > > Alias; on saxophone, Michael > > Brecker and last but not least, on guitar, Pat > > Metheny! If you love any of > > these musicians and artists then you should check > > this CD out! That's my two > > cents anyway! > > > > Sherelle > > > >That really is a dream band, isn't it! I mean, I knew >this stuff, but reading your post reminded me with a >great big, WOW! Can you imagine singing with THOSE >GUYS? > > >Catherine >Toronto >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:39:20 +0000 From: "Sherelle Smith" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? Mike, I have to agree with you that those are two of my favs as well...especially "Hissing". Our slang for that CD Jo is "HOSL". "Don't Interrupt the Sorrow" and "Edith and the Kingpin" are two of many that I love on that CD. I don't think there is a song up there that I don't like! Sherelle >From: Mike Friedman >To: "Sherelle Smith" >CC: boseanger@yahoo.com, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? >Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:14:13 -0700 > >Hey Jo: > >I have to put in $.02 for my faves.... > >Hejira (hands down my favorite Mitchell album) and Hissing of Summer >Lawnssssssssssssssssss... > >my old friend Terry calls 'Hissing,' "the best pop album ever made by >anyone." > > > >On Jun 1, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Sherelle Smith wrote: > >>Hi there and welcome! >> >>I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light because she has the >>best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the late Jaco Pastorius; on >>keyboards, Lyle Mays, on drums and congas, Don Alias; on saxophone, >>Michael Brecker and last but not least, on guitar, Pat Metheny! If you >>love any of these musicians and artists then you should check this CD >>out! That's my two cents anyway! >> >>Sherelle >> >>Jo Lar wrote: >> >>Hi everyone. I'ma new member at JMDL. I just got into Joni and I have 2 >>of her >>albums {C&S, FTR) and I love both of them, especially the former. I'm >>just glad >>to be apart of a place where I can talk about her. I, also, wanna know >>what next >>album should I get from her. :) >>Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site! >> > > >============= >"There used to be all those talk shows back in the '50s and '60s, when I >was on television a great deal. People would talk about many important >things, and you had some very good talkers. They're not allowed on now. Or >they're set loose in the Fox Zoo, in which you have a number of people who >pretend to be journalists but are really like animals. Each one has his >own noise--there's the donkey who brays, there's the pig who squeals. Each >one is a different animal in a zoo, making a characteristic noise. The >result is chaos, which is what is intended. They don't want the people to >know anything, and the people don't." >--Gore Vidal > >Mike Friedman >mike@pinataperspective.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:16:31 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Re: New Member/ What Next Album To Choose? On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 00:23:42 -0700 Sherelle Smith wrote: Hi there and welcome! > I am so, so notoriously partial to Shadows and Light because she has the best band in the world on the stage. On bass, the late Jaco Pastorius; I second the recommendations of starting with H, HoSL and S+L, and will add that if you love those albums go for Mingus which contains some beautiful singing from Joni and some of Jaco's most amazing bass work (but probably is not the best choice for your third purchase). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:56:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Joni in the dictionary While looking up a word at work in the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, I happened to notice that it includes not only the usual dictionary-type words, but also names of well-known people. Since I'm in a state of semi-boredom, combined with job burnout and extreme cynicism, I was looking for things other than my normal what-they-pays-me-to-do work, so I decided to check the name "Mitchell". Here's what I found: Mitchell 1. (born Roberta Joan Anderson) (b. 1943) Canadian singer and songwriter. Her many albums, often highly personal in their lyrics, reflect her move from a folk style to a fusion of folk, jazz and rock; her hit songs include such titles as "The Circle Game" and "Both Sides Now". - -- The Canadian Oxford Dictionary; Katherine Barber, Editor-in-Chief; Oxford University Press Canada, 1998. (Ironically, this book was printed in the USA) I do like the mention of "fusion of folk, jazz and rock." Catherine Toronto - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Muller Subject: Re: Joni in the dictionary Yeah, I think if you've got to present Joni in a nutshell that's not a bad take on it. I particularly like that the writer said that she started in a "folk style" as opposed to saying she was a folk singer or played 'folk music'. I could be wrong but when I think of folk music I think of singers playing singalongs like "Michael Row The Boat Ashore" and whatnot. I'm not an authority on the subject so I'm not sure if this is an accurate assessment, just my opinion. While some of Joni's songs are singalongs NOW, they weren't at the time when she presented them as original material. Bob NP: Jane's Addiction, "Everybody's Friend" Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:47:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Parts of Yes Subject: Re: New album to choose? Hi, Glad to hear there are still new fans of Joni "being born". I'm a fan of chronology so I would say actually go back to Joni's first album - Song from a Seagull, then "Clouds,", "Ladies of the Canyon," "Blue," then jump to "Miles of Aisles," (a wonderful live album!) since you have the two in between, then "Hissing of Summer Lawsn," and then "Hejira." I do not have the two "jazz" albums Joni did in the 1970's so I can't comment on them too much. After you get through the 1970's part of Joni's career, at that point I would still listen chronologically but I think the order matters less at that point, not that Joni stopped evolving, it's just that there was more of a mixture of styles on each album in the 80s and 90s. What do other people think? I mean, some songs on "Turbulent Indigo" I could have seen being on "Dog Eat Dog" or even "Chalk Mark..." perhaps not "Night Ride Home." Sean "Where some have found their paradise Others just come to harm" - Joni Mitchell, "Amelia" (1976) "It took an hour, maybe a day But once I really listened, the noise Just went away" - Liz Phair, "Stratford-On-Guy" (1993) "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here," - - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" "Take this Mute mouth Broken tongue. Now this Dark life Is shot through with light" - Suzanne Vega "Pilgrimage" (1990) "All I know of you is in my memory All I ask is you Remember me." - Suzanne Vega "Rosemary" (1998) "Honey help me out of this mess I'm a stranger to myself But don't reach for me, I'm too far away I don't wanna talk 'cuz there's nothing left to say" - - Fiona Apple "The Child is Gone" __________________________________ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 04:51:23 +0200 (CEST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: New album to choose? Wow, "Career Girls". I love this underrated Mike Leigh movie even if it was coming directly after the much heralded "Secrets and Lies" (which I also love without reservations). The late Katrin Cartlidge said this line with her no-nonsense way of spewing words in that mellifluous voice. Plus this movie also boasts of the musical scoring of "SEcrets and Lies" actress Marianne Jean-Baptiste. In my books, Mike Leigh can't do no wrong -- and his actors are always top-notch. Joseph in rainy Chapel Hill np: Tierney Sutton - "What'll I Do" from "Dancing in the Dark" Parts of Yes a icrit : "On a clear day, I bet you can see the class struggle from here," - - Katrin Cartlidge (Hannah) in Mike Leigh's "Career Girls" - --------------------------------- Dicouvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail : 1 Go d'espace de stockage pour vos mails, photos et vidios ! Criez votre Yahoo! Mail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 22:08:40 -0500 From: "Michael Flaherty" Subject: Joni's "jazz" albums On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:47:33 -0700 (PDT) I do not have the > two "jazz" albums Joni did in the 1970's so I can't > comment on them too much. As you obviously have and know everything else, I have to ask: why not? Just curious. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 03:24:14 +0000 From: littlebreen@comcast.net Subject: Summer reading: An impossibly gentle hand... Hi gang, An impossibly gentle hand to John Maguire, most famous for "Wicked" about the (not so) Wicked Witch of the West, and "Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister", which puts a new slant on Cinderella, now with "Mirror Mirror", which redoes Snow White and which I just finished. Yowsah! I love this guy, with his astonishing prose, his gripping central characters, dizzying shifts of perspective, astonishing psychological insights. All three of the fairy tale stories deal with some of the same issues. It's like reading David Copperfield (but much denser and economical than Dickens), watching Othello, looking at Picasso's "The Accordionist" with all of its fractured reality and smoke and, yes, mirrors -- heck, it's like listening to HOSL for the first time!!! The sentence that finally made me see the parallels was the wonderful "She held out her hand, a pretty delicate thing, pale as pounded leather" (although the character's name is not Scarlett but Lucrezia -- yes, that Lucrezia, it's set in Italy during the first few years of the 16th century) -- it's got beautiful, luscious sentences that sound like they could have come from a Joni song: "As if flowers might interrupt the flow of slow ire..." Okay, so it doesn't have rollin', rollin', rock'n'rollin', and HOSL doesn't have any murderous incestuous siblings (that I remember, and you'd think I would), but still, the parallels are amazing: In all three of the novels and in Joni's poetry: (1) No one is just one thing, nor is everyone who they seem to be. (2) Every picture -- every person -- has its shadows and it has its source of light. (3) Be careful what you wish for. (see Edith, Scarlett, or the lady with the hissing lawns...) (4) Speaking of which: Lawns aren't the only thing that can hiss, nor walls hum. (5) Some people are merciless observers of others, and of themselves, too; others don't have a clue. (6) Truth and beauty are evanescent, and are in the eye of the beholder. and so on and so forth. So -- highly recommended, but maybe not for the beach -- *I* can't read a more-or-less historical novel without a dictionary, an atlas, maybe a single-volume general encyclopedia, and that's just too much to lug around in my backpack. Fortunately, I bought the book on Sunday, started it on Monday and finished it yesterday, so I won't have to wreck my back. Now I just have to find something for the next 90 days... (Robert: "You don't need any more books!!!!!") Hope y'all are having a wonderful week -- the City of San Francisco has mayors from about 80 cities around the world in town for a conference on the greenification of cities, which is great, and I happen to live in a neighborhood that was ruined in the '60's by a raised highway that only was removed by a bad earthquake (1989) and then 15 years (!!!) of legal battles. But they've put in a lovely new boulevard with a park on the corner, where the scars of the fallen highway were just a year ago, so they're having a huge community breakfast a block from our apartment tomorrow morning, and all the mayors and their staves are invited. The Govuhnataw is supposed to be here tomorrow -- something I'm sure he is dreading, since he can't gag *all* of the citizens of the City, at least not in front of the all the nice foreigners, ha HA!. So if I can stand up tomorrow, I'm gonna go check it out. I'm not a heckler, but I would so like to see Ahnuldt squirm. Peace, all my jmdl bunnies -- Thor of Octavia Boulevard is loose! love, walt - -- Let the walls go tumbling down Falling on the ground And all the dogs go running free The wild and gentle dogs Kenneled in me ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2005 #160 ********************************* ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:onlyjoni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she? (http://www.siquomb.com/siquomb.cfm)